New series: Ancient Anglo-Saxon

[Quinzy]

There are few notable examples of fortified stone walls in Celtic and Germanic areas. Palisade does seem to be the most common form, if the archaeology is to tell us anything.

And the introduction of Germanic paganism is indeed a strong element, if the funerary traditions are anything to go by.

And Plotinus, it must be noted that, at least in the 11th century in Ireland, the church had deviated to such an extent that the papcy had to appoint a continental Archbishop in Britain {Canterbury?} (where clergy went to be ordained, curiously, rather than in Armagh) to keep their practices in line with Rome.

As for the issue on London, thank you! I wasn't aware of that; my knowledge of London isn't that great I assumed, perhaps rashly, that the existance of a church equalled the existance of a populace; but you're right, they are exclusive

 

[Jerry'sGoldfish]

plotinus, i respect you as an intellectual, but i do not agree with your interpretation on findings.
there is always a trouble studying large cities of the dark ages, because the living is uninterrupted and the site occupied and reshaped till today. pallisade can burn, and it is really senseless to move out of a stone wall city and create your own pallisade village. if that happens it means that the saxons (i can give examples from elsewhere), or the occupying force had a different strategy than the locals. if the locals have a city, they have a militia and their own concept of defending this city and this is in wanted contradiction to the saxons.the saxons could of course let them defend thie city at their own cost, while retreating to a smaller and more defendeble wooden fort. the second aspect is a certain hostility between conqueres and conquered, the last ones beeing also highly organised. you cannot simply judge a city without having maps at leats every 30 years with findings from these particular generations. only than you can judge this city or any other. the simple fact of settleling outside a large city with large suburbs swallowed by the dark ages reveals this fear of rebellion. even today you cannot simply conquer a country without using inner forces, or at least the agreenment of some society classes. when the saxons came they first tried to interferre in local adversities, and than used religion to pose themselves as eliberators. i noticed the general trend of getting the native people out of the way, not only in england, but also elsewhere. i am pretty curious why english want to get rid of their british identity. i am sure genetical mapping will show us in the future the real developpment of peoples throughout history.

ps don't get me wrong but you should read what i write more carefully, if you are interested in arguing, because i noticed a certain lack of understanding what i wrote. maybe me english is bad, and i cannot explain my thoughts clearly, also know i am working in the field of medieval archelogy and i am not so simple put down by anyone who says anything. however i appreciate you didactical skill of setting a conversation and your interesting point of view.

nick i will answer to you aswell - i first reffered to kyriakos work in the term of anglo saxon city by the meaning of city in the anglo-saxon period. since saxon warlords and kings ruled the land they were interested to keep the cities running and gathering tribute - do not disturb the milk giving cow - in game - if the larger cities are romano-british, they should have these caracteristics, and if they are smaller and apart set from the larger settlement net they can have saxon caracteristics. i hope i cleared my message by now....

 

[MadGAD]

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[Kyriakos]

These no longer exist, but you could dl the ancient germanic set which is what i replaced them with.

If you definitely must have the anglo-saxon though you could pm Plotinus since it exists in his scenario (the Rood and the Dragon)