New terrain features

[Faustmouse]

I think at that tech level it would be much easier if you'd just have a giant shild around the whole moon to hold the air. So you need a building bevore you are able to terraform further than the lunar terrain.

 

[Hydromancerx]

the first vid was Precisely the movie i was thinking about only forgot it's name rofl

The Time Machine (2002)

And the second is from Cowboy Bebop.

 

[Raven Destroyer]

The Time Machine (2002)

And the second is from Cowboy Bebop.

Thanks

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

@Dancing Hoskuld

I was looking at the Planetfall mod and noticed it had some cool improvements we could use. Here are my proposals.

Sea Windmill
Graphic: Planetfall Sea Mill
Req Tech: Ecology
Req Terrain: Coast, Tropical Coast or Polar Coast

• +4
• +1 with Wireless Electricity
• +1 with Wireless Electricity
• +1 with Weather Control
• +2 with Weather Control
• +2 with Green Civic
• Pillage +10 On Average

Notes: Based on Desert Windmill

Tidal Harness
Graphic: Planetfall Tidal Harness
Req Tech: Ecology
Req Terrain: Coast, Tropical Coast or Polar Coast

• +2
• +2
• +1 with Wireless Electricity
• +1 with Wireless Electricity
• +1 with Weather Control
• +2 with Weather Control
• +2 with Green Civic
• Pillage +10 On Average

What do you think?

What affect will these have on features (sea grass, kelp, coral and reefs) and resources (fish etc.)?

Do we need an equivalent to nature preserve for sea grass, kelp and coral?

 

[ls612]

What affect will these have on features (sea grass, kelp, coral and reefs) and resources (fish etc.)?

Do we need an equivalent to nature preserve for sea grass, kelp and coral?

Another question, will the AI understand how to use these optimally? I'd assume so because it is able to use Oil rigs and such, but it would be nice to make sure.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Probably not, it does not build any of the new improvements we have at the moment! That is why I want to remove them - beacon, lighthouse and kelp/sea grass harvesters.

 

[ls612]

Probably not, it does not build any of the new improvements we have at the moment! That is why I want to remove them - beacon, lighthouse and kelp/sea grass harvesters.

That sounds like a very good idea for the moment if the AI is unable to use them. That would also mean that we should NOT make the new improvements Hydro suggested for now.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Well Koskling says they should be building them because the work boats just use the standard worker AI but they only improve resources and build routes they never improve features. It may be that the code for features is skipped because base BtS does not have any features in the sea. If that is the case then it could be an easy fix.

 

[ls612]

Well Koskling says they should be building them because the work boats just use the standard worker AI but they only improve resources and build routes they never improve features. It may be that the code for features is skipped because base BtS does not have any features in the sea. If that is the case then it could be an easy fix.

I can take a look at that sometime soon and see if it is an easy fix or not.

 

[rightfuture]

Probably not, it does not build any of the new improvements we have at the moment! That is why I want to remove them - beacon, lighthouse and kelp/sea grass harvesters.

Doesn't the planetfall mod (SMAC) already have AI code to do these things especially harvesters? Is it possible to just port it over instead of starting from scratch? Those features were from that mod right? Maniac said we could use anything of his and could probably ask for his input. I'm sure it's not that easy, but it might be useful and save you some time.

 

[Hydromancerx]

What affect will these have on features (sea grass, kelp, coral and reefs) and resources (fish etc.)?

Do we need an equivalent to nature preserve for sea grass, kelp and coral?

Sea Windmill should not have any effect since it stick up our of the water.

Tidal Harness on the other hand is under water so it might effect things. I suspect you would need to remove kelp for that. Sea Grass and Coal I am not so sure.

And yeah a sea nature preserve would be a good idea.

Probably not, it does not build any of the new improvements we have at the moment! That is why I want to remove them - beacon, lighthouse and kelp/sea grass harvesters.

Why would you want to remove those? I think the bean and lighthouse are great!

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Doesn't the planetfall mod (SMAC) already have AI code to do these things especially harvesters? Is it possible to just port it over instead of starting from scratch? Those features were from that mod right? Maniac said we could use anything of his and could probably ask for his input. I'm sure it's not that easy, but it might be useful and save you some time.

