Need Help for Diplo Win

[vorlon_mi]

Some questions for lurkers:
How can I get my mainland cities to use the Incense on India? I've built a Harbor on both sides, but none of my French cities have access to Incense.

Where should I explore next? I know that there are other civs out there, but I haven't found them yet.

Other than military, what should I have my cities build? I almost have all of French cities have built libraries. Is there anything critical I need to build?

What should I research next? I'm thinking of going for The Sistine Chapel.

Hi Hawk! Here are my 2 gold pieces worth of advice ...

Trade route: Two part answer, from looking at the 150BC save.
First, you need to complete a harbor on the other island. Amiens
doesn't have a harbor, and the one in Dijon is not done yet.
Next, you need to be able to safely travel over *sea* tiles.
Normally, that has to wait for the discovery of Astronomy, but you
have the Great Lighthouse. That probably should suffice.

Exploring: With the GLighthouse, you can now cruise around the sea
tiles to the east of China and Japan, as well as some of the waters
just west of Bengal. I like to use the keypad keys, and follow the
little fingers of sea tiles, as they extend out into the ocean tiles.

Build Next: Military is good, even though PTW doesn't have unit support
under Republic. You will want settlers, to found more cities on India's
island. All the cities over there will be pretty corrupt, but you can
grow them to size 6 and hire scientists. You should be thinking about
a Forbidden Palace -- Dijon might be a good choice, so that you can
reduce the corruption on India's ^H^H^H^H your new island.
I always like building marketplaces in any city above size 5,
for the happiness multipliers. I almost always build harbors in coastal
cities, even corrupt ones, so that they can support themselves.
In your case, with so much water, you will want ships.

 

[Hawk Chieftain]

Turn 121 (130 BC)
Order restored in Delhi
Dijon-Harbor<Forbidden Palace (34 turns)
Battle of Jaipur- lose 2 Horses, redline Indian Spear
Delhi workers irrigate near lake
Unload 2 workers into India
Send 2 Mace towards Bombay, 1 Mace toward Delhi
41 gold, +1gpt

Turn 122 (110 BC)
Paris- Mace<Mace (2 turns)
Besancon-Marketplace<Aqueduct (6 turns)
Amiens- Barracks<Mace (7 turns)
Chartres- Mace<Harbor (7 turns)
Aztecs have built The Colossus
Battle of Bombay- Mace kill 2 Indian Spears
Bombay is captured. Start Granary (30 turns)
Galley discovers land E of Korea
44 gold, +6gpt

Turn 123 (90BC)
Orleans- Galley<Courthouse (8 turns)
Marseilles-Mace<Mace (4 turns)
Horse is killed at Jaipur
Send 1 Settler & 3 Mace onto Galleys
Rush Library at Rouen for 32 gold
18 gold, +9gpt

Turn 124 (70 BC)
Paris- Mace<Mace (2 turns)
Bangalore riots. Buy a clown
Rouen- Library<Marketplace (25 turns)
Turn 2 citizens at Rouen into geeks
Grenoble riots. Buy 2 clowns
Galley is lost on W side of Korea
Replace mine with irrigation N of Bangalore
Unload Settler & 3 Mace into India

Turn 125 (50 BC)
Delhi-Barracks<Library (8 turns)
Orleans riots. Buy a Taxman & Clown
Tours- Courthouse<Temple (4 turns)
Amiens riots. Send a Horse to Garrison
Korea has landed Warrior & Settler onto India
34 gold, +7gpt

Turn 126 (30 BC)
Paris, Delhi & Amiens riots. Buy a clown.
Persians have built The Pyramids
Unload 2 workers into India

Turn 127 (10 BC)
Order restored in Paris, Delhi, & Amiens
Paris- Mace<Mace (2 turns)
Marseilles- Mace<Mace (3 turns)
Mace kills Indian Spear in Jaipur
Galley finds island E of Korea
46 gold, +2gpt

Turn 128 (10 AD)
Besancon- Aqueduct<Courthouse (5 turns)
Babylonians have finished The Oracle
Cherbourg founded. Start Pike (15 turns)
Indian Archer kills Mace at Jaipur
Galley discovers land N of India
Dijon workers start chop on forest

Turn 129 (30 AD)
Delhi riots. Buy a taxman.
Tours- Temple<Galley (2 turns)
Chartres- Harbor<Aqueduct (9 turns)
Avignon- Aqueduct<Mace (4 turns)
Mace kills Barb Warrior
Unload 2 Mace into India
Mace kills 2 Indian Spears, Karchie is destroyed.
Switch Marseilles to Settler (1 turn)
58 gold, +6gpt
Monotheism in 5 turns

Turn 130 (50AD)
Indian Archer kills Horse near Jaipur
Mace kills Barb Horse
Dijon riots. Buy a geek.
Amiens- Mace<Library (10 turns)
Marseilles- Settler<Courthouse

Turn 131 (70 AD)
Paris- Mace<Mace (2 turns)
Lyons- Marketplace<Aqueduct (13 turns)
Amiens riots. Buy a taxman.
Tours- Galley<Galley (2 turns)
Unload 2 Mace into India
Bombay workers irrigate SE of town
Mace kills Barb Warrior, takes 25 gold
Mace kills Indian Spear at Jaipur
Increase Science to 30%, Monotheism in 2 turns
Trade Polytheism to Japan for WM & 5 gold
107 gold, -2gpt

Turn 132 (90 AD)
Orleans- Courthouse<Temple (4 turns)
Marseilles riots. Buy a taxman.
Galley is lost
Workers finish road NW of Bombay
Mace cross river towards Lahore

Turn 133 (110 AD)
Koreans offer to swap WM, OK
Monotheism done. Start Theology (11 turns)
Besancon- Courthouse<Temple (4 turns)
Avignon- Mace<Temple (6 turns)
Tours- Galley<Galley (2 turns)
Paris- Mace<Cathedral (6 turns)
Another Galley is lost
Send Settler & Worker in Galley
Discover an island NW of India

Turn 134 (130 AD)
Bangalore riots. Buy a clown.
Unload Settler & Worker NW of Dijon
Send Horse to protect them
Move 3 Cats out of Calcutta

Turn 135 (150 AD)
Marseilles riots. Buy a clown.
Calcutta- Granary<Library (40 turns)
Another Galley lost
Mace kills Indian Archer near Lahore
Battle of Lahore- 3 Indian Spears killed, 1 Mace lost
Lahore is captured plus 5 workers, Start Granary (30 turns)
Poitiers founded. Start Spear (10 turns)
Switch Tours to Settler (2 turns)
Battle of Jaipur- 1 Sword lost, killed 1 Indian Spear
Jaipur is destroyed, 5 gold taken
107 gold, +5gpt

