New Scenario requires playtesting . . .

[germanos]

Guys, I will be going on a trip this Tuesday, and will be away for a day or 10.

Could we hold the game, or should I let a sub play?
With the war going on, I would prefer to hold the game. To much can change that I can foresee.
On the other hand I can imagine you guys don't want to stall the game, and I could foresee quite a lot.

Please vent your opinions on it here.

Case: Sorry to hear the Boer are still a pain. I updated the map accordingly.

Gameplay
The French transfer of Makassar was delayed for perfectly good personal reasons. Sorry for me being so impatient Eivind. Due to my trip it will take some time before the transfer can take place, but let it be known to all that Makassar is US territory,and that there is no dispute between France and US.

 

[Pavlov]

Hello yall.

If you choose to let the game continue, I'll be the guy who subs for germanos. I've been lurking in these forums for some time so I know the history in this thread. Also, I am in the second PBEM of this at Apolyton. So if it's up to me, I'd say let the game stop while germanos is gone because playing two versions of the sam game would make my brain hurt.

 

[Case]

Given the rate that this game moves, I don't think that we'll need to either hold the game or get a sub. If we keep playing it will be Germanos's turn by the time that he gets back

 

[germanos]

OK, i will be back in a week+.
See you guys soon

Germanos

 

[Pavlov]

EDIT: Oh, nevermind. Saw the PM now. *Pavlov dissolves into the shadows*

 

[Case]

Darius, it's your turn

 

[Tracid00]

ok, looks like nobody is willing to sub for me, i suggest to let the japanese player play my turns.

 

[Yop73]

Sorry, I'm going on vacation myself from 1 august till 10 august. So I can't sub for you.
Why don't we wait till everybody is back, and continue then?

Yop

 

[Eivind IV]

Whoops! I am going away from the 11th to the 19th. This can cause some problems. Well, it is summer, so all this travelling should be expected. Have a nice summer everybody!

 

[Darius]

Sorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorry!!!

For reasons that were completely my fault, this week I was grounded from everything under the sun. Obviously this included my internet access, and I didn't even get a chance to tell anyone. Furthermore it included my car, so I couldn't even get to a library computer unless I was prepared for an hour-long bike trek. Even if I would have done that, we went out of town to our cabin (actually I was forced to come with), and I of course couldn't tell anyone. Anyhow, after a week of sucking up I got my stuff back, so here I am.

Upon realization that American forces just conquered Crete out of nowhere, after I had emptied it and claimed it as well, I was confused. I did not know if Russia and the U.S. were at war, as Germanos simply wrote vague references such as "act act as [the U.S.] sees fit" and "kinda no relation at all". But this sudden and deliberate attack cannot be considered the action of neutrality, and therefore Russia has had no choice to declare war on the U.S., simply to make the situation clear. You cannot simply conquer a major nation's land and say you are technically not at war.

Your great leader Monroe was really getting somewhere when he suggested the Western Hemisphere be the American sphere of influence to be left alone by the European powers. On the other hand, I believe that it is inconsistent for America to in the meantime feel as though it can do whatever it wants in the Eastern Hemisphere, but no matter. Apparently Russia will have to educate them, even if it must be done alone.

Our first action in the Russo-American war were to annihilate all of the American forces on Crete, which were tallied as an infantry division of 25,000 men, a convoy of trade freights, and the small assortment of steamships that had transported them.

Also, a Russian warship on its way back to St. Petersburg after unloading several freights into Canadian cities managed to sink a cluster of American ships carrying freight off Bermuda.

As I have said before, Russia has no hope for war, but we will not stand idly by while America takes whatever it wants. It is my stated mission for Russia to by any means necessary drive all American troops and ships from all of the Eastern Hemisphere, and leave them to the North and South American prerogatives they themselves have historically committed themselves to.

As Russia and the U.S. are on opposite sides of the globe, I do not understand what the President hopes to gain from a war, but regardless he will get what he had asked for.

