New Naval Civs Poll

[Haig]

I have a feeling that they will put content for Civ 6 longer than they did for previous civs.

They have already spread it to console and ipad, and I feel they have saved some fan favorites for 3rd xpac just like Phoeniciangold wrote.

Firaxis seem to take fan ideas into consideration so we could see Chola or Oman alongside Maya and Babylon..!

P.s. I like this thread, I hadnt heard about Chola dynasty and some others before and i have read about them now.

 

[awesome]

Yeah, especially since "chola" is usually talking about a different culture in the States than the Southeast Asian one.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I have a feeling that they will put content for Civ 6 longer than they did for previous civs.

They have already spread it to console and ipad, and I feel they have saved some fan favorites for 3rd xpac just like Phoeniciangold wrote.

Firaxis seem to take fan ideas into consideration so we could see Chola or Oman alongside Maya and Babylon..!

P.s. I like this thread, I hadnt heard about Chola dynasty and some others before and i have read about them now.

I'm actually on the fence about Chola myself. While I think they would be very interesting as a trading civ and the Dravidian/Tamil culture is different from the rest of India, I'm not sure if they would be included as a separate civ.

At their greatest extent they ruled most of India, and they did so long enough that their culture is part of "India." Religiously they share a lot with India as well. So the more I consider them, the more I believe the Chola might be better implemented as a naval leader for India. It depends on whether we ultimately get three leaders for some civs, but I expect if India ever gets a third leader it will be a Chola king.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Yeah, especially since "chola" is usually talking about a different culture in the States than the Southeast Asian one.

Yeah and Tamil doesn't quite resonate either. But if they make it a third Indian leader they don't have to go there.

Uttama Deva would be a great third alt leader.

 

[awesome]

My bad, I think I was actually thinking of Champa instead of Chola...who probably stands a better chance than Chola anyway.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

My bad, I think I was actually thinking of Champa instead of Chola...who probably stands a better chance than Chola anyway.

Meh, I don't think so. I think they are about equal, given that they co-occupied with India and Khmer. I think Burma or Siam are much more likely to appear first since there is less geographic overlap.

So far they have been selecting geographically distinct polities, only making exceptions for massive sprawling empires. And honestly, even the sprawling empires can still be localized to unique regions: Arabia, Macedonia, Iran, Mongolia, Turkey, Italy. I get the sense they are filling out the map first before they start cramping new civs into Asia.

 

[TahamiTsunami]

Obviously I'd like to have all of them if we could, I wish I could vote for all of them!

I voted for the Swahili since they have a lot of potential ideas that could be used in their design. Barghash bin Said (I'd say he still technically counts as a Swahili leader) seems like the best choice to lead them. I wouldn't mind Oman either though to give the Arabian peninsula some more love.

I voted for the Haida mainly because we could definitely use a naval NA civ. While I do think the Haida would be a cool addition, I think that the Tlingit or the Nuu-chah-nulth would probably be better choices. They may not have had the same 'Vikings of the Pacific Northwest' reputation but they'd still have options for naval or at least amphibious gameplay plus they (as far as I know right now) have more noteworthy leaders.

I could potentially change my votes if I find out more about the other choices and I admit you've got me very curious about a naval Irish civ. I still really like Brian Boru but Grace O'Malley sounds like an interesting leader and I can't help but wonder what the UU would be!

I'd love to see an Hawaiian civ though I'm wondering how their civ design can compete with the Maori and the other naval civs now!

 

[Krajzen]

I vote for Chola, because I support any kind of Indian split, this subcontinent could easily be split between like 12 separate distinctive civilisations for all them to make sense and be interesting. Of course that's unreasonable to request in as single civ game, but I still think Indian subcontinent should be represented by like 2-3 civs and 3-4 leaders per game instead of just "India". Oh, and also: Chola is awesome.

I vote for Swahilli because it is very cool and IMO should be in civ series since civ4, along Etiopia and Mali.

I don't vote for Haida because after researching them I found them very unimpressive. Seriously, it's just a small tribe with nice art, they don't have any spectacular historical achievements, they spent their entire history just... being in their corner and fighting neighboring tribes, then were annexed by US. Gee, what an amazing civilisation to stand against China and Rome. If you people wanna make civ of any tribal society with nice artwork then why them instead of 5000 other minor tribes? Every culture by definition is unique and interesting, and all of them do something nice or cool and are experts of survival in their environment, that doesn't mean they should be turned into playable empires if they did nothing of historical (not anthropological) importance.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I vote for Chola, because I support any kind of Indian split, this subcontinent could easily be split between like 12 separate distinctive civilisations for all them to make sense and be interesting. Of course that's unreasonable to request in as single civ game, but I still think Indian subcontinent should be represented by like 2-3 civs and 3-4 leaders per game instead of just "India". Oh, and also: Chola is awesome.

I vote for Swahilli because it is very cool and IMO should be in civ series since civ4, along Etiopia and Mali.

I don't vote for Haida because after researching them I found them very unimpressive. Seriously, it's just a small tribe with nice art, they don't have any spectacular historical achievements, they spent their entire history just... being in their corner and fighting neighboring tribes, then were annexed by US. Gee, what an amazing civilisation to stand against China and Rome. If you people wanna make civ of any tribal society with nice artwork then why them instead of 5000 other minor tribes? Every culture by definition is unique and interesting, and all of them do something nice or cool and are experts of survival in their environment, that doesn't mean they should be turned into playable empires if they did nothing of historical (not anthropological) importance.

I've seen a Tamilian redditor say that they support a Tamil leader for India. I'm actually for the idea the more I think about it, because of a general lack of iconic Tamil architecture that isn't yet another temple unique, and the fact that of the non-Portugal maritime civs I think the devs will go with a trader civ that didn't co-occupy with India before they decide to start cramming more onto that subcontinent. For example, there is nothing pressing up against Swahili territory right now, and they have a clearer UB option in coral stone houses.

It's not ideal, but in a roster that will always be limited by development resources, I would rather have the Chola represented in some form than not at all. And the fact is that India could support a naval/trading civ, which in fact would synergize very well with the Chola. The Chola benefit from having a base civ reflecting their religious heritage. And India benefits from having a trade-based leader reflecting its long history as a naval trade center.

 

[awesome]

Every culture by definition is unique and interesting, and all of them do something nice or cool and are experts of survival in their environment, that doesn't mean they should be turned into playable empires if they did nothing of historical (not anthropological) importance.

You could say that about some of the civilizations that have been in the games, too, though.
The Zulu, for example, were a tribe founded by some guy. A little over 100 years later, another guy became their chief and started fighting some other local group. Less than 100 years after that, the only other leader they ever had worth mentioning died after losing to the British. His successor was a teenager who wasn't even recognized by the British as a real king.
The Haida at least had war canoes.