New Civ 4 patch coming up?

[LordRahl]

Does anyone know if there are plans for a new Civ4 patch following 1.61, and when (it's been almost 4 months since 1.61)? I would really like to see the slavery civic exploits getting fixed.

 

[wkndwrrr]

If Firaxis is anything like most game designers, then it will completely ignore the origional version now that the expansion pack is out, and simply patch warlords from now on.

 

[TheLopez]

Firaxis is not planning on releasing any new patches for Vanilla Civ4. Patch v1.61 was the last patch.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

However, Warlords did include a fix for the slavery bugs.

 

[Charles 22]

Supposedly the vanilla version also doesn't allow the AI to use nukes; a pivotal loss to the orginal game. I can understand not adding new units to the patch unique to warlords, but to highlight nukes among other things in vanilla, and then for them to work only for the human. Inept and corrupt is how I put not fixing that in vanilla and only having it in warlords.

 

[gdpdht]

The AI not building nukes bug should really have been fixed in one of the patches to the vanilla version. I actually posted about this bug in december over at Apolyton forums so it was well known, at least to the players.

 

[Danicela]

If Firaxis is anything like most game designers, then it will completely ignore the origional version now that the expansion pack is out, and simply patch warlords from now on.

Firaxis is not planning on releasing any new patches for Vanilla Civ4. Patch v1.61 was the last patch.

NO. This has been discussed a lot before, even if there is Warlords, there will still be patches for the stand alone of Civ4, having an expansion is not a reason to stop to patch the stand alone, and doing it would be intolerable.

 

[Craterus22]

NO. This has been discussed a lot before, even if there is Warlords, there will still be patches for the stand alone of Civ4, having an expansion is not a reason to stop to patch the stand alone, and doing it would be intolerable.

well prepare to be... uh... intolerablitated

warlords forces you to upgrade cIV to 1.61.

if you were someone that had to go back to an earlier patch you were affected and based on firaxis' track record I doubt they would put a check in the warlords install to not force the patch if there was a higher patch out there.

Heck they could not even afford to make sure text worked in win98 upon warlords install! (there is a really easy fix though - check the tech support forum)

 

[TheLopez]

NO. This has been discussed a lot before, even if there is Warlords, there will still be patches for the stand alone of Civ4, having an expansion is not a reason to stop to patch the stand alone, and doing it would be intolerable.

Danicela, I asked several Fireaxis developers the question if they were going to release another patch for vanilla Civ4 after the v1.61 patch and they said they were not going to.

 

[Danicela]

warlords forces you to upgrade cIV to 1.61.

if you were someone that had to go back to an earlier patch you were affected and based on firaxis' track record I doubt they would put a check in the warlords install to not force the patch if there was a higher patch out there.

Heck they could not even afford to make sure text worked in win98 upon warlords install! (there is a really easy fix though - check the tech support forum)

I think you didn't understand what i'm talking about.
I think normal that Warlords follows the 1.61 Civ4 patch...
I don't care about that.

Danicela, I asked several Fireaxis developers the question if they were going to release another patch for vanilla Civ4 after the v1.61 patch and they said they were not going to.

And I've seen everywhere they will...
Hum... if what you say it's true, it's just stupid.
Firaxis loses my affection progressivly i hear these untolerable things and I find bugs, stupid, and unbalanced things in Civ4...

 

[Enkidu_Warrior]

My prediction is that civ 4 is the last they'll make for the PCs. They might squeeze out another expansion pack just to get the revenue, but we should all enjoy the sunset on this great series.

The sad fact is that they messed up big time moving to 3D on this one. The non-standard hardware profiles of PC games meant that they needed a LOT more testing before they released their software, testing they decided they couldn't afford.

Now, 6 months in, they're rushing out an expansion to get more cashflow so they can keep the machine rolling, but they still haven't sorted out the technical problems, nor have they demonstrated that they can release even as simple an expansion as this bug-free.

My prediction: 1 more expansion in about 6-8 months (in time for Xmas?), maybe a patch for Warlords between now and then, and a patch for the next expansion thereafter, then you'll be playing Civ on consoles only.

EW

 

[Ace4nyC]

My prediction is that civ 4 is the last they'll make for the PCs. They might squeeze out another expansion pack just to get the revenue, but we should all enjoy the sunset on this great series.

The sad fact is that they messed up big time moving to 3D on this one. The non-standard hardware profiles of PC games meant that they needed a LOT more testing before they released their software, testing they decided they couldn't afford.

Now, 6 months in, they're rushing out an expansion to get more cashflow so they can keep the machine rolling, but they still haven't sorted out the technical problems, nor have they demonstrated that they can release even as simple an expansion as this bug-free.

My prediction: 1 more expansion in about 6-8 months (in time for Xmas?), maybe a patch for Warlords between now and then, and a patch for the next expansion thereafter, then you'll be playing Civ on consoles only.

EW

maybe they workign on civ 5 ? and need extra money. how the hell are you going to play civ for counsel ? think about the complexity of the game how are you going to manage everything with the joystic u need a mouse for civ and keyboard.

counsole civ thats a good joke

 

[Soneji]

civ has never been welcomed on the consol platform, don't see why it would be diferent now.

bit of a silly thing to say really

 

[MrCynical]

My prediction: 1 more expansion in about 6-8 months (in time for Xmas?), maybe a patch for Warlords between now and then, and a patch for the next expansion thereafter, then you'll be playing Civ on consoles only.

Sorry, but the idea of any turn based strategy game, let alone Civ, going purely console based is laughable. The Civ series would end before that happened.