Terrain features. Those improvements from Planet Fall don't mention terrain features so they will probably work.

Sea Windmill should not have any effect since it stick up our of the water.

Tidal Harness on the other hand is under water so it might effect things. I suspect you would need to remove kelp for that. Sea Grass and Coal I am not so sure.

And yeah a sea nature preserve would be a good idea.



Why would you want to remove those? I think the bean and lighthouse are great!

The beacon and lighthouse are "cheats" since the AI wont build them. However there may be something the dll code designed to speed things up which is actually skipping these. We shall see.

 

[Raven Destroyer]

So just get open borders or the Civilian equivalent get your boats infront of their coasts and place them where they can

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Dancing Hoskuld

So I noticed in the "Mars Now!" mod that they have a terrain improvement called "Create Hill". However I did not see a "Make Flat" or anything so I wondered if it would be possible to add both of those to the game. In addition these would not be possible on normal Workers but to a Bulldozer and Terraformer units. Here are my ideas/requests.

Create Hill
Req Tech: Civil Engineering
- Can Be Made on Flatland Only
- Makes Flatland into a Hill of the same type of terrain
- Made by Bulldozer OR Terraformer

Create Peak
Req Tech: Megastucture Engineering
- Can Be Made on Hill Only
- Makes Hill into a Peak
- Made by Terraformer

Remove Peak
Req Tech: Megastucture Engineering
- Can Be Made on Peak Only
- Makes Peak into a Barren Hill
- Made by Terraformer

Remove Hill
Req Tech: Civil Engineering
- Can Be Made on Hill Only
- Makes Hill into Flatland of the Same Type
- Made by Bulldozer OR Terraformer

Martian

Martian Dunes -> Marian Desert -> Martian Rocky -> Martian Barren -> Barren -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush

Martian Ice -> Martian Permafrost -> Martian Barren -> Barren -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush

Martian Plains -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush

Terraform to Marian Desert
Req Tech: Planetary Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Martian Dunes Only
- Makes Marian Dunes into Marian Desert
- Made by Terraformer

Terraform to Marian Rocky
Req Tech: Planetary Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Martian Desert Only
- Makes Marian Desert into Marian Rocky
- Made by Terraformer

Terraform to Martian Permafrost
Req Tech: Planetary Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Martian Ice Only
- Makes Martian Ice into Martian Permafrost
- Made by Terraformer

Terraform to Martian Barren
Req Tech: Planetary Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Martian Rocky or Martian Permafrost
- Makes Martian Rocky or Martian Permafrost into Martian Barren
- Made by Terraformer

Lunar

Lunar Basalt -> Lunar Desert -> Lunar Rocky -> Lunar Barren -> Barren -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush

Lunar Plains -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush

Terraform to Lunar Desert
Req Tech: Lunar Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Lunar Basalt Only
- Makes Lunar Basalt into Lunar Desert
- Made by Terraformer

Terraform to Lunar Rocky
Req Tech: Lunar Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Lunar Desert Only
- Makes Lunar Desert into Lunar Rocky
- Made by Terraformer

Terraform to Lunar Barren
Req Tech: Lunar Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Lunar Rocky Only
- Makes Lunar Rocky into Lunar Barren
- Made by Terraformer

Earth

Salt Flats -> Dunes -> Desert -> Scrub -> Rocky -> Barren -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush

Ice -> Permafrost -> Tundra -> Barren -> Plains -> Grassland -> Lush

Marsh -> Muddy -> Lush

Terraform to Barren
Req Tech: ?
- Can Be Made on Martian Barren, Lunar Barren or Rocky or Tundra
- Makes Martian Barren or Lunar Barren or Rocky or Tundra into Barren
- Made by Terraformer

Notes: Martian Barren and Lunar Barren should be unlocked later.

Terraform to Plains
Req Tech: ?
- Can Be Made on Martian Plains or Lunar Plains or Barren
- Makes Martian Plains or Lunar Plains or Barren into Plains
- Made by Terraformer

Notes: Martian Plains and Lunar Plains should be unlocked later.

