denyd
Emperor
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News: SGOTM 13 Signup Thread
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WackenOpenAir
Deity
Lets help a little 
Unteamed players:
megistratos: new, emperor
eldar: not new, emperor
denyd: not new, emperor
Hasdrubal Barca: new, emperor
ThinkTank: new, emperor
ahman: new, demi
Montalbano: new, emperor
donsig: new, monarch
Team zoe:
ThERat
Beorn-eL-Feared
Team Veteran:
Kulko
PaperBeetle
archphoenix
Taxpayer'sMoney
socralynnek
Team Smurkz:
Niklas
CommandoBob
Othniel
zxzy
Team Ivan:
I. Larkin
Marsden
AutomatedTeller
Elear
Team tao:
ignas (not new, deity)
Team Klarius:
klarius
Wotan
Northern Pike
Team Spooks:
Paul#42
Abegweit
Andronicus
WackenOpenAir
Redbad
Killercane
Unteamed players:
megistratos: new, emperor
eldar: not new, emperor
denyd: not new, emperor
Hasdrubal Barca: new, emperor
ThinkTank: new, emperor
ahman: new, demi
Montalbano: new, emperor
donsig: new, monarch
Team zoe:
ThERat
Beorn-eL-Feared
Team Veteran:
Kulko
PaperBeetle
archphoenix
Taxpayer'sMoney
socralynnek
Team Smurkz:
Niklas
CommandoBob
Othniel
zxzy
Team Ivan:
I. Larkin
Marsden
AutomatedTeller
Elear
Team tao:
ignas (not new, deity)
Team Klarius:
klarius
Wotan
Northern Pike
Team Spooks:
Paul#42
Abegweit
Andronicus
WackenOpenAir
Redbad
Killercane
I. Larkin
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Probably Steve means "Ernsworth Agreement".
Nothing said at his link about gpt trade.
After all for current starting position it is hard:
you have to have Tech advanses and strong military. And, AI pays for "your" Tech.
And we have no power to ask where from they got this money.
Negative gpt banned for human player, not for AI.
Also, AIs become more advanced and it will be harder to deal in a future.
We have to decide about that and make clear rules befor SGTOM 13 will start, (29 AIs 27 times more effective...).
Good point. I was shocked when I first saw this trick applied by team Klarius in SGotm12 IIRC.
Of course I instantly disliked it, just because we were not the ones to use it...
The more I think about it, the more I dislike it.
Of course there should still be bidirectional gpt deals possible, eg if you buy a tech from a civ per gpt and resell her another tech for almost the same amount - but not in the intention to cancel one of these deals by adding an alliance to it.
Should we do a vote for this SGotm on this topic?
I. Larkin
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At least now we can make it open and everybody may use it.Good point. I was shocked when I first saw this trick applied by team Klarius in SGotm12 IIRC.
Of course I instantly disliked it, just because we were not the ones to use it...
The more I think about it, the more I dislike it.
Of course there should still be bidirectional gpt deals possible, eg if you buy a tech from a civ per gpt and resell her another tech for almost the same amount - but not in the intention to cancel one of these deals by adding an alliance to it.
Should we do a vote for this SGotm on this topic?
I like it, for example.
It is so many Variants of this "exploit" that to make clear rules virtually impossible.
I. Larkin
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If "staff" will not work out rules, we may use it exploit open to everybody. Otherwise this game again may take 10 months. How Marsden formulated in HoF is absolutely unclear. At Sid, for example AIs allway run at defecit (in my games), without my help. But any my action make their situation worse.
If some limitation have to be posed, I see 2 possibility
1) gift more than double 999 income not allowed
2) It is not allowed to make a deal with gift at all.
But human player may not be recponcible for AIs!
If some limitation have to be posed, I see 2 possibility
1) gift more than double 999 income not allowed
2) It is not allowed to make a deal with gift at all.
But human player may not be recponcible for AIs!
eldar
ChiefTank
I'd hardly describe myself as "new"....
WackenOpenAir
Deity
To me it's absolutely clear that the exploit in question is indeed an exploit. And the exploit is not in taking gpt from the AI, the exploit is giving gpt to the AI, then trading for it back, and then finally cancelling the original deal in some way. So to formulate what should be banned, my suggestion would be:
The player is not allowed to actively cancel a deal that gives gpt to an AI if the player is at the same time receiving gpt from that same AI in another deal that would not be cancelled.
Easy enough, no?
The player is not allowed to actively cancel a deal that gives gpt to an AI if the player is at the same time receiving gpt from that same AI in another deal that would not be cancelled.
Easy enough, no?
I. Larkin
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The player is not allowed to actively cancel a deal that gives gpt to an AI if the player is at the same time receiving gpt from that same AI in another deal that would not be cancelled.
It is absurd, Edit: No, it is not. At least my example does not come to that. May be your formulation better... the only "thing point" is "
(Say make gpt and ask "Remove or Declare", or use AI's MPP, or cut trade route. It all was allowed...)
But you got a point. It is a "gpt gift". It looks that I found formulation in Gotm thread..
It is absurd, Edit: No, it is not. At least my example does not come to that. May be your formulation better... the only "thing point" is "
"
(Say make gpt and ask "Remove or Declare", or use AI's MPP, or cut trade route. It all was allowed...)
But you got a point. It is a "gpt gift". It looks that I found formulation in Gotm thread..
eldar
ChiefTank
you said so yourself
Good call. I'll read more carefully next time!
eldar's the new guy! 
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Più Freddo
From space, earth is blue
Demigod/new/no
Am on holiday, can only play in January. And prolly read this thread too.
Am on holiday, can only play in January. And prolly read this thread too.
greatbeyond
King
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1. Which level .....? Any level, not many wins at Demigod/deity
2. Are you new to SGOTM? Yes, lots of practice with Civ III, PTW, and conquests since they came out.
3. Do you have any preferences...? Perhaps Team Klarius, but it doesn't really matter.
2. Are you new to SGOTM? Yes, lots of practice with Civ III, PTW, and conquests since they came out.
3. Do you have any preferences...? Perhaps Team Klarius, but it doesn't really matter.
ahman
Warlord
ControlFreak
Not An Addict, Really
Sorry to the Smurkz, but I must pass. I'm too busy at work (which is making it's way home now too) to commit to any play time. Especially the playtime that I always get stuck with at the end of the game...
Good luck and I'll lurk when I can.
Good luck and I'll lurk when I can.
CF, you know you're always welcome and appreciated whenever you drop by.
OK, I'm back from my travels, and a bit bushed. Thanks for the sign-ups, and thanks for the summary, Wacken.
I'll try to post draft team lists based on the info to date tomorrow.
I'll try to post draft team lists based on the info to date tomorrow.
