NEW GAME - Apocalypse

[Game_Addy]

Cool cool. Sorry about the absence of the past day. Forgot my darned power cord while in the city. But looks like teams are already picked, as well as settings. Epic/Marathon games are good with me, though as noted, they do give a long start.

Edit: I have school to about 2:00 M-W, and until 5:00 TH. On M-W, I'll probably have to work by around 4:00, but that should be about the only big restriction besides normal work on the weekends.

 

[Arangarx]

Maybe it would be better to go with normal speed...I was unsure of some of the effects of the game speed, but based on people's responses it looks like normal will last quite long enough.

 

[Shogu]

Normal Speed 500 turns , Epic 1000 i guess, so twice as much time

 

[Ulfang]

I like the sound of Epic then Anyone would think people actually want to finish a game

 

[Trainwreck20]

As long as we have at least a few 'adv. start' points, I am fine with Epic....I just hate spending a month or something waiting for your first new unit...

 

[Ulfang]

As long as we have at least a few 'adv. start' points, I am fine with Epic....I just hate spending a month or something waiting for your first new unit...

Good point. I'm happy to go with normal if that's what the majority want or advanced start. As long as the majority are in agreement....

Also does anyone know of a complete list of Civs upto BTS? Not for the individual games but a complete list combined? I'm playing China in a Vanilla CIV PBEM and it will be confusing if I'm China again as I was asking for a random start. Chances are low but knowing my luck....

 

[Port16]

You can find the ones added to BTS here:
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/bts/

Here are the original 18 for Vanilla:
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/info/#Empires

Hope that helps.

 

[Ulfang]

You can find the ones added to BTS here:
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/bts/

Here are the original 18 for Vanilla:
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/info/#Empires

Hope that helps.

Ah ok I thought there might be a complete list of every one as Warlords added a few as well like Vikings and Celts. I'll just work it out from the instruction booklets when I get home.

 

[Trainwreck20]

At home, I have a nice spreadsheet with all the civs cross indexed with their traits, and a list of the UU and UB. Of course, it is at home .

 

[Ulfang]

At home, I have a nice spreadsheet with all the civs cross indexed with their traits, and a list of the UU and UB. Of course, it is at home .

Yea ... erm .. thanks Trainwreck

 

[Trainwreck20]

I do have a less useful list of leaders with their traits...

Alexander - Aggressive - Philosophical
Asoka - Organized - Spiritual
Augustus Caesar - Imperialistic - Industrious
Bismark - Expansive - Industrious
Boudica - Charismatic - Aggressive
Brennus - Charismatic - Spiritual
Catherine - Creative - Imperialistic
Charlamagne - Protective - Imperialistic
Churchill - Charismatic - Protective
Cyrus - Charismatic - Imperialistic
Darius I - Financial - Organized
DeGaulle - Industrious - Charismatic
Elizabeth - Philosophical - Financial
Frederick - Philosophical - Organized
Gandhi - Philosophical - Spiritual
Genghis Khan - Aggressive - Imperialistic
Gilgamesh - Creative - Protective
Hammurabi - Aggressive - Organized
Hannibal - Financial - Charismatic
Hatshepsup - Spiritual - Creative
Huayna Capac - Industrious - Financial
Isabella - Spiritual - Expansive
Joao II - Imperialistic - Expansive
Julius Caesar - Organized - Imperialistic
Justinian I - Spiritual - Imperialistic
Kublai Khan - Aggressive - Creative
Lincoln - Philosophical - Charismatic
Louis XIV - Industrious - Creative
Mansa Musa - Spiritual - Financial
Mao Zedong - Expansive - Protective
Mehmed II - Expansive - Organized
Montezuma - Aggressive - Spiritual
Napoleon - Organized - Charismatic
Pacal II - Expansive - Financial
Pericles - Philosophical - Creative
Peter - Philosophical - Expansive
Qin Shi Huang - Industrious - Protective
Ragnar - Aggressive - Financial
Ramesses II - Spiritual - Industrious
Roosevelt - Organized - Industrious
Saladin - Spiritual - Protective
Shaka - Aggressive - Expansive
Sitting Bull - Philosophical - Protective
Stalin - Aggressive - Industrious
Suleiman - Philosophical - Imperialistic
Suryavarman II - Expansive - Creative
Tokugawa - Aggressive - Protective
Victoria - Financial - Imperialistic
Wang Kon - Financial - Protective
Washington - Expansive - Charismatic
Willem Van Oranje - Financial - Creative
Zara Yaqob - Organized - Creative

 

[Shogu]

I can play epic with few adv start points

 

[Trainwreck20]

Leader/Trait Table

 

[Game_Addy]

Normal Speed 500 turns , Epic 1000 i guess, so twice as much time

And the buildings, units and wonders are also more expensive on epic, I think it's by a universal factor of 1.25, but can't say for sure.

 

[Ulfang]

Leader/Trait Table

I was after the Civ list rather than the leaders but it's nicely done I'm at home now so will look through the booklets.

 

[Arangarx]

Ok then. It seems that most are fine with epic as long as we get an advanced start. I originally put up a 300 point start. Does this seem good to everyone?

Also, thanks for all the extra info. I was wondering if things became more expensive in epic.

 

[Ulfang]

Don't know if 300 is good as I've never done an advanced start before but I find Epic much more enjoyable than normal and Marathon much more enjoyable than Epic. In single player at least it makes research more more realistic.

 

[Trainwreck20]

300 is probably just enough to build a city, maybe expand it to pop 2 or 3, and buy a unit, maybe two. That would help enormously to get the game going, although it is a very small number considering there are 8 players on a huge map and it is unlikely that we will be butting up against each other or anything. I think it is fine, since the 'click end, send email' for a month is solved by buying a couple units so you can do SOMETHING. Also, a size two or three city produces your intial builds much faster.

 

[Trainwreck20]

Okay, just tried it out, and on Epic, the basis costs are:
149 for a city
+49 for an extra population
+36 for a mine
+22 for a scout/warrior

You do not start with a settler or a warrior/scout, so a regular start is ~175 points, so you have about 125 extra points to play with. That rules out pretty much buying a tech, but you can boost your city one, get an extra unit, and maybe build one improvement (mine, farm, whatever). So it is not a huge boost to the start, but it will help out a bit. Also on the plus side, since you are presumably building just one city, you get a much better look at where to put it....you have an 8 by 8 or so 'cleared' area to look at.

 

[Trainwreck20]

Okay, how do you do four corners on a toroidal map ?