Need WW2 Help for scenario!

[Yurt]

I'm making a worldwide WW2 scenario for PTW. It incorporates all the WW2 units included on the disk.

The civs are: (edit: updated civ list)
America
Great Britain
Soviet Union
Free France
China
Germany
Japan
Italy
Spain
Vichy France
Turkey
Neutral Provinces

The scenario will be set for December 8 1941. Now what I need is this: a list of generals for each civ that I can put in as leaders.
I also need to know
-Who do you think should be the leader of Japan, the emperor or one of the military guys?
-What is Chiang Kai-shek's title?
-Who was a prominent leader of a neutral country (i.e. Belgium or Sweden)?

Also list any really important things you want to see in this scenario (city placement, etc) but be warned I don't plan to add any leaderheads or other units just to keep the download size low. I will also minimize the starting units to keep the loading time down.

 

[Wolfhart]

Depending on what sort of leader you're looking for, Sweden had three prime leaders during WW2;

His Majesty King Gustaf V, king of Sweden but without much of political power.

General Olof Thörnell, the Commander-in-Chief of the Swedish armed forces (Överbefälhavare över Krigsmakten) during the war but like the King without any political power worth mentioning.

Prime-minister (Statsminister) Per-Albin Hansson, social-democratic head of government and leader of the wartime coalition government, remembered in Sweden as a father of his people. He's the one I would use.

 

[fei]

Originally posted by Yurt
I'm making a worldwide WW2 scenario for PTW. It incorporates all the WW2 units included on the disk.

The civs are
America
England
Russia
Germany
Japan
Italy
Spain
Free France
Vichy France
China
Neutral Provinces

The scenario will be set for December 8 1941. Now what I need is this: a list of generals for each civ that I can put in as leaders.
I also need to know
-Who do you think should be the leader of Japan, the emperor or one of the military guys?
-What is Chiang Kai-shek's title?
-Who was a prominent leader of a neutral country (i.e. Belgium or Sweden)?

Also list any really important things you want to see in this scenario (city placement, etc) but be warned I don't plan to add any leaderheads or other units just to keep the download size low. I will also minimize the starting units to keep the loading time down.

chiang kai shek is a general of the other party.
There were 2 parties, Mao's party and Chiang's. They were both fighting each other for China. Chiang obviously lost to Mao and fled to taiwan. Chiang went to taiwan and formed a new government there. Later they united to fight the japanese which were invading china at that time.



I hope you make a really good scenerio. You should put all details in it. Everything from ww2, everywhere in the world.

 

[Procifica]

If you're including Free France and Vichy France, I would assume your scenario would start after the fall of France, meaning at least late June, 1940, or later. (and you indicated it would start in late 1941)

Russia at that time was known as the USSR or Soviet Union.

Belgium would not be a neutral country, it would be under German control.

Technically, come to think of it, so was Vichy France.

England would be better named as the United Kingdom.

Judging by the time period you're looking at, your neutrals would be Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal, and Ireland.

Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Greece, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Austria, and most of western Soviet Union would be German occupied at this time. Finland was heavily pro-Axis and should be German as well.

Albania would be under Italian control.

The Netherlands should factor into the far east though, maybe as apart of the UK or USA, or as a separate nation. (Indonesia)

You should seriously do some research before starting your scenario.

 

[Yurt]

I have done research...

I will change Russia and England.

Belgium isn't neutral, I was just giving examples of neutral countries there and I wasn't really thinking of the specifics.

Sweden, Switz, Portugal and Ireland are neutral. The Dutch colonies doesn't warrant another civ so I will lump them with Britain. Add Turkey to the list of civs.

Albania is under Italian control, as is Ethiopia. All of those countries you listed including Finland are under German control, but I want Vichy France seperate.

Fei - As far as I can remember, Mao didn't rise to power until long after the war. Chiang was still around in the forties.

Wolfhart - I will use Hansson, thanks!

Here's another question: I have a gap in North Africa between Tunis and Tripoli, what city should I put there?

Also who should control Cyprus?

 

[Yurt]

More stuff:

Who was the leader of Turkey, and what was his title?

And if anyone has any nice little Pedia entries they have written for any of the World War 2 units from PTW, or any of the WW2 civs, please post them here. Thanks!

 

[Procifica]

Turkey though was neutral. (I consider it a part of Asia) I listed only the European neutrals, there are of course more.

A good civ to add would be Thailand, they were pro-Japanese but were never really occupied by either side.

Canada and Australia would also be good civ's to add.

Iran also would be a good addition.


Mao was a major factor though in the early 1940's in chinese politics, as he by that point had made a truce with Chiang and they were working together to expel the Japanese invaders. So he does figure in, as does his communist gorillas (based in north central China).