Turn 136 (170 AD)
Orleans- Temple<Cathedral (9 turns)
Tours riots. Buy 2 Taxmen
Grenoble riots. Buy a clown
Start chop SE of Lahore
Move 3 Cats N of Bombay
Unload 2 Mace into India
Rush Courthouse at Marseilles for 64 gold
48 gold, +8gpt

Turn 137 (190 AD)
Delhi- Library<Temple (8 turns)
Orleans riots. Buy a clown.
Marseilles- Courthouse<Temple (6 turns)
Besancon- Temple<Cathedral (9 turns)
Lahore riots. Buy a geek.
Rouen- Marketplace<Temple (8 turns)
Galley lost
Killed Indian Spear, captured Settler, 1 Mace lost

Turn 138 (210 AD)
Trade Monotheism to Chinese for WM & 20 gold
Delhi riots. Buy a clown.
Bangalore- Granary<Library (40 turns)
Chartres- Aqueduct<Temple (5 turns)
Tours- Settler<Settler (2 turns)
Send Mace & Horse up to Bengal
Galley is lost

Turn 139 (230 AD)
Paris- Cathedral<Colosseum (4 turns)
Avignon riots. Buy 2 taxmen.
Cherbourg- Pike<Granary (15 turns)
Battle of Bengal- Mace killed Indian Spear, was redlined
Move 2 Mace N from Bombay

Turn 140 (250 AD)
Poitiers riots. Buy a clown.
Tours- Settler<Cathedral (10 turns)
Battle of Bengal- Mace kills Indian Spear
Bengal is destroyed, 11 gold taken
The Indians are finished.
Trade Horses to Japan for WM & 7 gold
Send 3 Galleys N
Send Settler & Mace onto Galley
110 gold, -1gpt
Theology in 3 turns

 

[Queen of Swords]

Wow... eight sources of incense.

You might want to put a couple of cities on that uninhabited island. One next to the cow and the inland lake, and one to grab the iron. I hate it when sources of iron mysteriously dry up.

 

[Hawk Chieftain]

There is 1 Korean city on what was India, do I go to war w/Korea to take that city, or do I just surround that city, & try to take the city w/my culture?
Once I finish Theology, I was thinking of starting the Sistine Chapel in Paris. What tech should I start next?
Out of the 3 civs that I know, which ones should become friends with, and who should be my enemy?

 

[Queen of Swords]

There is 1 Korean city on what was India, do I go to war w/Korea to take that city, or do I just surround that city, & try to take the city w/my culture?

Depends on whether your goal is military conquest or a more peaceful approach. Also depends on whether that Korean city is hogging some resource or luxury that you really need.

Once I finish Theology, I was thinking of starting the Sistine Chapel in Paris. What tech should I start next?

I always research the lower branch of the tech tree (engineering, invention, gunpowder, chemistry) because often the AIs don't research it and I'm usually racing towards Military Tradition, to conquer another civ.

But when I played for a 20K win on Monarch (won yesterday), I went straight for Education and Music Theory to get Bach's cathedral.

So it depends on your long-term plan.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

If what you want is a diplo win, drive to education. You want libraries and unis so you can drive your research faster. After that, it may make sense to drive to astronomy so you can get newtons.

 

[Hawk Chieftain]

My long-range plans are to win diplomatically. So, I'll go for Education, then Astronomy.
The Korean city doesn't have any resource, so I'll just let it be.

 

[Hawk Chieftain]

Turn 141 (260 AD)
We Love The Saint Day in many towns
Avignon- Temple<Cathedral (40 turns)
Palace expands
Korea has built The Great Wall
Replace mine with irrigation near Lahore
Fire a geek at Lahore
Fire a clown at Poitiers, Bombay, Paris, Orleans, Besancon, Chartres, Marseilles & Calcutta
Fired 2 clowns at Bangalore & Avignon
Trade Incense, WM, & 100 gold to Korea for Silks
Trade The Republic to Japan for WM & 1 gold
10 gold, +11gpt

Turn 142 (270 AD)
Unload Settler & Mace into India
Defeat a Barb Galley

Turn 143 (280 AD)
Theology is done. Start Education (10 turns)
Paris- Colosseum<The Sistine Chapel (15 turns)
Marseilles- Temple<Aqueduct (9 turns)
Chartres- Temple<Cathedral (14 turns)
Grenoble- Library<Aqueduct (17 turns)
Poitiers- Spear<Temple (10 turns)
Mace kills Barb Warrior, collects 25 gold

Turn 144 (290 AD)
Delhi- Temple<Settler (3 turns)
Lyons- Aqueduct<Temple (8 turns)
Amiens- Library<Aqueduct (13 turns)
Move Galleys N & W from uncolonized island

Turn 145 (300 AD)
Besancon- Cathedral<Galley (2 turns)
Rouen- Temple<Cathedral (20 turns)
Galley discovers the Germans
Trade contact w/Koreans to Germany for WM & 110 gold
Trade contact w/Chinese to Germany for Territory Map & 6 gold (all they have)
Gift Writing to Germans, they are polite
211 gold, +24 gpt

Turn 146 (310 AD)
Germans ask us to leave, we comply
Delhi- Settler<Settler (2 turns)
Fired a geek at Dijon
Rush an Aqueduct at Amiens for 168 gold
Unload a Settler into India

Turn 147 (320 AD)
China unloads Spear & Settler near what was Jaipur
Orleans- Cathedral<Galley (2 turns)
Lahore- Granary<Library (40 turns)
Amiens- Aqueduct<Temple (8 turns)
Palace expands
Lost Galley
Besancon-Galley<Galley (2 turns)
Increase Science to 40%, Education in 4 turns
94 gold, +1gpt

Turn 148 (330 AD)
Korea unloads Spear & Settler near what was Jaipur
Tours- Cathedral<Pike (2 turns)
Delhi- Settler<Cathedral (10 turns)
Toulouse founded right next to Pyongsong
Library started (20 turns)

Turn 149 (340 AD)
Japan unloads Warrior & Settler onto N India
Bombay- Granary<Library (20 turns)
Besancon- Galley<Galley (2 turns)
Orleans- Galley<Galley (2 turns)
Declare war on Japan
Mace kills Japanese Warrior, take 2 workers
Trade Lit to Germany for WM & 4 gold

Turn 150 (350 AD)
Lyons- Temple<Cathedral (16 turns)
Poitiers- Temple<Library (8 turns)
Tours- Pike<Pike (2 turns)
China has founded Hangchow on Indian continent
Bayonne founded. Start Temple (30 turns)
Strasbourg founded. Start Library (40 turns)
Rush Library at Bangalore for 92 gold
8 gold, +5 gpt

