News: COTM58 Pre-Game Discussion

[civ_steve]

COTM 58: Japan!

March's start will be delayed a day. Here's the pre-game and the starting files should be available tomorrow evening. We will play as Japan, and you'll get a bit of a break as the map will be small with only 6 AI.

Civilization: Japan
Rivals: 6 pre-selected
Barbarians: Raging
Difficulty: Monarch
Land Form: Continents, 70% ocean, Small map.
Geology:4 billion years old, Arid and Temperate.
AI Aggression: Normal

Conquest-Class Bonuses:

1. 
   2 Bonus Chariots
   Pottery for Free
   100 Bonus Gold

Open-Class Bonuses
None

Predator-Class Obstacles:

1. 
   No CB
   Samurai can't start your Golden Age
   AI gets Emperor Level Starting Units and 4 Bonus Support

 

[Yilar]

No river
Oh and samurais are quite useless.

 

[Più Freddo]

And building a Wonder on a small map isn't worth a small map Golden Age.

 

[Yilar]

Well you can trigger golden age with Zeus...

 

[Spoonwood]

When will we get a game with *no* barbarians?

 

[stvnjsph]

Settle in place?

 

[templar_x]

that´s a good idea for a predator class obstacle this time

looks like another corner start, continents this time. commerce will be low enough. at least we can save on a few ´ducts with those lakes around.

for one or another of the next games, i´d like to suggest to try a start with NO (AA-kind of >2fpt) food bonuses at all. this was brought up in one of the threads and i think the theoretical discussion asks for a competition for the best REXing without food bonus. i think it said there, none within 10 tiles from the cap if someone else would be interested in detailled logs on how everyone deals with a situation like this, i´d be in for it.

templar_x

 

[Lanzelot]

When will we get a game with *no* barbarians?

Yes, please...! Just once to see how it feels like...

I think I see a sugar at E-NE. So the starting position is quite good, actually. (At least in AA and MA; in later ages the many lakes and no hills/mountains will make this a bit short in shields...)

Oh and samurais are quite useless.

Why? An improved Knight that doesn't require horses! Should be perfect for you dominators...?! Unless you mean the problem is it can't be upgraded from horsemen?!?

Lanzelot

 

[Yilar]

The point is attack, not defend ... It is rather rare that your knights get attacked on the "easy" levels, and even if you do get attacked it is not a huge deal losing a couple of knights. Wether you have knights or samurais does not make that much difference on monarch. I could imagine samurais giving some advantage on the higher differculty levels, but on monarch differculty counterattacks are gonna be rather limited, and thus the +1 def has very limited effect.

 

[Scratcher]

How can you tell if that is a small lake or a small sea? I have never been able to tell them apart except checking the availability of irrigate in the workers options. So, will we be able to irrigate from it?

Scratcher

 

[Yilar]

If you click on it, the small lake will show 2 food and the small sea will show 1 food.

 

[Lanzelot]

civ_steve, one more point: I think COTM57 had the same problem as SGOTM14: Marshes could not be cleared and settled. Before everyone starts, can you please check, if this is the case with COTM58 as well?!

Cheers, Lanzelot

 

[Lanzelot]

How can you tell if that is a small lake or a small sea?

I'm not 100% sure, but I think, size 1 lakes are always fresh water?!

 

[Kulko]

A lake is fresh water if t does consist only of coast squares I think.

Therefore any size 1 lake is always fresh water. The body of water in the north might still be connected to the open sea, so its not possible to decide yet.

 

[Marsden]

If the inland water is larger than 22 tiles it becomes salt water and same as the regular coast/sea/ocean. Less than 23 and they are fresh water.

 

[civ_steve]

civ_steve, one more point: I think COTM57 had the same problem as SGOTM14: Marshes could not be cleared and settled. Before everyone starts, can you please check, if this is the case with COTM58 as well?!

Cheers, Lanzelot

According to the default Rules in the rules editor, Marsh squares do not allow cities until after being cleared first. So a Settler will not clear and form the city, if that's your question. Once the Marsh is cleared, a Settler should be able to found a city on the space. Jungle spaces do allow cities without clearing first.

 

[DWetzel]

The problem in the SGOTM was that workers could not clear marsh at all for some reason.

 

[Lanzelot]

Yes, I mean clearing with a worker. In COTM57 (as well as in SGOTM14) this was not possible at all.

Lanzelot

 

[AlanH]

The problem in the SGOTM was that workers could not clear marsh at all for some reason.

That problem was specific to the SGOTM scenario file, which inherited some peculiar settings for the new C3C units and terrains when it was converted from the PtW one. It is unlikely ... although conceivable ... that this applies to the GOTM scenario.

 

[Lanzelot]

It is unlikely ... although conceivable ... that this applies to the GOTM scenario.

Ok, I reloaded one of my saves from COTM57, moved a worker onto a marsh tile -- and it worked ok?! I'm pretty sure that when I tried it earlier during the game, the little machete button for clearing the swamp was not there

Never mind...