[R&F] New civ on the horizon! Abilities?

[Wingednosering]

Avoided the spoiler in the title for those that care. Looks like the latest video has all but confirmed Lautaro of the Mapuche.

As one of many fanatics that doesn't know much about them, what can we expect from their civ abilities? Could they be the cultural civ we've been missing?

Discuss.

[EDIT]: Might as well discuss the Zulu and the Scots here too, since they seem to be confirmed now. Is there any way to make the Zulu more interesting? Maybe something like:

LA: Death of Nandi - Great people (or dark ages?) provide a +5 combat boost for 5 turns after use.
UA: +1 movement to all combat units in Golden Ages?
UD: Ikhanda (inevitable)
UU - Impi (inevitable)

Given that we 'probably' know all three remaining civs now, my money is on the Mapuche being the culture civ after all.

 

[DeutschDachs]

From Wikipedia alone it seems hard to put any sort of profile together. They were good at weaving and after the Spanish arrived became skilled with silver. Maybe some sort of trade bonus?

They had a religion which seems enough for Firaxis to give religious bonuses

They rebelled against the Spanish so maybe some bonus to defending its borders?

The wiki article mentions they were known for their "Clava" hand club which makes me think they'll get a warrior replacement.

Their Chemamulls were giant funerary statues made from wood and marked the graves of the dead. Perhaps a UI and gives faith/culture

 

[Uberfrog]

Lautaro is very much defined by his resistance to the Spanish conquest. He served as a page for the Conquistadores when under captivity and used the secrets he acquired when fighting against them. He also introduced horses to the Mapuche army. However Genghis Khan would seem to have earmarked both of those abilities.

 

[Siptah]

I think we‘ll see a defensive cultural civ.

Leader gives a bonus for fighting near your
cities.

Civ ability is that other civs get less tourists from your civ making it much harder to win a CV against a Mapuche civ.

 

[ferretbacon]

Lautaro is very much defined by his resistance to the Spanish conquest. He served as a page for the Conquistadores when under captivity and used the secrets he acquired when fighting against them. He also introduced horses to the Mapuche army. However Genghis Khan would seem to have earmarked those abilities.

Militaristic leader who uses inside information to take advantage of his enemies and is known for utilizing horses? Yeah, that is rather like Genghis when you put it in those terms.

 

[DJ_Tanner]

They seem like a good fit to get some emergency bonus. I mean that would have to be totally secondary, since it is so far out of the player control, but I think they could make a great fit for this as a 'feature showcase civ'.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Are there any alternatives to Lautaro though? It looks very much like him, but that doesn't mean we should rule out other options.

 

[Wingednosering]

I think we‘ll see a defensive cultural civ.

Leader gives a bonus for fighting near your
cities.

Civ ability is that other civs get less tourists from your civ making it much harder to win a CV against a Mapuche civ.

Hoping not. I had Ashanti marked out as a defensive cultural civ. Doubt there would be two.

The wiki article mentions they were known for their "Clava" hand club which makes me think they'll get a warrior replacement.

Their Chemamulls were giant funerary statues made from wood and marked the graves of the dead. Perhaps a UI and gives faith/culture

I've seen these mentioned as well, but that UI sounds awfully similar to the Kurgan for Scythia.

 

[DeutschDachs]

I suppose another UU option could be a Machi. They gained some notoriety amongst the LGBT community because they are essentially gender fluid due to their spiritual transformation and communication with the spiritual world.

As shamans (shamen?) they were in charge of religious ceremony and medicinal healing. They could be a unique medic unit who can provide faith or perhaps a unique religious unit who can heal military units?

 

[NegativeZero]

I think we'll be seeing a cultural civ which plays nice with the loyalty mechanic.

LA: normal loyalty generation during dark ages and higher then normal loyalty generation during golden/heroic ages.

UU: Clava sword replacement that decreases the loyalty of cities on kills or increases Mapuche's loyalty over nearby cities.
Instead of gaining Warmonger points for captures, just flip cities faster.