Turn 151 (360 AD)
Education done. Start Astronomy (7 turns)
Marseilles- Aqueduct<Cathedral (12 turns)
Bangalore- Library<Aqueduct (25 turns)
Dijon- Forbidden Palace<Aqueduct (9 turns)
Cherbourg- Granary<Settler (4 turns)
Orleans- Galley<University (10 turns)
Besancon- Galley<University (8 turns)
Defeat a Japanese Galley
Brest founded. Start Library (20 turns)
Fire a clown at Besancon
Hire a clown at Chartres

Turn 152 (370 AD)
Galley is Korean territory, they tell us to leave, we comply
Amiens- Temple<Cathedral (8 turns)
Tours- Pike<University (10 turns)

Turn 153 (380 AD)
Korean Spear & Settler into our territory, tell them to leave
Chartres- Cathedral<University (12 turns)
Load Pike & 3 workers onto Galleys
Rush Settler at Cherbourg for 28 gold
41 gold, +30gpt

Turn 154 (390 AD)
Defeat 2 Barb Galleys
Avignon- Cathedral<University (15 turns)
Cherbourg- Settler<Library (20 turns)
Unload Pike & 3 workers into India
Rush a Library at Lahore for 64 gold
7 gold, +30gpt

Turn 155 (400 AD)
Lahore- Library<Temple (8 turns)
Bordeaux founded. Start Temple (15 turns)
Tell Korea to leave my territory or else, they leave

Turn 156 (410 AD)
Japan wants to talk. Trade Contact w/Germans for 16 gold & peace.
Delhi- Cathedral<Settler (2 turns)
Move 2 Galleys around uncolonized island

Turn 157 (420 AD)
Astronomy is done. Start Banking (5 turns)
Hire 2 clowns at Amiens
Sistine Chapel is done at Paris. Start University (4 turns)
Bombay- Library<Temple (5 turns)
Besancon- University<Copernicus’s Observatory (12 turns)
Poitiers- Library<Cathedral (10 turns)
Tell Korea to leave or else, they comply
Gift Math to Germans, they are polite
Trade Theology to China for Monarchy, WM, 1gpt, & 13 gold
Trade Monarchy to Japan for 8 gold

Turn 158 (430 AD)
Delhi- Settler<Settler (2 turns)
Rush Aqueduct at Bangalore for 144 gold
44 gold, +45gpt

Turn 159 (440 AD)
Bangalore- Aqueduct<Temple (15 turns)
Dijon- Aqueduct<Temple (4 turns)
Galley is lost
Discover Persians. They are behind Lit, Currency, Monarchy, & Construction.
Trade Contact w/Koreans to Persia for Contact w/Egyptians
Trade Contact w/Chinese to Persia for contact w/the Zulu
Trade Contact w/Egyptians to Japan for WM & 10 gold
Gift Contact w/Persians to Japan, they are now Cautious
Trade Contact w/Egyptians to Korea for 4 gold
Trade Contact w/Egyptians to Germany for WM
Trade Contact w/Egyptians to China for 18 gold
Trade Lit to Egypt for Territory Map & 11 gold
Trade Contact w/Koreans to the Zulu for WM & 8 gold

Turn 160 (450 AD)
Delhi-Settler<Settler (2 turns)
185 gold, +50gpt
Banking in 2 turns

 

[Queen of Swords]

What is with the luxury distribution? First Indialand has eight incense and now Egyptland has seven spices. Reminds me of the time I picked a 30% land archipelago map with wet conditions, just to see what that was like, and I got a midget jungle-overgrown island with seven silks on it.

 

[Hawk Chieftain]

Turn 161 (460 AD)
Paris- University<The Hanging Gardens (6 turns)
Orleans- University<Colosseum (6 turns)
Tours- University<Settler (2 turns)
Marseilles-Cathedral<University (10 turns)
Moved Science to 10%, Banking in 1 turn
235 gold, +171 gpt

Turn 162 (470 AD)
Korean trade for Silks expires. Traded Incense & Theology for Silk
Banking is done. Start Economics (4 turns)
Bombay- Temple<Cathedral (10 turns)
Lahore- Temple<Aqueduct (10 turns)
Dijon- Temple<Library (4 turns)
Amiens- Cathedral<Marketplace (10 turns)
Delhi- Settler<Settler (2 turns)
Unloaded Pike into India
Trade The Republic to Zulus for WM & 4 gold
Trade Education to China for WM & 20 gold
430 gold, -9 gpt

Turn 163 (480 AD)
Chartres- University<Courthouse (4 turns)
Tours- Settler<Bank (7 turns)
Calcutta- Library<Temple (8 turns)
Toulouse- Library<Temple (8 turns)
Japan has built The Great Library
Unload Pike & Settler onto uncolonized island
Rushed Aqueduct at Lahore for 180 gold
242 gold, -10gpt

Turn 164 (490 AD)
Lahore- Aqueduct<Courthouse (8 turns)
Korea has completed The Hanging Gardens
Delhi- Settler<University (10 turns)
Switch Paris to Bank (1 turn)
Rennes founded. Popped goody hut, got 50 gold. Start Granary (30 turns)
Gift Horses to Japan, they are now Polite
Gift Lit to Zulus, they are still Annoyed
Gift The Republic to Germany, they are now Polite
282 gold, -11 gpt

Turn 165 (500 AD)
Paris- Bank<Worker (1 turn)
Lyons- Cathedral<University (20 turns)
Rouen- Cathedral<University (25 turns)
Cherbourg- Library<Aqueduct (13 turns)
Strasbourg- Library<Temple (8 turns)
Brest- Library<Granary (8 turns)
Palace expands
Discover the Vikings. Trade contact w/Egypt & Persia for WM & 220 gold
Gift Lit to Vikings, they are now Polite
Lower Science to 10%, Econ in 1 turn
Fire 2 clowns at Amiens & Lyons, fire 1 clown at Avignon, Chartres & Marseilles
Hire a clown at Dijon
491 gold, +213 gpt

Turn 166 (510 AD)
Econ is done. Start Invention (4 turns) Science increased to 30%
Avignon- University<Courthouse (4 turns)
Dijon- Library<Cathedral (8 turns)
Paris- Worker<Smith’s Trading Company (13 turns)
Trade contact w/Vikings to Korea for WM & 15 gold
Gift Monarchy to Zulus, they are now Polite
Trade Construction to Egypt for WM & 2 gold
Trade The Republic to the Vikings for WM & 12 gold
733 gold, +113 gpt

Turn 167 (520 AD)
Orleans- Colosseum<Bank (8 turns)
Chartres- Courthouse<Marketplace (4 turns)
Poitiers- Library<Granary (5 turns)
Grenoble- Aqueduct<Harbor (20 turns)
Unloaded Pike & Settler onto island
Increased luxury to 20%
Rush Temple at Bordeaux for 24 gold
Rush Temple at Bayonne for 52 gold
Rush University at Rouen for 368 gold
402 gold, +62 gpt