I have little interest in America's reaction to this, but I do anxiously await the reactions of Britain and France. I hope that even though you are allied to the U.S., you can still acknowledge that at the moment Russia is only fighting a defensive war.

 

[Case]

Responce to Russian Actions

As Britain's alliance with the United States is of a defencive nature only, we do not see ourselves as being bound to enter a war with Russia at this point.

The British Government bases this stance on the earlier Russian statement:

BTW I emptied Candia this turn, please don't occupy it Case. That goes for the rest of you; consider Crete Russian territory with a garrison simply en route, and therefore attacking it will be attacking Russia.

Based on this statement it is clear that the United States Government understood that it's actions were that of an agressor.

As a result, Britain will remain neutral in this conflict. However, the British government is willing to offer its' services in negotiating peace between the great nations of Russia and the United States.

 

[Darius]

I offer my thanks, and I probably will use your mediator services, and the U.S. officially does not acknowledge us according to an earlier statement. As I have no ambition of actual conquest, this war should be very short anyhow.

 

[germanos]

(sort of)

I have very limited access to internet currently, but that seems to be no problem for the next few weks with everybody gone.

On the Crete-incident:

The US does not recall the statement quoted by Britain on Russian claims of Crete being Russian territory.
The message from where this quote comes from has been edited yesterday by Darius, but it could well be that the claim was there originally, although we doubt it. The US only recalls Russian news on emptying the Pirates sheltering on Crete. Anyhow, the US took it since it was still an Oriental city.

The US is not afraid of Russia and its pityfull army and state of technology. The war will be unlikely to be short, since the US will retaliate the agression in international waters in the mediterranian and of the coast of the US.

 

[Darius]

After I edited that post I realized that it might look suspicious. When I started my turn and saw that Crete had been taken, I looked at the post to make sure I said what I thought I had, and it was there. However, I saw a typo while reading the old one and edited it (from "Whil nothing spectacular" to "While nothing spectacular"). I am a real stickler about editing typos and such weeks after the fact, which you can see by looking at many of my posts on this and other threads; I continually find typos and edit them all the time. The fact that I looked at it on the same day as the turn was just a coincidence, and I guess I shouldn't have done it so suspicion didn't come up.

Anyhow, concerns about this are moot. It seems eventual war with the U.S. was inevitable given their President's continual hostile attitude. At one point at time such icy relations would have allowed another similar "incident" that would spark a war, so I just thought it would be convenient to take advantage of the first one when I have better circumstances. Let's just America will get what it wants.

 

[germanos]

New York Times

Tzar Darius a Liar !!
Russian reputation expected to plummet worldwide

(this message was writen in response to Darius denial of editing his post other than 'typos'. (as I have read on the 2nd of August) Ha! Typos my ass!)
Darius is asked to check if the posted save is the right one: the title looks weird and is probably from another game. If it is a wrong save, please post the savegame that is associated with your post in the thread.

The US has found proof of Tzar Darius treacherous ways and dealings. The words of this man can not be trusted, nor can any of his policies. We will present the evidence as provided by the Ministry of Information at the end of this article.
Due to the lack of access of the net, the posts as written before the holidays of VP Germanos, do not get 'refreshed'. Therefore he was able to see the original post by Darius on his browser, before the editing. From the post it is very clear that Russian actions against Crete were mentioned as a 'BTW', and Darius mentioned only that England should not occupy Crete ('please'). The smiley ending the post adds to further confusion on the full meaning of the last sentence. Note that there is no mention of the qoute on which the British Foreign Office based its position in the Crete-crisis: No mention of warning to other nations, and NOT EVEN mentioning the possibility of war between Russia and the UK if the UK would occupy Crete!

The US is baffled by the blatant lying of Russia, and that it had to add lies to the original one to cover up his actions. It is clear to the US no honour is within the heart of the Russian tzar, and that the Russian tzar will have to pay heavily for his crimes. What exactly will be demanded of Russia is expected to be announced by the US State-Departement later. Currently diplomats in Washington, London and Paris are conducting high level talks with the allies of the US, to gain support for the US-policy regarding the Russian agression and undiplomatic behavior which is a fart in the face of all civilized Nations.