UI: Built on rainforests: provides culture, negates the negative appeal of rainforest tile, and housing.

 

[Siptah]

UI: Built on rainforests: provides culture, negates the negative appeal of rainforest tile, and housing.

The territory of the Mapuche is not primarily rainforest. It would feel strange to me if they got a bonus on that type of terrain.

 

[Sagax]

Inca slayers: -1 Amenity to each CivFanatics member that was hoping for Inca.

I just hope they are not purely militaristic. Don’t know as much about Mapuche, so I’ll be excited either way.

 

[Uberfrog]

Inca slayers: -1 Amenity to each CivFanatics member that was hoping for Inca.

I'm not disappointed by the inclusion of the Mapuche, as long as the Inca show up eventually.

It's a sad fact that the relatively small representation from some continents leads to the addition of exciting and interesting newcomers at the expense of important regional powers that by rights should be staples.

We wouldn't see the inclusion of the Khmer meaning that China doesn't appear, nor the addition of the Netherlands at the expense of Germany. So there should be plenty of room for the Mapuche to coexist with the Inca.

 

[ChocolateShake]

I think they'll be the cultural civ. Reading their wiki, it says they liked settling near rivers and on hills as opposed to plains/terraces. I think they'll get some hills-related bonus. I'm pretty sure they'll be the first civ I play, still deciding between them and Georgia or Korea. My guess is though they'll have some interesting bonuses that might make them the civ I want to play first. They'll probably be cultural/defensive, maybe the female shamans will be their UU? Would be a nice twist.

I think Inca will still make it in, I think if the Mapuche don't get many hills-related bonuses that means the Inca are planned for in the future. Though they might figure out a way to give them related but unique bonuses.

 

[Phrozen]

UA could be something similar to Ethiopia's in Civ V since they fought off the Incas, then the Spanish, and finally the Chileans until the late 19th century.

 

[Guandao]

Are there any alternatives to Lautaro though? It looks very much like him, but that doesn't mean we should rule out other options.

Maybe a Tehuelche leader? They were indigenous to the Pampas of Argentina. Many of their leaders wear similar headbands to the Mapuche. They were heavily influenced by the Mapuche after European contact. Their language is extinct though unlike Mapuche.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/r-f-cultural-styles-preview-in-asset-editor.626947/
Is their any reason why we couldn't discuss the possibilities of Scotland in here as well?

 

[Ever Adrift]

I'm not disappointed by the inclusion of the Mapuche, as long as the Inca show up eventually.

It's a sad fact that the relatively small representation from some continents leads to the addition of exciting and interesting newcomers at the expense of important regional powers that by rights should be staples.

We wouldn't see the inclusion of the Khmer meaning that China doesn't appear, nor the addition of the Netherlands at the expense of Germany. So there should be plenty of room for the Mapuche to coexist with the Inca.

I largely agree with you - and this is partially a byproduct of the games (unnecessary, imo) Eurocentrism. At the same time, I'm increasingly excited as we are beginning to see more 'new' and less popularly well-known (I'll stay away from significance arguments!) civilizations. This means we may get more civs from Africa, Asia and Oceania that have yet to appear in a civ game.

 

[Wingednosering]

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/r-f-cultural-styles-preview-in-asset-editor.626947/
Is their any reason why we couldn't discuss the possibilities of Scotland in here as well?

Might as well, updated the OP.

 

[Guandao]

I largely agree with you - and this is partially a byproduct of the games (unnecessary, imo) Eurocentrism. At the same time, I'm increasingly excited as we are beginning to see more 'new' and less popularly well-known (I'll stay away from significance arguments!) civilizations. This means we may get more civs from Africa, Asia and Oceania that have yet to appear in a civ game.

I'm ok with that. Though if you've noticed my Civ wishlist, you'll see I have a lot of non-veteran Civs.