Turn 168 (530 AD)
Many We Love The Saint Days
Copernicus’s Observatory is finished. Start Bank in Besancon (4 turns)
Rouen- University<Courthouse (10 turns)
Bayonne- Temple<Granary (30 turns)
Bordeaux- Temple<Library (40 turns)
Palace expands
Sun Tzu’s built in Korea
464 gold, +60 gpt

Turn 169 (540 AD)
Amiens- Marketplace<University (12 turns)
Toulouse- Temple<Granary (10 turns)
Unload 2 Settlers onto island
Lower Science to 10%, Invention in 1 turn
Rush Temple at Bangalore for 40 gold
Rush Library at Bordeaux for 156 gold
328 gold, +175 gold

Turn 170 (550 AD)
Invention done. Start Gunpowder (4 turns). Raise Science to 30%
Bombay- Cathedral<University (9 turns)
Marseilles- University<Marketplace (5 turns)
Bangalore- Temple<Cathedral (40 turns)
Avignon- Courthouse<Bank (7 turns)
Lahore- Courthouse<Cathedral (12 turns)
Bordeaux- Library<Cathedral (80 turns)
Hangchow defect to us. Start Granary (30 turns)
Reims founded. Start Spear (10 turns)
New Paris founded. Start Granary (30 turns)

Turn 171 (560 AD)
Tours- Bank<Leo’s Workshop (28 turns)
Chartres- Marketplace<Bank (6 turns)
Calcutta-Temple<Courthouse (10 turns)
Palace expands
Settler joins Toulouse, now size 4
Rush Courthouse at Rouen for 112 gold
459 gold, +83gpt

Turn 172 (570 AD)
Delhi- University<Marketplace (4 turns)
Besancon- Bank<Caravel (1 turn)
Poitiers- Granary<Courthouse (7 turns)
Rouen- Courthouse<Colosseum (12 turns)
Palace expands

Turn 173 (580 AD)
Strasbourg- Temple<Courthouse (10 turns)
Brest- Granary<Temple (6 turns)
Besancon-Caravel<Caravel (1 turn)
New Orleans founded. Start Granary (30 turns)
Decrease Science to 10%
Rush Granary at Rennes for 84 gold
Rush Granary at New Paris for 108 gold
438 gold, +100gpt

Turn 174 (590 AD)
Gunpowder is done. Start Chemistry (4 turns) Science up to 30%
Trade Education to Korea for WM & 40 gold
Trade Incense to Japan for 2gpt
Trade Contact w/the Vikings to the Zulu for WM & 1 gold
Trade Contact w/the Germans to the Vikings for WM & 5 gold
Orleans- Bank<Caravel (2 turns)
Dijon- Cathedral<University (10 turns)
Rennes- Granary<Temple (30 turns)
New Paris- Granary<Temple (30 turns)
Besancon- Caravel<Caravel (1 turn)
Rush Cathedral at Bangalore for 288 gold
Rush Aqueduct at Cherbourg for 56 gold
Rush Granary at Bayonne for 88 gold
263 gold, +99gpt

Turn 175 (600 AD)
Korea wants to swap WM, rejected
Marseilles- Marketplace<Bank (7 turns)
Bangalore- Cathedral<Courthouse (20 turns)
Cherbourg- Aqueduct<Temple (6 turns)
Toulouse- Granary<Cathedral (20 turns)
Bayonne- Granary<Library (10 turns)
Besancon- Caravel<Caravel (1 turn)

Turn 176 (610 AD)
Delhi- Marketplace<Courthouse (3 turns)
Orleans- Caravel<Caravel (2 turns)
Besancon- Caravel<Caravel (1 turn)
2 Caravels lost
Rush Granary at New Orleans for 108 gold
355 gold, +108gpt

Turn 177 (620 AD)
Trade Gunpowder to China for WM & 17 gold
Chartres- Bank<Wealth
Avignon- Bank<Wealth
Brest- Temple<Courthouse (8 turns)
New Orleans- Granary<Temple (30 turns)
Besancon- Caravel<Caravel (1 turn)

Turn 178 (630 AD)
Galley defeats Barb Galley
Chemistry is done. Start Physics (4 turns) Science now at 40%
Smith’s Trading Company is done. Paris is on Wealth
Orleans- Caravel<Caravel (2 turns)
Besancon-Caravel<Caravel (1 turn)
Rush University at Lyons for 96 gold
Rush Cathedral at Toulouse for 240 gold
268 gold, +86gpt

Turn 179 (640 AD)
Delhi- Courthouse<Bank (5 turns)
Bombay- University<Courthouse (4 turns)
Lyons- University<Courthouse (7 turns)
Poitiers- Courthouse<University (15 turns)
Amiens- University<Courthouse (4 turns)
Toulouse- Cathedral<University (34 turns)
Besancon- Caravel<Wealth
Trade Invention to Japan for WM, 1 gold, & 4gpt
Trade Incense to China for 4gpt
Trade Construction to Germany for WM
Trade Currency to Vikings for WM

Turn 180 (650 AD)
Orleans- Caravel<Caravel (2 turns)
Rheims- Spear<Granary (30 turns)
Physics in 2 turns

 

[AutomatedTeller]

I'm sure there is a reason that I don't understand...
but why are 4 of your core cities on wealth, and have warriors sitting on them?

you probably should disband the warriors and start making units or improvements or wonder prebuilds or *something*

Having 4 of your least corrupt cities making nothing is putting a serious drain on your civ - unless I am missing something.

 

[Hawk Chieftain]

I have some cities that are in my main core on Wealth b/c there doesn't seem anything for them to build except Settler, Worker, and military units. I don't need any Settlers b/c I've expanded as far as I can. I think I have enough Workers. And, I don't need more military units b/c I don't plan on going to war w/anyone in the near future.
What do you think I should build? Why would building Wealth put a serious drain on my civ? Should I upgrade my Warriors or disband them?

 

[AutomatedTeller]

I would start building better units and disbanding the old ones. You may not want to go to war anytime soon... but if you do, you want the best units you can have - besides, muskets look cooler than warriors

What I mean by a drain is that you aren't doing anything with the very cities that are best able to do something, and you have obsolete units - many, many obsolete units.

I would build a barracks and immediately start building the best units out there

Alternately, build a wonder, or if there aren't any, start a prebuild - at least one of those can be building a palace which can be flipped to a wonder by the time you get to it.

I'm not convinced you have enough workers - why? because you have no workers improving the island with Rheims on it. Those cities should probably be making workers, rather than temples and granaries.

And I'm not sure why you think you have expanded enough - maybe I'm wrong, but you don't seem to have a lot of jungle, and jungle is a prime location for coal, which you are going to want for rails.