The US-citizens owe a great gratitude to the leadership of VP Germanos, who was the first to acknowledge the untrustworthy nature of the Russian Tzar, and who has responded so adequately a few months ago on the news from Moscow involving the Russian warplans codenamed 'Pre-WW I'.
Dispite strong opposition from within the cabinet, who feared for international reprisals for the US militairy actions against Russia, he stood firm and followed his heart. Indeed the US actions were met with scepticism abroad, and the US had to put great effort in convincing the US actions were justified. If it had not been for the tzar's deputy Patient English, who gave the US a chance to improve his relations with Russia (as was recommended by the Allies of the US) the US might have well been put in a much more isolated spot as it does now. Following the return of the Tzar, the improved relations were ruthlessly dismissed by the tzar, which led to new tensions with the US.
Now that the tzar has shown his true face (or should we say: anus) to the whole Civilized World, common beleive among the US citizens is that the people of the world will unite against the evil tzar, and that the Allies will have no dealing with Russia anymore, untill Russia will have met with US demands.

The Russian tzar has put all this on himself. He should have opted for an honest and respectfull reply to the doubts that VP Germanos posted earlier, and confessed to his meddling with History. He should have also acted more honourably in the fist place,and not to result to editing his inadequate post at all. A fair and honest approach to the taking of Crete by the US would have not resulted in the wrath and disgust of the US, as it is vented in this post. The fact that the tzar has resulted in lying and meddling with previous information provided by Russia in the thread, does justify that Russia will compensate the US, and only a public apology for his behaviour will allow Russia to regain some respect from the world community.

The New York Times now prints the following Screenshot of the post that was made on the September1870 turn of Russia: (Note that the claimed 'typo' is not even there!).

 

[Darius]

All right already. I'll be honest. As I began the turn I had a lapse of memory and vaguely remembered in the back of my mind having occupied Crete after emptying it. So I played out my turn for about half an hour, and atop that I spent another twenty minutes writing my speech for the post with the savegame.

After I was completely finished, I suddenly realized afterward that I had in fact only emptied the city, and banged my head on the desk. Damn! I lazily didn't really feel like erasing the entire speech and redoing the entire turn, so I indeed just edited the old post and posted the savegame as-is.

Not only was this due to laziness on my part to not simply redo the turn, but I also recognized that given the U.S.' aggressive attitude toward me and Germanos' declaration that the two countries were to have no diplomatic relations, I knew that some other 'incident' in the near future would have sparked an inevitable war anyhow, so I took the risk to just post the original turn.

I will not be offended if the U.S.' reluctant allies now join America in its quest against Russia; they certainly do now have pretext, and I deserve whatever I get. Behold, the greatest foreign relations scandal in world history!

Now I'm just worried about whether this reputation will be tied on Darius the Imp1870 czar or Darius the player... :suicide:

 

[Case]

War with Russia!

In light of the Russian Government admiting to having altered British diplomatic archives [ ] in order to mislead the British government over the start of the Russian-American war, Britian has declared war on Russia.

News of the new war failed to spark any enthusiasm on the streets of Britain. This reflects the findings of a poll conducted by The Times which found that 60% of British believe that the war is 'unessesary'.

Taking heed of these findings, the British government has appealed to the Russians to accept peace terms before British soldiers occupy Russian cities.

 

[Case]

BTW Darius, it looks like you attached a file from a GNB game and not this one

 

[Darius]

WTH, I edited the file's attachment three times and it still went back to the old one every time! Anyway here's the right one.

 

[Eivind IV]

Hello everybody!

I am going away for some days now. Estimated time of arrival is thursday. I will play my turn then, and travel away again. Hopefully turns will take as long as they have until now, and my travelling will not affect the game.

By the way, an attack on the US is considered an attack on France. More of this will come when I return. But I really have little time now. They are shouting for me come come at this moment.

So long,

Eivind IV