Cyprus was British at that time.

I'm assuming that Libya is under Italian control and Tunisia under Vichy France control? I would use Gabes, it was a somewhat important city in Tunisia, and it is about halfway between Tripoli and Tunis.

 

[Procifica]

You probably should add a civ or two in South America as well?

 

[Rocoteh]

I welcome a scenario on this subject.
It`s easy to count the strategy games (board-games
and computer-games) done on WW2-Global.

I recommend you to use a very huge World Map with
Europa oversized.

When Global War was published 1975 Europa was so
small on the map that it killed the whole game.

 

[Procifica]

WWII will probably be my project #5 (ACW was the first, WWI is the second, Mediterranean 270 BC and World Conquest are the third and fourth, not sure which will be what yet).

But I'm also looking forward to seeing how this one turns out too.

 

[Rocoteh]

That`s great to hear Procifica.

Suggested Generals:

Germany: Manstein,Kesselring,Rommel,Model,Guderian,
Rundstedt and Hoth.

Soviet:Zhukov,Konev,Eremenko,Vatutin,Timoshenko,
Chernyakhovsk and Rokossovskii.

 

[Procifica]

Rocoteh: All of those, with the exception of Guderian and Hoth, are Field Marshals (by 1944 anyways, in late 1941 Kesselring and Rundstedt were among the dozen or so German Field Marshals, with Rommel, Manstein, and Model later getting promoted to such). Guderian and Hoth though were by far the best tank commanders (and Rommel of course ).

Kluge, Reicheanu (spelling), von Kleist, von Paulus (Stalingrad!), von Bock, von Leeb, Brauschtitich (spelling), and Keitel were other Field Marshals (all but Paulus by late 1941). Halder was Chief of Staff in 1941, though only at the rank of full General.

There were a total of 17 German Field Marshals in WWII, and some reason I can't think of who the other 4 are

 

[LouLong]

For Vichy France

ruler Marshall Petain
leaders : gone through the drain... but Admiral Darlan, general Weygand fought against allies until 1942 and mostly joined the Allies after Vichy France was occupied in 1942.
areas : South of France but no Atlantic frontier. Dakar and AOF (West French Africa goes eastwards up to but excluding Cameroon).

Free France
ruler General Charles de Gaulle
leaders : General Leclerc (he gave his name to the tank), General de Lattre de Tassigny, General Juin (Italy)
Capital London (in exile) bases in Tchad and Cameroon mostly (on a line between these 2 countries or AEF, French equatorial Africa).

France had a crappy and not mechanized army in 1940 but it had a large, strong and brand-new fleet that actually never had the opportunity of fighting. For one part was destroyed by the French navy (to avoid giving it ot the Germans) and the rest was destroyed by English bombers in Mers El Kebir (3/07/1940) in North Africa to avoid the same thing. Many French people turned to collaborate in the Navy after that event.

French Syria and Lebanon had been invaded by the UK in May 1941 to prevent Arab revolts in Irak (Rachid Ali) or in Jerusalem (the mufti).

About other countries.
Australia, South Africa and Canada should be in the commonwealth (otherwise that'd too many countries).
Except for South America (where many regimes tended to be pro-nazi : Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay), only Siam (Thailand) and Persia (Iran) were nearly independant in the world. After Pearl Harbor there was a loose alliance between Japan and Siam.

In China : the war had started before (1927, before they were allies) between Nationalists (General Chiang Kai Shek base Nankin first then Tchong King southWest) and communists (Mao (capital Yenan after the Long March) while the Japanese had created the false state of Mandchoukuo (capital Moukden, used the last Mandchu emperor Pu Yi as a puppet and Nankin with Wang Tching Wei) to benefit from steel, wood and coal of North East China. Nationalists were supported by the US and when Japanese troops blocked all the coasts and threatened the supply route to Kunming through Birma, the US started an embargo against Japan even before Pearl Harbor. Nationalists and communists joined forces against the common foe (Japanese) but the conflict resumed after the Japanese defeat (2 Sept 1945). Chiang fled to Taiwan only in 1949 when he saw he was defeated in mainland China.

Japanese leader should be Hiro Hito.

For smaller countries (in case)
Hungary : leader admiral (funny since they had no coasts anymore) Horty.
Croatia officially Monarchy (Aimon de Spolete of the Savoy family that ruled Italy) but actually Ante Pavelitch and the fascist Oustachis.
Rumania : Antonesco

 

[Procifica]

Loulong: Croatia, Hungary, and Rumania were all German occupied or controlled by late 1941.

