New Bug?

[child_of_air]

Hello,

I'm a newbie to these forums, and I've noticed something- which I'm not sure is a bug or not. Anyway, when I have a defensive pact with one party, I've noticed that when they declare war on someone else, I've apparently declared war on that person as well. This has happened to me countless times, and has screwed up some good games that I had going and other civs that I wanted to make permanent alliances with. I thought that if the person you had a defensive pact going with- if they declared war on a third party it didn't necessisarily throw you into it as well. This has only started happening to me after I installed the new patch.

Example: I had a defensive pact with Saladin and Alexander. I was hoping to make a perm alliance w/ Alexander later on. All of the sudden I've declared war on Alexander, and right after that Saladin declared war on Alexander. WTH? I had no intentions of doing that at all.

It just didn't make any sense to me. Is this a bug or what?

 

[Julian Delphiki]

Example: I had a defensive pact with Saladin and Alexander. I was hoping to make a perm alliance w/ Alexander later on. All of the sudden I've declared war on Alexander, and right after that Saladin declared war on Alexander. WTH? I had no intentions of doing that at all.

Hi,

i suppose it was other way around - Alexander actually declared first to Saladin and defense pact dragged you in. I've seen many times someones vassal to declare me first and after that the master himself. I guess it has something to within the turn order for civs (this happens on same turn). Those declarations are bit wierd sometimes.

 

[ChicagoCubs]

Without seeing the game to know who exactly attack first, I think the issues is more realted to how a turn based game reports message to you.

 

[gdgrimm]

Without seeing the game to know who exactly attack first, I think the issues is more realted to how a turn based game reports message to you.

Yes. It's annoying, but you often hear about the war declarations that directly involve you, and then later hear about the permanent alliances/vassalage pacts/defensive pacts/etc/etc/etc that occurred during the same turn and that drove the war declarations.

 

[child_of_air]

So what you're saying is that the bug is the way the game reports something to me, rather than what really occurred? So how do I really know who declared war on whom?

I'm still confused. I guess next time I'll just have to avoid having defensive pacts with more than one person.

 

[Rots]

I'm a newbie to both the forums and CivIV (and was a big fan of CivII)... only picked this game up last Saturday as I've been waiting for the price to become a little more affordable for me.

Anywho, I have noticed a different "bug" with the defensive pact. Last night I had a defensive pact with the Japanesse. I ended up getting the Japanesse to wage war against Alexander via the trade screen. I noticed this didn't cancel our pact, however, I was under the impression if either of us declare war it breaks the pact. I figured the Japanesse would be being breaking the pact as they delcared war as a result of our trade.

A couple of turns later I also declared war on Alexander and the pact was then broken.

 

[child_of_air]

That's interesting. Although I can't comment much because I haven't had this bug.

 

[Julian Delphiki]

So what you're saying is that the bug is the way the game reports something to me, rather than what really occurred? So how do I really know who declared war on whom?

I think you can check out from game/event log what really happened. Look the options menu, it's probably hidden somewhere there. Game reports are confusing, indeed.

 

[Mutineer]

cntr-tab will bring event log.