New PBEM - 8 players!
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MarkyParky
Chieftain
Genghis_Kai
GEM modder
You are underestimating nowadays bots, no problem to parse email from this.
What I think I've done correct is that I have captured attention for the change of email address for Fanda
Turn out to Japan.
@Fanda please confirm arrival. I will check in the morning tomorrow and can resend in case.
@Kai: before you fire questions on me... I took Paris & Nancy. Furhter i wiped half of french fleet in mediterranean without one loss (thanks to my bombers). I've seen you bombed my oil im romania though russian didn't gave permission. I'm curious whats comming next now
@Fanda please confirm arrival. I will check in the morning tomorrow and can resend in case.
@Kai: before you fire questions on me... I took Paris & Nancy. Furhter i wiped half of french fleet in mediterranean without one loss (thanks to my bombers). I've seen you bombed my oil im romania though russian didn't gave permission. I'm curious whats comming next now
Genghis_Kai
GEM modder
Good work. But the war has only just started 
I have to say I am a bit disappointed with my Allies performance. If he did what I advised him, he probably wouldn't lost so severely. For example, I created a safety shelter for his fleet in Med (Malta) and he didn't use it. Further more, French/Chinese team should play more diplomatically. Right on the first turn, I have warned him Russia will attack China from the back within 3 turns and he should negotiate something with Russia and/or Japan. I doubt he has even tried anything.
The result is now, he is enemy of everyone. So sorry Philip, there is no chance I can save you. The only place you could have left is Sub Sahara. So my last advise is, retreat to there and build up your base again.
I have to say I am a bit disappointed with my Allies performance. If he did what I advised him, he probably wouldn't lost so severely. For example, I created a safety shelter for his fleet in Med (Malta) and he didn't use it. Further more, French/Chinese team should play more diplomatically. Right on the first turn, I have warned him Russia will attack China from the back within 3 turns and he should negotiate something with Russia and/or Japan. I doubt he has even tried anything.
The result is now, he is enemy of everyone. So sorry Philip, there is no chance I can save you. The only place you could have left is Sub Sahara. So my last advise is, retreat to there and build up your base again.
Bastian-Bux
King
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Something completely different: it has come to my attention that some battles, especially fighter battles are repeatedly won "despite very low chances". Or to call the kid by its name: reloading till the fight is won. I wont call names or such, but could we please leave this kind of cheating out of the game? I hope everyone would appreciate this, and thus there is no need to discuss this much. This is a game between adults (I think) and such should follow the basic rules of common sense.
There was no no fighter coverage for his fleet. Just one or 2 destroyers damaged bombers. Je splitted his fleet. So this was easy for me. His whole fleet on one place had caused more damage to me.
Paris took me some good units
. But i think it was worth the losses. Actually i avoided fighter battles this time. I just made 2 hits on london and than canceled my attacks.
Paris took me some good units
. But i think it was worth the losses. Actually i avoided fighter battles this time. I just made 2 hits on london and than canceled my attacks. Dazz_G
Emperor
With regards to France / China, I offered him a chance for peace before the game started, so I don't know how Kai knew with such certainty that I would attack China - must have a crystal ball, but never received any answer from him so I changed my plans and attacked.
As for Britain going ahead with their bombing raids from Russian territory ....
I made my stance VERY clear with regards to anyone using Russian territory to launch attacks on countries with which Russia remains neutral. Despite this, British arrogance won and they proceeded with their attacks.
All diplomatic links with Britain and her allies are now at an end and we shall do what we need to do to end all agreements already in place with them.
As for Britain going ahead with their bombing raids from Russian territory ....
I made my stance VERY clear with regards to anyone using Russian territory to launch attacks on countries with which Russia remains neutral. Despite this, British arrogance won and they proceeded with their attacks.
All diplomatic links with Britain and her allies are now at an end and we shall do what we need to do to end all agreements already in place with them.
Dazz_G
Emperor
By the way, this is the first time I have been able to log on to CFC in 2-3 days ... anyone else had any problems ?
Genghis_Kai
GEM modder
I tried to keep this privately for both of our benefits and you have to make this public. Alright then. Let me lay out the history to everyone:
1. Britain and Russia negotiated open border. NOTHING has mentioned about not being able to use airports from opposite sides. Given that this is the default of Civ4, it is obvious that the agreement includes it.
2. Britain also asked Russia if Russia is intended to open border with Germany. Russia promised NO, at least in the near future.