Also remember - techs in the industrial age are more expensive than in the middle ages - you are cranking through fairly expensive ones with no problem, of course, but they start jumping - you may want to get more and more towns out there to be specialist farms.

have you met everyone yet? I'm not sure from looking at the map.

 

[vorlon_mi]

Hi Hawk,

Sorry if some of this seems obvious, but here are some thoughts.

Your goal for this game is a diplomatic victory, so one usually builds the UN
and is elected Sec'y General. This requires that the game last all the way
into Modern Times, since the UN can't be built until you've discovered Fission.

To survive (and thrive!) into Modern Times, you will need a reasonably
strong military, both to deter aggression and to take the resources that
you need. You will also want to invest in your science infrastructure,
libraries and universities, in the cities near your palace and FP.
As AT pointed out, the techs are going to get more expensive, so you will
need more beakers per turn.
In the cities that are further from your palace or FP, build roads, irrigate,
and change the extra citizens to scientists.

How to actually win the election? Figure out who your rival is likely to be,
and suck up to the rest of the Civs. Some players will declare war
on the #2 civ just before completing the UN, and bribe the other civs
into military alliances against #2, thus ensuring their vote for you!
With your ample supply of incense, you should be able to buy the votes
by using that as an enticement.

OK, so that's your long-term goal. What about the short-term?
First, resources. You have your own sources of iron, horses and saltpeter.
But your marketplaces can't really kick up the happiness until you get
a *variety* of luxuries, not just incense. Take a look at Egypt.
Their eastern island (with Byblos, El-Amarna, Alexandria) is covered
with jungle and has two spices. And it is a short jaunt NW from your
Rheims island, given that you have the Great Lighthouse.
Consider invading this island, and taking those spices.

Japan and Zululand may not survive until Modern Times to vote for you.
Persia will probably take out Shaka, and either China or Korea will take out
Japan. Your rival is likely to be Persia or the Vikings, since each of them
has a healthy start. Persia has 16 cities, with 77 pop and controls 291
tiles, while the Vikings have 15 cities, with 50 pop and controls 236 tiles.
(Numbers thanks to CivAssist II!) Keep an eye on Persia, since they are
close to Egypt, and may also want to take the spices.

There are at least two more civs out there ... Babylon built the Oracle,
and the Aztecs built the Colossus. Depending on the sizes of their islands,
they might also contend for #2.

What to build? Ensure that all your coastal towns have harbors,
to increase food production and multiply your trade routes.
Upgrade your galleys to caravels, and start ferrying workers up to
Rheims island. The cities on that island aren't benefiting from your
luxury because they aren't connected to your trade network yet.
Use your productive cities to build knights, and start moving them by ship
to Rheims Island. On the former Indian island, you could squeeze in a city
or two along the river, if you like.

Use your cash to upgrade your swords to MedInf, and your Horsemen
to Knights. You will want a few barracks on the former Indian island,
and at least one on Rheims Island. The AI is terrible at naval invasions,
so when you start a war, you will face a pretty weak counter-invasion.
Consider making catapults in some partially-corrupt cities, which can be
later upgraded to cannons and artillery. Make lots of caravels, and
find all the little islands. Put cities on as many as you can, give them
harbors, and expand your trade net.

The AI will probably go nuts in the Industrial Ages, fighting each other.
Have some settlers ready to settle in the gaps that they leave, so that
you can grab luxury resources without much bloodshed.

You can't trade with most of the AI, because you (and they) can't
cross oceans safely. So, researching towards magnetism and navigation
will help your international trade. Make friends by selling them Astronomy
since you have already completed Copernicus.

 

[Queen of Swords]

But your marketplaces can't really kick up the happiness until you get a *variety* of luxuries, not just incense.

Yes, the marketplace gives you one happy face for the first and second luxury (in other words, doing nothing by themselves to keep the citizens happy) and two happy faces per luxury for the third and fourth luxuries. Three or four happy faces thereafter.

 

[Hawk Chieftain]

Turn 181 (660 AD)
Switch Paris from Wealth to Barracks (1 turn)
Switch Besancon from Wealth to Caravel (1 turn)
Switch Avignon from Wealth to Barracks (2 turns)
Switch Chartres from Wealth to Barracks (2 turns)
Upgrade Warrior at Marseilles to Mace for 30 gold
Paris- Barracks<Musketeer (2 turns)
Calcutta- Courthouse<Cathedral (16 turns)
Cherbourg- Temple<Marketplace (8 turns)
Besancon- Caravel<Caravel (1 turn)
Lower Science to 10%, Physics in 1 turn
Trade Astro to Korea for WM & 30 gold
Trade Astro to Japan for 12 gold
Trade Astro to China for WM, 7gpt, & 20 gold
Trade Feudalism to Germany for WM
552 gold, +292gpt

Turn 182 (670 AD)
The Silk trade I had w/Korea expired. Traded Incense & Iron for Silk
Increase Science up to 30%. Physics is done. Start Navigation (4 turns)
Marseilles- Bank<Musketeer (3 turns)
Chartres- Barracks<Musketeer (3 turns)
Avignon- Barracks<Musketeer (3 turns)
Lahore- Cathedral<Marketplace (7 turns)
Strasbourg- Courthouse<Aqueduct (9 turns)
Orleans- Caravel<Worker (1 turn)
Besancon- Caravel<Barracks (1 turn)
Rush Aqueduct at Strasbourg for 400 gold
Rush Harbor at Grenoble for 40 gold
Rush Courthouse at Lyons for 92 gold
312 gold, +152gpt

Turn 183 (680 AD)
Bombay- Courthouse<Marketplace (4 turns)
Lyons- Courthouse<Harbor (7 turns)
Besancon- Barracks<Worker (1 turn)
Grenoble- Harbor<Marketplace (25 turns)
Amiens- Courthouse<Harbor (4 turns)
Strasbourg- Aqueduct<Harbor (7 turns)
Paris- Musketeer<Worker (1 turn)
Rush Temple at Rennes for 84 gold
Rush Temple at New Paris for 84 gold

Turn 184 (690 AD)
Delhi- Bank<Worker (1 turn)
Rouen- Colosseum<Harbor (8 turns)
Dijon- University<Marketplace (5 turns)
Rennes- Temple<Harbor (40 turns)
New Paris- Temple<Harbor (40 turns)
Orleans- Worker<Barracks (2 turns)
Paris- Worker<Musketeer (2 turns)
Besancon- Worker<Horse (1 turn)
Upgrade Galley to Caravel at Marseilles & Besancon for 10 gold
Upgrade 2 Warriors to Mace at Paris for 30 gold each
Upgrade 1 Warrior to Mace at Chartres for 30 gold
338 gold, +146 gpt

