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[nerovats]

Since we´ll have to go to war a lot, monarchy might be better then republic in this case. Before revolting we must make sure we´ve got enough units to fight landings. After revolt maybe take the 2 cities from babs then triger GA?

 

[Obormot]

I think we should revolt now. We have some archers and maybe we should start building NMs becasue we will be out of despotism. We would need NMs to fight byz or america and a despotic GA is not good. The only downside is that we will have to revolt twice (if we decide to go for republic later) and might get long anarchy periods.

Also i propose to switch off research for a while. There is no way we can get currency before the AI, so we better save some money. If we are going to war with byz we can extort currency from them and then in the MA try to get a monopoly tech.

I think that we should stop building archers now, but switch to horses and some NMs.

Another idea: if carthage agrees for peace, don't go for it immidiately, because
1. Negative WW points.
2. Flip chance at LM. We should be able to recapture it again without rep hit.
3. If they drop any units, make peace immidiately and if LM flips again, boot them.

 

[nerovats]

Wouldn´t like to revolt twice. But monarchy will let us build more units, could turn down science and use pointy stick. Keeping war going might work as long as we´ve got enough units Probably need about 10 to be save. I agree to turn of science for currency. Probably will need to take more then 2 cities to get it from babs tho.

 

[Obormot]

But monarchy will let us build more units, could turn down science and use pointy stick.

Pointy stick research is not as powerfull as many people think, and it gets worth as techs become more expensive. I would revolt to republic later, maybe not immidiately but when our cities grow. Still benefit of getting out of despotism early outweighs having 2 anarchy periods.

Keeping war going might work as long as we´ve got enough units Probably need about 10 to be save.

After some time they will agree for peace. But we won't give it to them. If they drop any units we make peace with them and we are perfectly safe without any units. We only need to keep units at the coast for the time osman refuses to talk. And of course keep a few units near LM. The flip chance is 4%.

 

[soul_warrior]

i say revolt now.
science off till the ai gets construction.
we will be safe from the ottomans in the mean while.

 

[Pentium]

My vote goes for Republic. I'm not so sure about revolting now, we'll be out of Despotism, but revolting again? Maybe.

Try to keep Osman at war as long as we can. If he lands with a big force, we'll make peace.

BTW, Who(mp)'s up?

 

[Whomp]

No Obormot is still playing but I'll pick up when he's finished. I prefer republic. If we manage our wars properly monarchy should not be necessary. High hit ratios are the key.

 

[Obormot]

It is just 2 turns left of my turnset, so it doesn't really matter who plays them. I can play now or later, but i'm still not sure about goverments. If i understood correctly the votes are:

Nero: revolt to monarchy now and stay in monarchy.
Obormot: revolt to monarchy now and then revolt to republic once we have big cities and infrastructure.
soul warrior: revolt to monarchy now
Pentium: revolt to republic sooner or later, but maybe it makes sense to become a monarchy for a while.
Whomp: stay in despotism, revolt to republic later.

So 3 people want to revolt now (at least for some time) and one is not sure. We need one more vote for a revolution

Just one note: when the granary in LM is ready we'll be producing workers there and switch carthage to military. We would need a lot of them because most of our territory is plains and we won't get fast growth even with irrigation. In monarchy the WF will be 1.5 times more efficent. Also this is sid and we might need a large military. Unit cost might be to high in republic untill our cities grow so even if we get republic somehow (extort it from byzantines for example) it might be worth then monarchy with small cities.

 

[Whomp]

No I think we revolt and go to republic now. I absolutely do not want two early revolts at Sid so if we are going to war for long stretches I'd go monarchy and consider commie later.

 

[Bigfoot]

I like the idea of being a Republic, but I don't think we are ready yet with such small cities. I would prefer to go Republic after we grow enough to provide adequate commerce for unit support. Having two seperate revolts sounds painful.

 

[Own]

Republic now. Ducts will be easier to build, and the quicker we go the quicker we get comfortable with it.

Edit: Btw Whomp, I'm trying the same variant in the Tom Tom club with the same settings on emperor in a solo game, and I'm having a blast. I've kicked it up a notch, making lux illegal, so clowns are the only solution to unhappiness.

 

[Obormot]

We cannot buy republic now. That is the problem. We'll have to wait a long time before we get it. That is why i started the discussion. We can either go to monarchy now or stay in despotism and revolt to republic much later.

 

[Own]

Oh, I thought we had the republic tech.

 

[Pentium]

Pentium: revolt to republic sooner or later, but maybe it makes sense to become a monarchy for a while.

I don't think we should revolt twice. Let's rather wait untill we can get Republic.

My plan would to buy Republic for huge (all we have) gpt and revolt. In Anarchy, there's no punishment for running negative gpt.

 

[Own]

I dont know enough about the current situation to have an opinion. How much would republic cost, what's our military size, infra, workers, etc. The biggest question is, could we sell rep to another civ for a lot of techs?

 

[Obormot]

I offered Theodora all of our gold + all of our gpt for Republic and she was insulted by such a deal. Maybe it would be possible to buy it later when the AI trade it between each other, but still i doubt that we'll be able to buy. I think we will not get Republic in the nearest 50 turns or so. So we have to choose between 50 turns of despotism and an extra anarchy period.

 

[Own]

Will monarchy necessarily be better than despotism?

 

[Obormot]

Tile penalty will be removed, which means more workers from the WF, and we are going to war, so we are going to have GA soon.

 

[Pentium]

There are times when you really miss those lurker's comment: 's

 

[Own]

Ok, I'm for monarchy and possibly staying there if we are in position to attack byz or america relatively soon after we take LM. This depends on how close they are to pikes (if they don't have them already).