The only real Pro-Nazi regime in South America was Argentina, as most of Latin America had declared war on Germany by 1942. I'd probably at least include Argentina as a separate nation, and maybe Brazil as well.

Since he's using PTW, he can have up to 31 nations.

Technically Afghanistan was independent as well, as its never truly been under foreign domination since the 1600's I believe.

Vichy France leader: Laval (who could forget him? ) They did control Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Senegal. Free France had the other french colonies.

 

[Rocoteh]

"Rocoteh:All of those, with the exception of Guderian and
Hoth are Field Marshals" Procifica

Yes I know that, and then to be more distinct:

Exchange "Suggested Generals with Suggested Military
Leaders".

 

[Procifica]

LOL...I wish though I could remember who those other 4 clowns are

 

[LouLong]

Originally posted by Procifica
Loulong: Croatia, Hungary, and Rumania were all German occupied or controlled by late 1941.

I agree, it was just in case he decided to use more countries. After all most of these countries declared war on Germany as soon as their regimes were overthrown by Allies advance.

Loulong: The only real Pro-Nazi regime in South America was Argentina, as most of Latin America had declared war on Germany by 1942. I'd probably at least include Argentina as a separate nation, and maybe Brazil as well.[/QUOTE]

Well, that is two different things. One is to go to war with the leading power of the continent (USA) for obvious reasons and one is personal tastes of the people in power. About the last one, most countries in the bottom of South Africa had relationships with Nazi Germany. Argentina of course but other countries as well (even though to a lower degree). Now if this scenario is a "what if...", that could be interesting.

Loulong:Since he's using PTW, he can have up to 31 nations.

Technically Afghanistan was independent as well, as its never truly been under foreign domination since the 1600's I believe.

Vichy France leader: Laval (who could forget him? ) They did control Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Senegal. Free France had the other french colonies. [/QUOTE]

Afghanistan, yes but it was not very important in that war and could be linked to Persia. After all Afghanistan was important in the Great Game between Russia/USSR vs UK/USA to get access to the warm seas. In the second world war, the main interest had switched to other geotrategic areas.

Laval. Depends whether you want military leaders or not. As Prime minister he was very influent but it is still Petain who was the emblematic figure of Vichy France.

Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia yes. Lebanon and Syria British occupied.
Dakar and Senegal : not only or great Senegal all the way to Tchad through modern Niger, Mali, Burkina.

 

[Procifica]

If he wanted more countries...he could toss in some in South America. (or make commonwealth ones independent)

Yes, there were a few others in Latin America who had nominal relations with Nazi Germany, but most broke those relations by 1942, and a majority declared war by then as well. By 1944, all but Argentina and a couple others had declared war.

Agreed, Afghanistan wasn't important to WWII, but it still was independent.

Lebanon and Syria I thought was infered that I meant those as British occupied.

I'm not really sure though if Vichy France had "full" control of Chad, Niger, Mali, and Burkina Faso (Upper Volta). Cameroons I believe was definitely Free French.

Can't resist this one: About the last one, most countries in the bottom of South Africa had relationships with Nazi Germany.

 

[LouLong]

Originally posted by Yurt
I have done research...

Sweden, Switz, Portugal and Ireland are neutral. The Dutch colonies doesn't warrant another civ so I will lump them with Britain. Add Turkey to the list of civs.

Albania is under Italian control, as is Ethiopia. All of those countries you listed including Finland are under German control, but I want Vichy France seperate.

In that case you should put Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia as Free French. At first their mentality made them follow Petain but things changed when they were controlled by the Japanese.

Originally posted by Yurt
Here's another question: I have a gap in North Africa between Tunis and Tripoli, what city should I put there?

Also who should control Cyprus?

You can put either Gabes or the island of Djerba
Cyprus (and Malta if you can) belong to England. Malta would be extremely important for airplanes protecting English convoys to Egypt. As an idea, their range covered almost all Sicilia but did not reach Tripoli. Of course that is only useful if you give the airplanes lethal bombardement against ships (I think you should !!).

Turkey President Inonu if I remember well (don't know much about Turkey at that time). At least that was the one used in Civ2.

 

[LouLong]

Originally posted by Procifica

I'm not really sure though if Vichy France had "full" control of Chad, Niger, Mali, and Burkina Faso (Upper Volta). Cameroons I believe was definitely Free French.

Well that is the pb with most civil wars. When to side with one part and when to take part with another.
Cameroon yes I mentionned it in my first post, definitely Free French. (funny since it was a German colony until WWI)

Originally posted by Procifica
Can't resist this one: About the last one, most countries in the bottom of South Africa had relationships with Nazi Germany.

Freudian slip maybe, with some truth (as with most Freudian slips)