Turn 185 (700 AD)
Bayonne- Library<Harbor (10 turns)
Brest- Courthouse<Cathedral (12 turns)
Besancon- Horse<Worker (1 turn)
Chartres- Musket<Worker (1 turn)
Avignon- Musket<Cat (1 turn)
Marseilles- Musket<Musket (3 turns)
Delhi- Worker<Worker (1 turn)
Unload Musket & Mace into India
Lower Science to 10%. Navigation still in 1 turn
Rush Granary in Hangchow for 60 gold
Rush Temple in New Orleans for 88 gold

Turn 186 (710 AD)
Navigation is done. Start Chivalry (4 turns) Science at 20%
Orleans- Barracks<Caravel (2 turns)
Hangchow- Granary<Harbor (40 turns)
New Orleans- Temple<Harbor (40 turns)
Avignon- Cat<Magellan’s Voyage (16 turns)
Besancon- Worker<Caravel (1 turn)
Upgrade Galley at Marseilles to Caravel for 10 gold
Unload 2 Workers & Musket into India
Delhi- Worker<Worker (1 turn)
Rush Harbor at Strasbourg for 88 gold
Rush Marketplace at Grenoble for 176 gold
358 gold, +205gpt

Turn 187 (720 AD)
Bombay- Marketplace<Bank (7 turns)
Grenoble- Marketplace<University (50 turns)
Amiens- Harbor- Bank (8 turns)
Strasbourg- Harbor<Marketplace (9 turns)
Chartres- Worker<Caravel (2 turns)
Besancon- Caravel<Horse (1 turn)
Upgrade Warrior to Mace in Avignon for 30 gold
Delhi- Worker<Musket (2 turns)
Upgrade Galley to Caravel in Strasbourg for 10 gold
Upgrade Galley to Caravel in Marseilles for 10 gold
Upgrade Warrior to Mace in Tours & Besancon for 30 gold each
Upgrade 2 Warriors to Mace in Orleans for 30 gold each
Trade Banking to Korea for WM & 18 gold
Trade Incense & Theology to Persia for Ivory
Trade Horses to Zulu for 11 gold & WM
Trade Engineering to Egypt for WM & 10 gold
Trade Banking to China for WM, 16 gold, & 7gpt
Trade Wines to Vikings for Incense, Feudalism, & Monotheism
Rush Cathedral in Bordeaux for 160 gold
288 gold, +221gpt

Turn 188 (730 AD)
Lahore- Marketplace <Harbor (5 turns)
Bordeaux- Cathedral<Granary (10 turns)
Orleans- Caravel<Horse (2 turns)
Besancon- Horse<Caravel (1 turn)
Paris- Musket<Mace (1 turn)
Marseilles- Musket<Worker (1 turn)
New Paris riots. Buy a taxman
Unload 2 Muskets & 1 Horse into India
Fire a clown at Avignon
Rush University at Toulouse for 292 gold
217 gold, +227gpt

Turn 189 (740 AD)
Dijon- Marketplace<Bank (8 turns)
Cherbourg- Marketplace<Harbor (6 turns)
Toulouse- University<Courthouse (14 turns)
Paris- Mace<Musket (2 turns)
Besancon- Caravel<Worker (1 turn)
Chartres- Caravel<Musket (2 turns)
Dijon- Musket<Settler (1 turn)
Orleans- Horse<Caravel (2 turns)
Unload 2 Workers & Cat into India
Unload 2 Muskets & Worker into India
Lower Science to 10%. Chivalry in 1 turn
Rush Harbor in Lahore for 124 gold
320 gold, +323gpt

Turn 190 (750 AD)
Chivalry is done. Start Theory Of Gravity (4 turns) Science up to 30%
Lyons- Harbor<Bank (14 turns)
Lahore- Harbor<University (12 turns)
Delhi- Settler<Musket (2 turns)
New Orleans riots. Buy a taxman
Unload Mace, Musket, & Horse onto Reims island
Besancon- Worker<Caravel (1 turn)
Upgrade 2 Muskets in Dijon & Delhi for 40 gold each
Upgrade Musket & Knight for 40 gold in Amiens
Rush Harbor at Rennes for 136 gold
267 gold, +152gpt

Turn 191 (760 AD)
Rennes- Harbor- Marketplace (50 turns)
Unload Musket, Worker, & Horse onto India
Delhi- Musket<Knight (2 turns)
Paris- Musket<Worker (1 turn)
Chartres- Musket<Caravel (2 turns)
Besancon- Caravel<Knight (2 turns)
Orleans- Caravel<Worker (1 turn)
Upgrade Sword to Mace in Delhi for 10 gold
Upgrade Spear to Musket in Delhi for 40 gold
Upgrade Warrior to Mace in Tours for 30 gold

Turn 192 (770 AD)
Bangalore- Courthouse<Harbor (10 turns)
Poitiers- University<Harbor (6 turns)
Rouen- Harbor<Barracks (4 turns)
Marseilles- Worker<Knight (3 turns)
Paris- Worker<Knight (2 turns)
Orleans- Worker<Caravel (2 turns)
Turn 1 citizen at Rouen to a scientist
Unload 2 Muskets & a Mace onto Rennes island
Joined Settler to Bayonne, size 4
Unload 3 Workers into India
Unload Mace, Worker, & Horse into India
Rush Granary at Rheims for 72 gold
Rush Barracks at Rouen for 160 gold
250 gold, +140gpt

Turn 193 (780 AD)
Egypt wants to trade WM, reject
Rouen- Barracks<Bank (40 turns)
Rheims- Granary<Harbor (40 turns)
Delhi- Knight<Settler (1 turn)
Chartres- Caravel<Caravel (2 turns)
Besancon- Knight<Worker (1 turn)
New Orleans riots. Buy a taxman
Unload 3 Workers onto Rennes island
Unload Worker, Cat, & Horse onto Rennes island
Upgrade Spear to Musket at Delhi for 40 gold
350 gold, +138gpt

Turn 194 (790 AD)
Theory Of Gravity is done. Start Magnetism (4 turns)
Bombay-Bank<Barracks (2 turns)
Strasbourg-Marketplace<Cathedral (8 turns)
Delhi- Settler<Knight (3 turns)
Paris- Knight<Musket (2 turns)
Besancon- Worker<Caravel (1 turn)
Orleans- Caravel<Knight (3 turns)
Unload 2 Workers & a Mace into India
Unload 2 Muskets & a Worker into India
Trade Chivalry to Korea for WM, 15gpt, & 30 gold
Trade Chivalry to Japan for 8 gold
Trade Astro to Persia for WM & 11 gold
Trade Engineering to Zulu for WM & 6 gold
Trade Incense, Education, & Chivalry to Germany for Dyes
541 gold, +158gpt