Vehicles

Bulldozer
Req Tech: Civil Engineering AND Motorized Transportation
Graphic: Here
Icon: ?
Req Resource: Automobile AND (Oil Products OR Biofuel)
Type: Worker
Strength: 20
Movement: 2
Upgrades From: -
Upgrades To: Terraformer

• This Unit is Tradable
• Can Only Defend
• Can Create Hill and Remove Hill
• Can Remove Forest, Jungle, Bamboo, Savanna, Tall Grass, Peat, Swamp, Cactus, etc.
• Cost +4 Per Turn

Notes: Should Do Limited Tasks faster than Modern Workers

Terraformer
Graphic: Former (From Planetfall)
Icon: ?
Req Tech: Wealther Control
Req Resource: Automobile AND (Oil Products OR Biofuel)
Type: Worker
Strength: 40
Movement: 2
Upgrades From: Bulldozer and Ecologist
Upgrades To: -

• This Unit is Tradable
• Can Only Defend
• Can Create Hill, Create Peak, Remove Hill and Remove Peak
• Can Remove Forest, Jungle, Bamboo, Tall Grass, Peat, Swamp, Cactus, etc.
• Can Terraform All Types of Terrains
• Can Create Forest, Jungle, Bamboo, Savanna, Tree Farm, Hybrid Forest, Safari, Sanitize, Preserve Site.
• -20 Air Pollution Per Turn (City)
• -20 Air Pollution Per Turn (Plot)
• -20 Water Pollution Per Turn (City)
• -20 Water Pollution Per Turn (Plot)
• Cost +10 Per Turn

Notes: Only the Terraformer should be able to Terraform terrain. All other workers should not be able to anymore.

Many, MANY thanks in advance!

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

@Hydro You really don't want me to get any of my stuff done do you. You would have to have two new "Terraform to Plains" if you want the Lunar and Martian ones to come later. I assume the Lunar ones come after a Planetary shield to hold in the atmosphere (like the one in "Space Balls"), you would not want to mess with gravity.

So just get open borders or the Civilian equivalent get your boats infront of their coasts and place them where they can

Your workers and work boats can't build in other nation's territory, except routes.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Hydro You really don't want me to get any of my stuff done do you. You would have to have two new "Terraform to Plains" if you want the Lunar and Martian ones to come later. I assume the Lunar ones come after a Planetary shield to hold in the atmosphere (like the one in "Space Balls"), you would not want to mess with gravity.

1. Nope.

2. Oh ok. I guess so. So I guess it would be ...

Terraform to Barren II
Req Tech: Planetary Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Martian Barren
- Makes Martian Barren to Barren
- Made by Terraformer

Terraform to Plains II
Req Tech: Planetary Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Martian Plains
- Makes Martian Plains into Plains
- Made by Terraformer

Terraform to Barren III
Req Tech: Lunar Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Lunar Barren
- Makes Lunar Barren to Barren
- Made by Terraformer

Terraform to Plains III
Req Tech: Lunar Terraforming
- Can Be Made on Lunar Plains
- Makes Lunar Plains into Plains
- Made by Terraformer

3. And yeah something like that. We have debated how it would work. But lets assume by this point in the tech tree it would be possible to terraform the moon.

 

[ls612]

@Hydro You really don't want me to get any of my stuff done do you. You would have to have two new "Terraform to Plains" if you want the Lunar and Martian ones to come later. I assume the Lunar ones come after a Planetary shield to hold in the atmosphere (like the one in "Space Balls"), you would not want to mess with gravity.

Or more likely magnetic shielding of the whole moon/planet. I hope to start working out details of the later TH and Galactic Era after V28 is released and now that Vokarya says he's leaving.

 

[strategyonly]

Or more likely magnetic shielding of the whole moon/planet. I hope to start working out details of the later TH and Galactic Era after V28 is released and now that Vokarya says he's leaving.

On the Galactic Era and beyond, Please check with Civ Fuehrer also, thx.

 

[Hydromancerx]

We can also pick apart some of MrAzure's Galactic Era ideas that he never added to the tech tree. All his stuff should be in the threads he made.

 

[ls612]

We can also pick apart some of MrAzure's Galactic Era ideas that he never added to the tech tree. All his stuff should be in the threads he made.

That is what I intend to do soon, and turn that into some new tech ideas. I wish Vokarya would stay long enough to help with prereqs for that, but if not I can do it myself.