Need WW2 Help for scenario!

[Yurt]

I'll put some radar in. I guess one in S Britain, one up in Scotland near Scapa Flow. Should the other countries have it? America, probably. What about Britain in the Pacific?
I'll do those other few city changes too.

 

[Procifica]

radar near Scapa Flow wouldn't be realistic. The British Radar Stations mainly ringed from southern England to eastern England...Plymouth to east of Manchester would be realistic, sprinkle a few along the coast.

Just Britain should have them initially. America, no.

 

[Yurt]

What about one on Iceland, which will be American controlled?

As for Iran, it looks like the only two cities there will be Tabriz and Tehrān. Should they both go to Russia?

edit: add Nîshāpūr to that list. (Yes, I wil make an effort to put all the accents into city names, although it doesn't accept some of them).

edit again: I was going to have Western Russia done today but my computer just crashed after half an hour of unsaved work. Maybe tomorrow.

 

[Procifica]

No cities in southern Iran??

America did NOT have radar in late 1941....

 

[Yurt]

Actually I guess I can fit in Isfahan and Shiraz.

 

[pap1723]

Iran is still a British Emprire country during the war.

Pap

 

[Procifica]

Iran was NEVER a British possession. Iran in 1941 was divided into a British Sphere of Influence, a Russian Sphere of Influence, and a neutral sphere of influence, but only the Russians did any real action in their sphere, which was to occupy Tabriz and a few other northern cities. They withdrew in 1946.

Iraq was also independent, in case its brought up.

 

[pap1723]

Iraq was independant, but after they failed in their attempt in early 1941 to overthrow the government and turn it into a fascist state, Britian took over most control there and had a fairly large military influence there.

Pap

 

[Procifica]

Their military influence was mainly at Basra though.

Iran though, was still in theory independent.

 

[Yurt]

So do you think Baghdad should be neutral or British?

I will get you screenshots of the Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan area pretty soon. For now I have done Egypt, the Near Middle East and Turkey.

Here are the new city populations, and attached is the whole list.

RUSSIA
Moscow 26
Leningrad 14
Yaroslavl' 9
Novgorod 7
Petrozavodsk 4
Murmansk 4

LIBYA (Italy)
Tripoli 10
Banghazi 4
Tobruk 2

EGYPT (GB)
Cairo 25
Alexandria 17
Suez 5

MID EAST (GB)
Baghdad 15
Damaschus 12
Amman 7
Basra 6
Aleppo 6
Beirut 5

TURKEY
Istanbul 22
Ankara 12
Izmir 10
Antalya 6
Adana 5
Van 3

CYPRUS (GB)
Nicosia 3

 

[Yurt]

The Middle East

 

[Yurt]

and Turkey
(I know it's really squished horizontally, but I can't do anything about that).

I haven't done Russia (again) yet because I have been fixing the geography of Africa, Turkey, the middle east, Afghanistan and China. My map had way too many hills before, so it wasn't very good strategically, but that should be much improved now.

 

[Procifica]

Most major Russian cities had close to a million people or more. Leningrad in particular should be a bit larger. (about 3 million I believe at that time)

Novogrod is the only other one besides Moscow I've heard of, and it should be larger as well by alot. Oh, and Murmansk, again, should be a bit larger. The Soviet Union's total population at this time was like 200+ million, most of it in the western 1/3.

Benghazi should be a little larger (maybe 6). Tripoli maybe just a tad. (11)

Cairo and Alexandria both should be smaller (especially Cairo).

Baghdad a little smaller.

Istanbul a little smaller, ditto for Ankara and Izmir.

There should be a large ring of Mountains/Hills around the North, East, and South of Ankara.

Looks good overall though.

 

[Yurt]

Are you sure about Cairo? Today it is the fifth largest Metropolitan area in the world (11.6 million). I don't think it should be any smaller. Alexandria today has almost 3.4 million. Speaking of which, Casablanca has 3.2 and Algiers 3 million. Tunis has 1.6. These are all metropolitan area populations.
By comparison, London is listed by this source as 9.2 million, Paris as 9.3, Moscow as 9, Istanbul as 6.4, St Petersburg as 5 and Berlin as 3.4 million.

 

[Procifica]

You don't realize how fast Cairo has grown since 1950. Trust me on this. Ditto for Alexandria.