Turn 195 (800 AD)
Calcutta- Cathedral<Newton’s University (29 turns)
Amiens- Bank<Caravel (2 turns)
Cherbourg- Harbor<Courthouse (6 turns)
Bayonne- Harbor<Marketplace (13 turns)
Brest- Cathedral<Marketplace (5 turns)
Marseilles- Knight<Musket (3 turns)
Chartres- Caravel<Worker (1 turn)
Besancon- Caravel<Knight (2 turns)
Unload Musket, Knight, & a Worker onto Rennes island
Rush Bank at Lyons for 200 gold
Rush Harbor at Poitiers for 88 gold
411 gold, +159gpt

Turn 196 (810 AD)
Bombay- Barracks<Knight (3 turns)
Lyons- Bank<Musket (5 turns)
Poitiers- Harbor<Marketplace (9 turns)
Dijon- Bank<Settler (2 turns)
Paris- Musket<Worker (1 turn)
Chartres- Worker<Caravel (2 turns)
Rheims riots. Buy a taxman
Unload Knight, Musket, & Horse onto Rennes island

Turn 197 (820 AD)
Bordeaux- Granary<Harbor (8 turns)
Paris- Worker<Settler (1 turn)
Orleans-Knight<Caravel (2 turns)
Amiens- Caravel<Musket (3 turns)
Delhi- Knight<Knight (3 turns)
Besancon- Knight<Musket (2 turns)
Unload 3 Mace onto Rennes island
Unload 3 Workers onto Rennes island
Unload Worker & 2 Knights into India
Settler joins Hangchow, now size 4
Lower Science to 20%, Magnetism in 1 turn
Rush Harbor at Rheims for 148 gold
Rush Harbor at New Paris for 108 gold
Rush Harbor at New Orleans for 124 gold
368 gold, +278gpt

Turn 198 (830 AD)
Magnetism is done. Start Metallurgy (4 turns). Raise Science to 30%
Trade Chemistry to Korea for WM, 10gpt, & 2 gold
Trade Chemisty to China for WM & 20 gold
Leo’s Workshop is done.
Tours start on Galleon (3 turns)
Rheims- Harbor<Marketplace (50 turns)
New Paris- Harbor<Barracks (20 turns)
Paris- Settler<Musket (2 turns)
Dijon- Settler<Knight (3 turns)
Chartres- Galleon<Knight (3 turns)
New Orleans- Harbor<Marketplace (50 turns)
Unload 2 Mace & Musket onto Rennes island

Turn 199 (840 AD)
Toulouse- Courthouse<Colosseum (20 turns)
Bombay- Knight<Musket (3 turns)
Delhi- Knight<Worker (1 turn)
Amiens- Musket<Frigate (2 turns)
Besancon- Musket<Musket (2 turns)
Unload Worker, Knight & Musket into India
Unload 2 Workers & Musket onto Rennes island
Settler joins Poitiers, now size 6
Rush Colosseum at Toulouse for 480 gold
370 gold, +180gpt

Turn 200 (850 AD)
Gift Incense to China, they are now polite
Trade WM with the Zulu
Toulouse- Colosseum<Marketplace (17 turns)
Brest- Marketplace<University (10 turns)
Paris- Musket<Worker (1 turn)
Delhi- Worker<Worker (1 turn)
Caravel sinks Barb Galley
Contact the Babylonians. Trade Contact with the Zulu for WM.
Unload 2 Muskets & Mace onto Rennes island
Unload 2 Workers & Knight onto Rennes island
Unload 2 Workers & Knight into India

 

[Hawk Chieftain]

Back from Christmas & New Year's Vacation.
Here is the next 10 turns:
Turn 201 (860 AD)
Trade Contact w/Egypt, Persia, & Vikings to Babylon for Furs
Cherbourg- Courthouse<University (13 turns)
Amiens- Frigate<Frigate (2 turns)
Lyons- Musketeer<Frigate (5 turns)
Marseilles- Musket<Musket (3 turns)
Dijon- Knight<Granary (3 turns)
Delhi- Worker<Knight (3 turns)
Chartres- Knight<Privateer (2 turns)
Paris- Worker<Musket (2 turns)
Orleans- Galleon<Settler (1 turn)
Besancon- Musket<Frigate (2 turns)
Tours- Galleon<Settler (2 turns)
Lower Science to 10%
Trade Contact w/Babylon to Korea for WM & 20 gold
Trade Banking to Japan for WM, 15 gold, & 1gpt
Trade Theology to Egypt for WM & 5 gold
Trade Contact w/Babylon to China for 18 gold
Rush Marketplace at Rennes for 160 gold
Rush Marketplace at Rheims for 188 gold
439 gold, +354gpt

Turn 202 (870 AD)
Korea silk trade expires. Trade Iron to Korea for Silk & 5gpt
Metallurgy is done. Start Military Tradition (4 turns)
Increase Science up to 30%
Bangalore- Harbor<University (25 turns)
Magellan’s Voyage is complete. Start Coastal Fortress at Avignon (2 turns)
Lahore- University<Bank (9 turns)
Poitiers- Marketplace<Aqueduct (5 turns)
Strasbourg- Cathedral<University (10 turns)
Rennes- Marketplace<Courthouse (40 turns)
Rheims- Marketplace<Temple (30 turns)
Palace expands
Orleans- Settler<Coastal Fortress (2 turns)
Bombay- Musket<Knight (3 turns)
Unload 2 Workers & Knight onto Rennes island
Upgrade 2 Caravels at New Paris for 20 gold
Rush Barracks at New Paris for 36 gold
Rush Harbor at Hangchow for 96 gold
Rush Marketplace at Bayonne for 84 gold
Rush Harbor at Bordeaux for 60 gold
502 gold, +174gpt

Turn 203 (880 AD)
Hangchow- Harbor<Temple (30 turns)
Bayonne- Marketplace<University (20 turns)
Bordeaux- Harbor<Marketplace (10 turns)
New Paris- Barracks<Aqueduct (13 turns)
Amiens- Frigate<Frigate (3 turns)
Besancon- Frigate<Coastal Fortress (1 turn)
Tours- Settler<Coastal Fortress (2 turns)
Chartres- Privateer<Coastal Fortress (2 turns)
Paris- Musket<Musket (2 turns)
Delhi- Knight<Worker (1 turn)
Unload 3 Knights onto Rennes island
Unload 2 Mace & Knight onto Rennes island
Upgrade Spear to Musket at Bombay for 20 gold
Upgrade Sword to Mace at Bombay for 5 gold
Trade Navigation to Korea for WM, 20 gold, & 1gpt
Gift Horses to Japan, they are now polite
Trade Navigation to China for WM, 20 gold, & 6gpt
Rush Marketplace at New Orleans for 144 gold
Rush Temple at Rheims for 116 gold
431 gold, +173gpt