The sad fact is that they messed up big time moving to 3D on this one.

Sad fact is they had no real choice. Publishers, reviewers and a significant segment of the public insist on a reasonable standard of graphics, which now includes 3D. Even computer chess programs get these pointless graphical upgrades as a result. At least the transition is now out of the way.

 

[Flak]

Sorry, but the idea of any turn based strategy game, let alone Civ, going purely console based is laughable. The Civ series would end before that happened.

I don't know. I think there is certainly a marketable future for games on PC, especially laptops. But if any future edition of Civ comes out on console, I'm going to buy that console and probably that version of Civ right on the same day. I'm on the verge of buying a console anyway.... I wouldn't be surprised if they go for a dual release on both platforms for the next edition of civilization.

Sad fact is they had no real choice. Publishers, reviewers and a significant segment of the public insist on a reasonable standard of graphics,

Also probably the developers themselves were insisting on moving up. Nearly everybody else in the industry has moved into 3D and no proffessional developer wants to be left behind technologically if they can help it, for many obvious reasons (like marketability should they have/want to find a job with another company). It's just the way of the world.

 

[Sibben]

My prediction is that civ 4 is the last they'll make for the PCs. They might squeeze out another expansion pack just to get the revenue, but we should all enjoy the sunset on this great series.

If there is one type of genre that should have any survivability on the PC platform it's certainly strategy titles. I would not worry.

The sad fact is that they messed up big time moving to 3D on this one. The non-standard hardware profiles of PC games meant that they needed a LOT more testing before they released their software, testing they decided they couldn't afford.

First off; the varying profiles of consumer PC's is in no way isolated to Firaxis or Civ, it is a common problem. This has been proclaimed alot over the years as a reason why the PC is going to go away as a gaming platform - yet it's still here. Secondly: the fact of the matter is that console development has it's own set of challenges and is in no way a walk in the park. I have no insight in how Firaxis test process went, but even if they had a rather large team it would surprise me if it was anything close to the giant apparatus it is to develop a high end next gen console title these days.

Now, 6 months in, they're rushing out an expansion to get more cashflow so they can keep the machine rolling, but they still haven't sorted out the technical problems, nor have they demonstrated that they can release even as simple an expansion as this bug-free.

"Even as simple" are your words - nothing is simple in game development. Unfortunately it's common fare with PC games to have tons of bugs before patching, but it is also something that the consumers have shown that they are willing to accept - as long as they get the features (one of them going to 3D). There are loads of franchises that have alot bigger problems and that are alot less successful than Civilization.

My prediction: 1 more expansion in about 6-8 months (in time for Xmas?), maybe a patch for Warlords between now and then, and a patch for the next expansion thereafter, then you'll be playing Civ on consoles only.

Again, it's not that simple. PC's and consoles are very different markets, with very different demographics. As long as there is a buck to be made on PC strategy titles we'll see them around for sure.

 

[vilemerchant]

Certainly there's absolutely no chance for civ on a console unless you've got a HD capable TV. Imagine civ in 640x480 res I think you'd have a headache in about 3 minutes.

 

[Sisko]

My prediction is that civ 4 is the last they'll make for the PCs. They might squeeze out another expansion pack just to get the revenue, but we should all enjoy the sunset on this great series.

The sad fact is that they messed up big time moving to 3D on this one. The non-standard hardware profiles of PC games meant that they needed a LOT more testing before they released their software, testing they decided they couldn't afford.

Now, 6 months in, they're rushing out an expansion to get more cashflow so they can keep the machine rolling, but they still haven't sorted out the technical problems, nor have they demonstrated that they can release even as simple an expansion as this bug-free.

My prediction: 1 more expansion in about 6-8 months (in time for Xmas?), maybe a patch for Warlords between now and then, and a patch for the next expansion thereafter, then you'll be playing Civ on consoles only.

EW

CIV5 exclusivly on console? What have you been smoking, they would never do that. Not unless the console has a keybord and a mouse.

And messed up because of 3D?? Sure they have some bugs, every game has bgs, it's a sad reality. But besides that. I have been playing civilization since 1992, first one: very addictive couldn't stopplaying, second one: very addictive couldn't stop playing. civ3: somewhat addictive, but in the end it gets annoying when your new cities in the new world (ie far away from capital) hardly grow at al with corruption. Easy to stop playing then.
Civ 4: Finally a worthy successor to civ2. Bugs aside, this version of civilization is the best version around. Definately beats civ3.
(would wish they had put more things in the expansion though)

 

[Dearmad]

There will always be PC games as long as there are PCs... ther's a niche and a business will fill it.

 

[Tarkhan]

Certainly there's absolutely no chance for civ on a console unless you've got a HD capable TV. Imagine civ in 640x480 res I think you'd have a headache in about 3 minutes.

The Xbox 360, and newer consoles support HD now, but either way, strategy games simply don't port well. Controllers are just too infuriating.

PC and Console hardware are also getting closer and closer. The fact that a PC has to run an OS as well as the game, has always held the PC capability a bit behind consoles, but the newer consoles are becoming more like a PC, in that they require more complex software running beneath the games.

When Xbox live comes out on PC this winter, we'll see which is mightier, gamepad or the mouse. I think the Xboxers are in for a shock, myself.

Its the same old rule of consoles "I can roxxor my friends because they don't have the console" except turned around. We all hated the one guy who played GoldenEye 64 for hours, and smacked us PC-owners around. Time for some vengeance.

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