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Never Before Seen Leader Elimination

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by Phrozen, Jun 1, 2017.

  1. Siptah

    Siptah Eternal Chieftain

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) 19
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 27
    Constantine (Rome) 22
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 11 (14-3) Nasser for a pan-Arabism ruler.
    John Adams (America) 22
    Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 8
    Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 7
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18 (17+1) Another name Sean Bean can rape, just like he did with Amanitore. Really, why isn't someone telling him at least a certain direction for the pronunciation. He actually ruled the country (and Egypt) unlike Amantore who probably just joined regency for a few years while her son was too young (she's not a bad choice, however).
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 28
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 21
     
  2. Kimiimaro

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    Gorgo was actually queen of Sparta and Catherine de' Medici held political power in France for some time. Sadly, I can't describe why Gandhi reappers in Civ, even if he is a very important man in Indian history.

    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) 19
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 27+1=28 - India needs a second leader, and Senusret III cannot stay in the lead alone :p
    Constantine (Rome) 22
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 11
    John Adams (America) 22
    Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 8
    Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 7-3=4 - It's not that Japan needs a second leader. Also, as I said, he was interior/finance minister. He never led Japan.
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 28
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 21
     
  3. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

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    Cixi can be a leader for China as well, despite being Empress Dowager.
     
  4. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Arminius (Germany) 19
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    Constantine (Rome) 22
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 11
    John Adams (America) 22
    Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) (8-3)=5 Definitely should go before Okubo, since he was practically the same as Mvemba a Nzinga in his Christian piety and wouldn't add anything new to the Civ.
    Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) (4+1)=5 The Abraham Lincoln of Japan :p, plus Japan has around 2,000 years of recorded history, so why shouldn't they get a second leader? Toshimichi still was an important statesman during the Meiji period. He was one of the three major figures in the Meiji Restoration.
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 28
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 21

    Gorgo was Queen of Sparta, but never ruled directly. Catherine de Medici also didn't rule directly. Sitting Bull, Hiawatha, and Pocatello weren't the most powerful people among their nations and can't be equated with a European monarch, yet they became Civ leaders.
     
  5. Kimiimaro

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    CdM was a regent, wasn't she? That means she ruled the country for some time, no? If I'm not mistaken, she held a significant power in politics.

    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
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    Arminius (Germany) 19
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 28
    Constantine (Rome) 22
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 11
    John Adams (America) 22
    Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 5
    Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 5-3=2 - Nkumbi a Mpundi at least actually ruled. I know, being one of the leaders of Meiji Restoration, Ōkubo Toshimichi was an important man in the history of Japan. But he was just an interior/finances minister. Also, Meiji Restoration is already in-game bonus of Japan.
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 28
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 21+1=22 - A king that actually ruled over England would be nice.
     
  6. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) 19
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 28
    Constantine (Rome) (22+1)=23 Offers possible religious gameplay to the Roman Civ.
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 11
    John Adams (America) 22
    Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) (5-3)=2 He's too similar to Mvemba a Nzinga. Just because he actually ruled Kongo doesn't mean he will provide new gameplay opportunities for the Civ.
    Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 2
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 28
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 22
     
  7. Phrozen

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20 -3 =17. Doesn't seem that different from Monty. Probably would of been a good choice to replace Monty though.
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) 19
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 28
    Constantine (Rome) 23
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 11
    John Adams (America) 22
    Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 2
    Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 2 +1 = 3. Was the most powerful person in Japan as the Home Lord as he controlled the police and army. Invested heavily in Japans lagging infrastructure which the Shogunate had basically ignored, was part of the Iwakura Mission, and lead the army that crushed the Satsuma Rebellion.
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 28
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 22
     
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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) 19
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 28
    Constantine (Rome) 23+1=24 He would be different to Trajan.
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 11
    John Adams (America) 22
    Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 2-3=-1 ELIMINATED, he's way to similar to his Grandfather.
    Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 3
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 28
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 22
     
  9. Siptah

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) 16 (19-3) No, just no. I'd love to have some revolutionary leaders in the game, but not some riot leaders.
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 28
    Constantine (Rome) 25 (24+1) If we get a second emperor for Rome, he or Diocletian would be my favorites.
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 11
    John Adams (America) 22
    Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 3
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 28
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 22
     
  10. Morningcalm

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) 16
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 28
    Constantine (Rome) 25
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 11
    John Adams (America) 22
    Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 3 - 3 = Eliminated (There are numerous more colorful Japanese leaders that fit agenda better.)
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 28 + 1 = 29 (Worshipped as a god by his enemies, well-attested, clear military encampment and trade/commercial hub bonuses with an agenda around cultural borders makes him an excellent for for VI. Look forward to seeing his solemn visage in the game.)
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 22
     