Again, these cities have grown tremendously since 1950. You can't go by current population figures at all. And some of the figures you're quoting I know aren't completely accurate. But again, (for the third time) you have to consider how fast third-world countries have grown in population, especially urban-population, since 1950. While Europe and North America have been MUCH slower or have even declined some in the same time period.

And I can name you 10 metro areas larger than Cairo today. (and I know there are a few more)

Tokyo, New York, Mexico City, Osaka-Kyoto, Sao Paulo, Seoul, Bombay, Shanghai, Beijing, Los Angeles. (these are NOT in order, but all are larger than Cairo)

Anyways, that isn't the point though. You're free to use whatever population figures you want, as it is your scenario. I'm just trying to help, since I'm sure you want your scenario to be accurate with regard to historical figures and what stuff really was in 1941.

My recommendations still stand for the north africa cities.

 

[Procifica]

By the way, here's something I quickly dug up, just to back up what I said with a bit of fact.

http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/uu26ue/uu26ue0d.htm

This shows Greater Cairo in 1940 has having about 1.5 million people. In 1986, as having 9.5 million people. HUGE increase.

I'm not trying to put you down or prove you wrong or anything, I just want to help as much as I can. There are so many WWII scenarios in the Completed Scenarios thread, and this one has potential to be one of the best, if not the best.

This example about Cairo is typical of the other cities as well, though on a smaller scale.

 

[Yurt]

Don't worry about offending me. You obviously know what you're talking about and I want to make a good scenario, so I will take your advice. I didn't realize that a city could grow that fast though

Anyway, I'll change those cities and I'll start working the rest of Russia now.

edit: The Novgorod you are thinking of is probably Nizhniy Novgorod (Gorkiy), which is a lot bigger than the Novgorod south of St Petersburg. There's also Novgorod-Sivers'kyy.

 

[Yurt]

Here is mighty Russia.

City sizes:

USSR: (German total 69) (Russian total 285) (total so far 354)
Moscow 26
Leningrad 20
Stalingrad 17
Kiev (GER) 16
Kuybyshev 15
Sverdlovsk 15
Khar'kov 14
Minsk (GER) 13
Rostov 13
Gor'kiy 13
Ufa 12
Odessa (GER) 12
Kazan' 12
Donets'k 11
Voronezh 10
Chelyabinsk 10
Perm' 10
Orenburg 9
Yaroslavl' 9
Baku 9
Riga (GER) 8
Astrakhan 8
Penza 8
Novgorod 8
Smolensk (GER) 7
Sevastopol' 7
Cherepovets 7
T'bilisi 7
Bryansk (GER) 6
Archangel'sk 6
Murmansk 6
Atyrau 5
Vorkuta 4
Petrozavodsk 4

 

[Procifica]

At first glance, Stalingrad a little smaller, Rostov and Kharkov a little bigger.

Smolensk should be a little bigger too.

I'm not real familiar with russian cities, as there are so many of them, so I could be wrong.

And yes, I had forgotten there were two Novogrod's, I thought you were using the other one.

I would try to find some population figures though for some of these cities, as some seem like they should be bigger or smaller than you have them listed, but I don't want to screw up by your scenario by giving you bad or incorrect information.

I do know that Kiev was the third largest city in the USSR at the time (by a decent amount),

Kharkov and Rostov both were important industrial cities, as was Stalingrad. I'd imagine these were all of similar size.

Kuybyshev, Sverdlovsk, and Minsk I'd imagine would fall into the next group, about like you have it now.

And I think Voronezh should be a little further east. Same for Kharkov.

And if you wish to be accurate historically as far as German holdings as of Dec. 7th, 1941, they held Kharkov and Donets'k, and had Leningrad surrounded. (which means Novogrod was theirs too)

And a bit too many railroads near Moscow too.

Looking good though.

 

[Yurt]

Populations and steel output of countries found here:
http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/1939.htm

People
UK 48 million
France 41.6 million
USSR 190 million
USA 132.1 million
Germany (incl Austria) 76 million
Italy 44.2 million
Japan 71.4 million

And apparently the British entered Baghdad June 1 1941.

Now the British had recaptured Addis Ababa by Dec 7, but did they have Berbera or Mogadishu by then?

Also, Russia set up a temporary capital at Kuybyshev on Oct 16 1941, should I put their capital there?

And Greenland was put under American control. Is it worth putting a city down or just an airbase?

And I made all the changes you said except moving the cities, that wouldn't really work because they wouldn't be correct in relation to the other cities.