Turn 204 (890 AD)
Orleans- Coastal Fortress<Galleon (3 turns)
Avignon- Coastal Fortress<Galleon (3 turns)
Besancon- Coastal Fortress<Frigate (2 turns)
Dijon- Granary<Coastal Fortress (2 turns)
Rheims- Temple<Courthouse (40 turns)
New Orleans- Marketplace<Courthouse (14 turns)
Delhi- Worker<Worker (1 turn)
Unload 3 Muskets, 2 Knights, & 2 Horses into Egypt
606 gold, +173gpt

Turn 205 (900 AD)
Japan offers to swap WM, rejected
Tours- Coastal Fortress<Frigate (3 turns)
Chartres- Coastal Fortress<Privateer (2 turns)
Delhi- Worker<Knight (3 turns)
Paris- Musket<Musket (2 turns)
Bombay- Knight<Knight (3 turns)
Upgrade 2 Caravels to Galleon in New Paris for 20 gold
Unload 2 Workers, 2 Muskets & 2 Knights onto Rennes island
Lower Science to 10%

Turn 205 (910 AD)
Military Tradition is done. Start Steam Power (4 turns)
Increase Science to 50%, lower luxury to 10%
Dijon- Coastal Fortress<Cavalry (4 turns)
Amiens- Frigate<Granary (3 turns)
Lyons- Frigate<Coastal Fortress (4 turns)
Besancon- Frigate<Privateer (2 turns)
Unload 4 Knights into Egypt
Unload 2 Muskets & Knight onto Rennes island
Trade Contact w/Aztecs to Korea for WM, 20 gold, & 3gpt
Trade Contact w/Aztecs to Japan for 11 gold
Gift Contact w/China to Aztecs, they are now polite
Rush University at Bangalore for 324 gold
Rush University at Cherbourg for 240 gold
605 gold, +73gpt

Turn 206 (920 AD)
Korea wants to swap WM, rejected
Bangalore- University<Marketplace (10 turns)
Poitiers- Aqueduct<Bank (8 turns)
Cherbourg- University<Cathedral (10 turns)
Marseilles- Musket<Coastal Fortress (2 turns)
Paris- Musket<Cavalry (2 turns)
Orleans- Galleon<Privateer (3 turns)
Avignon- Galleon<Cavalry (4 turns)
Chartres- Privateer<Privateer (2 turns)
Unload 4 Mace, 3 Knights, 5 Muskets, & Horse into Egypt
Upgrade 4 Cats to Cannon at New Paris for 40 gold

Turn 207 (930 AD)
The Viking wine trade has expired. They want Incense, Contact w/Aztecs, Banking, & Astronomy. Take the deal.
The Persian ivory deal has expired. Decide not to renew it.
Amiens- Granary<Frigate (2 turns)
Tours- Frigate<Worker (1 turn)
Besancon- Privateer<Privateer (2 turns)
Delhi- Cavalry<Cavalry (3 turns)
Trade Incense to Korea for WM & 20 gold
Unload Worker, Knight, Settler & 3 Muskets onto Rennes island
Unload 4 Mace into Egypt
Rush University at Strasbourg for 136 gold
584 gold, +61gpt

Turn 208 (940 AD)
Marseilles- Coastal Fortress<Cavalry (4 turns)
Lahore- Bank<Coastal Fortress (2 turns)
Strasbourg- University<Granary (3 turns)
Bombay- Cavalry<Cavalry (4 turns)
Paris- Cavalry<Cavalry (2 turns)
Tours- Worker<Worker (1 turn)
Chartres- Privateer<Privateer (2 turns)
Unloaded 2 Mace, 4 Cannon & 2 Knights into Egypt
Lower Science to 20%

Turn 209 (950 AD)
Steam Power is done. Start Medicine (4 turns)
Increase Science to 40%
Lyons- Coastal Fortress<Ironclad (7 turns)
Toulouse- Marketplace <Aqueduct (7 turns)
Brest- University<Bank (8 turns)
Amiens- Frigate<Ironclad (3 turns)
Besancon- Privateer<Ironclad (2 turns)
Orleans- Privateer<Privateer (2 turns)
Dijon- Cavalry<Cavalry (4 turns)
Tours- Worker<Worker (1 turn)
Declare war on Egypt
Unload 4 Muskets into Egypt
Gift Navigation to Japan, they are now polite
Trade Incense to Persia for WM & 12 gold
Gift Zulu Contact w/Aztecs, they are now Cautious
Trade Physics to China for WM, 50 gold, Music Theory, & 30gpt
Rush Courthouse at Rheims for 96 gold
Rush Courthouse at Rennes for 128 gold
674 gold, +204gpt

Turn 210 (960 AD)
Lahore- Coastal Fortress<JS Bach’s Cathedral (25 turns)
Rennes- Courthouse<Library (40 turns)
Rheims- Courthouse<Library (20 turns)
New Orleans- Courthouse<Library (10 turns)
Paris- Cavalry<Iron Works (5 turns)
Delhi- Cavalry<Cavalry (3 turns)
Chartres- Privateer<Ironclad (3 turns)
Avignon- Cavalry<Cavalry (4 turns)
Tours- Worker<Worker (1 turn)
Unload 2 Muskets & Settler onto Rennes island
878 gold, +208gpt
Medicine in 3 turns

Lurkers: Please let me know if there would be anything that can improve my game.

 

[vorlon_mi]

Quick note, even though it is a little too late ...
The coastal fortresses are not the best investment of shields.
They will fire on AI ships that remain within 1 square of the city.
Except that the AI knows this, and very rarely ends its turn with ships
within 1 square of a city.
The coastal fortresses may also improve the defense bonus of units
that are fortified in it, but I don't know if that is true, or what the
improvement is.

My recommendation is to avoid building any more coastal fortresses.

Warfighting: you're probably already doing this, but here goes ...
Keep your units together in a stack; the AI loves to find a lone cav
or knight and beat up on it.
Bombard first, use veteran units next, and use an elite unit to attack
something that is red-lined. If the AI city is bigger than size 6,
you may want to just park your stack and bombard it for 2 turns
before sending in the troops.

I'll d/l the save when I get home, and will try to have more specific suggestions later in the weekend. Good movement of troops, so far.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

they arent' that useful, but they do look cool and they don't cost anything to maintain, which helps.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

one thing you can do is find a civ who seems fairly strong and give them lots of extra luxes, so they can be a research partner. Probably a commercial civ, if you have left any

they might (or might not) be able to get you replaceable parts, etc. Since you are obviously doing just fine, research wise, the only way to get a faster finish (if you want one) is to get the AI to help you out.

Problem is that they will all research nationalism, fascism and communism before anything helpful, of course.