  11. Kimiimaro

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
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    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 28
    Constantine (Rome) 25
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 11-3=8 - He is an interesting choice, but I'd rather have a less recent leader.
    John Adams (America) 22
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 29+1=30 - Welcome in the 30 club!
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 22
     
  12. Guandao

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) (16-3)=13 What language would he speak? Whatever he spoke is not documented, even if it were a Germanic language. I don't think Germany needs a leader from the Classical era.
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) (28+1)=29 Great leader choice for India, probably not as famous as Ashoka, but he did found the Maurya Empire.
    Constantine (Rome) 25
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 8
    John Adams (America) 22
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
    Senusret III (Egypt) 30
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 22
     
  13. Phrozen

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) 13
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 29 Great leader choice for India, probably not as famous as Ashoka, but he did found the Maurya Empire.
    Constantine (Rome) 25
    Djoser (Egypt) 23
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 8
    John Adams (America) 22
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 23 +1 =24. PM for leader of England.
    Senusret III (Egypt) 30
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 22 - 3 = 19. Henry II or Henry V would be a better king from the Middle Ages for England.
     
  14. Siptah

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) 13
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 29
    Constantine (Rome) 25
    Djoser (Egypt) 24 (23+1) In a game with focus on big personalities, Egypt has a problem: We know exactly nothing about the personalities of Pharaohs if we don't have some stories from the time. For Cleo, such things exists (which strangely makes her the best choice for Egypt indeed if we look at personality o.o). For Djoser, some fragments exist in the legends about him. Pharaohs for who personality is not just the wildest of speculations are Merikare, Nebkaura and Amenemhet I - but we don't want those, right?
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 8
    John Adams (America) 22
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 24
    Senusret III (Egypt) 30
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 16 (19-3) William the Bastard certainly has a lot of name recognition. Made some big mistakes in his way of ruling and organizing his 'empire', otherwise his 'empire' would not have been dissolved with his his death.
     
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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
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    Arminius (Germany) 13
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 29
    Constantine (Rome) 25
    Djoser (Egypt) 24
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 8
    John Adams (America) 22
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 24-3=21 - I'd rather have a medieval king of England. Also this guy is quite close to Vicky in time.
    Senusret III (Egypt) 30
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 16+1=17 - He wasn't that bad to go now...
     
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    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
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    Arminius (Germany) 13
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 29
    Constantine (Rome) 25
    Djoser (Egypt) 24
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) (8-3)=5 I don't favor 20th century rulers for the Arabian Civ.
    John Adams (America) 22
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 21
    Senusret III (Egypt) 30
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) (17+1)=18 Probably not my first choice for a medieval English King, but he's a decent one based on what I know about him. Maybe the Domesday Book could lend itself to an Agenda/or Leader ability?
     
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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) (13-3)=10 I'm not in favor of adding such an early leader to Germany, and we don't have attestation of his language.
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 29
    Constantine (Rome) 25
    Djoser (Egypt) 24
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 5
    John Adams (America) 22
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 21
    Senusret III (Egypt) 30
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) (18+1)=19 The man who changed England's destiny.
     
  18. Phrozen

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    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
    Alfonso X (Spain) 21
    Arminius (Germany) 10
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 29
    Constantine (Rome) 25
    Djoser (Egypt) 24
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 5
    John Adams (America) 22
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 18
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 21 +1 = 22. England had a massive influence the world over when it comes to representative government. They should have a PM. Jenkinson is a good choice that is not exactly in Vicky's era.
    Senusret III (Egypt) 30
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 19 -3 =16. Alfred or Henry V from earlier rounds would be better.
     
  19. Manifold

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    Hey folk, voter number 4 is back:D

    Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 17
    Alfonso X (Spain) 22 (21+1) interesting guy no question!
    Arminius (Germany) 10
    Chandragupta Maurya (India) 29
    Constantine (Rome) 25
    Djoser (Egypt) 24
    Emir Faisal (Arabia) 2 (5-3)
    John Adams (America) 22
    Otto the Great (Germany) 21
    Piye (Nubia) 15 (18-3) Nubia is fine as it is.
    Robert Jenkinson (England) 22
    Senusret III (Egypt) 30
    Shivaji (India) 25
    William the Conqueror (England) 16
     
  20. God of Kings

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    You cannot downvote both Emir Faisal and Piye together.
     
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