3. Britain and Russia signed the open border.
4. Britain based some aircraft in Russia's border.
5. Russia all at a sudden jumped up and complaint about it, request Britain to leave immediately.
6. Britain promised to leave on March, one turn delay.
7. Russia refused and threaten to open border with Germany.
8. Britain ignores the threat, but has promised once again to leave on March.
The fact is, you tricked me by giving me an impression that I can use your airports, and then when I use them, you asked me to leave immediately, not even a one turn notice. I really wonder who is arrogant in here? If I have to lose the game because of this, so be it.
One more i want to point out here. I'm not sure if this is due bad performance or just the szenario itself. I really dont know what france can do. This move of his fleet was first real mistake i've seen from him. On the other hand he sunk 3BS and 3Destroyers of italian fleet before, with exactly this fleet he lost there now. So the losses are almost equal.
The advances in france itself cant be stopped by any means. The superiority of the german troops is amazing. Almost all troops attacking paris were knocked and still i had all battles with >65% chance, except the first 3 or 4 units with City Garrison and this british AntiTank
mad, which took me most of my losses. But what he can do, except waiting in his cities to get wiped 
. Not much. For counterattacks i didnt open him any weak-points. If you had used your bombers to attack my troops, instead of bombing improvements, paris would be still french.And I think you are not in the posiotion to give any hints on "diplomatic behaviour".
Your "russian move", was an example of diplomatic desaster. 
Genghis_Kai
GEM modder
OK. It could be my fault. I shouldn't comment on anyone's ability. Sorry.
But I have use all the bombers available in London to bomb your troops. Those bombers that I've been tricked to be located in Russia will not be fast enough to relocate to help.
But I have use all the bombers available in London to bomb your troops. Those bombers that I've been tricked to be located in Russia will not be fast enough to relocate to help.
Well this is the delicous case of "small written on backside of the contract". Might be your are right, from technical point of view. But it could have been obvious to you, that as long russia is not at war with germany they cannot agree to launch bombings from its territory towards germany. The only chance for germany to stop this, is to declare war on russia and kill your bombers directly. And this is the tricky point, this war is exactly what russia NOT wants (at least for now). So you bring your trade partner into serious trouble with your actions.
Example: what do you think would Russia do today in real, if NATO launch attacks from chinese ground towards russia?
So you simply could have opened your intensions to russia before you move your bombers.
Adhesive86
Warlord
Yeah I've had some issues too. You're not alone! Ok last night though.
Maybe it's a British thing?!
Genghis_Kai
GEM modder
Well this is the delicous case of "small written on backside of the contract". Might be your are right, from technical point of view. But it could have been obvious to you, that as long russia is not at war with germany they cannot agree to launch bombings from its territory towards germany. The only chance for germany to stop this, is to declare war on russia and kill your bombers directly. And this is the tricky point, this war is exactly what russia NOT wants (at least for now). So you bring your trade partner into serious trouble with your actions.
Example: what do you think would Russia do today in real, if NATO launch attacks from chinese ground towards russia?
Oh come on, this can't be "small writing on the back", this is civ4 ABC!
And you can't compare real world with Civ4. Let me give you examples in our game. I wouldn't imagine Turkey will require Germany to ask for permissive now to bomb Britain through his land. I also wouldn't expect Japan to ask for my permissive to use my cities to bomb China. Open border has its meaning in Civ4 and when we sign open border, we should be aware of it.
But look, I think you are right in one thing. I shouldn't comment on France's diplomacy. I am not good either.
I have been keep telling myself this is only a game so I shouldn't get too emotional
I would
Yes the game engine does not allow to put several levels of open borders. But this even more demands communication
.Ace of Spades
GEM Fanboy
As to the diplomatic dilemma between Russia and Britain, I just hope none of us do take such things personally. After all, diplomacy, as part of this game, will always contain trickery, deceit and stalling as well as openness and honest deals.
There is no morality in this game, and no public opinion. We do not need reasons to cancel deals or declare war on each other than percieved strategic opportunity or simply "feeling like it" - therefore, it is rather pointless to discuss who is "right". In the end, the one who was right will be the one left standing.
I just hope you all percieve it the same way, and no one will be mad at each other on the player-level for being backstabbed in the game. Otherwise, we should probably have played a game with fixed teams.
Best Regards,
Martin
There is no morality in this game, and no public opinion. We do not need reasons to cancel deals or declare war on each other than percieved strategic opportunity or simply "feeling like it" - therefore, it is rather pointless to discuss who is "right". In the end, the one who was right will be the one left standing.
I just hope you all percieve it the same way, and no one will be mad at each other on the player-level for being backstabbed in the game. Otherwise, we should probably have played a game with fixed teams.
Best Regards,
Martin
