News: TSG130 Announcement!

[Hammer Rabbi]

Civilization 5 - Game of the Month Training Series Game 130
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Welcome to the 130th game in the GOTM V Training Series! This Series will allow new and old GOTM fans to try out these features from Civ5's expansions and DLCs in a friendly environment. Participants are encouraged to post questions, stories, advice, tricks and failures in the dedicated game threads (described below). Each game will specify the Civ you will play and the Victory Condition to strive for. You can read more about the GOTM and Training Series concept in this thread.

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Civ V BNW - TSG130 Details:

Player (You): - Ramkhamhaeng - Siam
Victory Condition: Diplomacy but all other VCs are enabled.
Difficulty: Immortal
Civs/City-States (including player): 8/20
Map Type/Size: Archipelago
Game pace: Standard

Game options:
Start - Ancient Era
Enabled - Quick Combat, Quick Movement
(Regardless of starting options, you may turn on/off Quick Combat/Quick Movement using the game options menu at any time during gameplay.)
Game Version: This game was created in Civ5 Brave New World version 1.0.3.279.
Game Requirements: Wonders of the Ancient World DLC, Gods and Kings expansion, Brave New World Expansion.

Siamese Unique Attributes:

Spoiler :

UA: Father Governs Children - Food, Culture, and Faith from friendly City-States increased by 50%.

UB: Wat - Wat replaces the University and provides the normal bonuses Universities provide plus 3 culture per turn. City must have a Library.

UU: Naresuan's Elephants - Powerful Medieval Mounted Unit, weak to Pikemen. It receives a bonus against other mounted Units and has a higher Combat Strength than the Knight, which it replaces.

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This game runs for a month and ends April 1st, 2016.

The save will be available for download on March 1st, 2016, midnight Central Standard time (UTC -6:00) in the US.

The Save can be found here.

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

What a start, and its an archipelago? This will be fun. I'm settling in place and might split tradition with liberty or piety so that I can save and abuse legalism once I research education. Per war academy:

Spoiler :

Siam's University replacement, the Wat, can be gained by having the Education technology as well as Amphitheaters and Libraries built in the first four cities. Opening with Tradition and waiting to take Legalism allows Siam to set up a minor infrastructure investment for a large return; gaining 4 free Wats after Education provides an immediate significant research and production boost.

Monday can't come soon enough.

 

[Knowtalent]

Tuesday. Its a leap year. Unless of course you live in a timezone west of UTC-600

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[stormtrooper412]

hey nice, it's been a good while since I played Archipelago

 

[IDontFinkSo]

What a start, and its an archipelago? This will be fun. I'm settling in place and might split tradition with liberty or piety so that I can save and abuse legalism once I research education. Per war academy:

Spoiler :

Siam's University replacement, the Wat, can be gained by having the Education technology as well as Amphitheaters and Libraries built in the first four cities. Opening with Tradition and waiting to take Legalism allows Siam to set up a minor infrastructure investment for a large return; gaining 4 free Wats after Education provides an immediate significant research and production boost.

Monday can't come soon enough.

I didn't know that this is how the social policy legalism works, I always thought you just get a free monument in your first 4 cities.

You Sir, just opened my eyes.

 

[stormtrooper412]

Yeah but I don't think it's worth it tbqh, going down one SP tree all the way and finishing in good time is much more important

 

[Ribannah]

On Archipelago, Mercantilism isn't as useful to have early because you need Harbors to connect your cities. The biggest downside is that Oligarchy is almost a wasted policy. But not entirely, because it helps if you can kill those Barbarian vessels in one turn.

 

[budweiser]

I'm tempted just to go OCC and try for ToA, but it wont be fastest.

Yeah but I don't think it's worth it tbqh, going down one SP tree all the way and finishing in good time is much more important

One thing that comes to mind is splitting Tradition with Patronage. But, it seems very complicated. You do have room for three picks in Tradition before you have to stall and open Patronage though.

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

Yeah but I don't think it's worth it tbqh, going down one SP tree all the way and finishing in good time is much more important

That's why I am planning on only pursuing Oracle as my only early game wonder. Depending on the surrounding land, I'll decide turn 30 whether to open Piety, Liberty, or honor. If there are tons of city spots, going liberty, if I can actually found a religion, going piety, and if I can conquer a couple close neighbors, will fill out honor. 4 Free universities is too good to pass up, as much as it stinks waiting to finish tradition, this can't be passed up.

 

[budweiser]

There are 20 CS, so more votes are available.

 

[Wild_Woojsha]

I'm tempted just to go OCC and try for ToA, but it wont be fastest.



One thing that comes to mind is splitting Tradition with Patronage. But, it seems very complicated. You do have room for three picks in Tradition before you have to stall and open Patronage though.

This would be the way to go, except it takes too long to get to medieval era to unlock patronage. There is no fast path to medieval, theology is the best path but even that won't do it. Guild's is the fastest and most relevant path to beeline to make it work, but even then, it'll delay things like masonry and writing, etc. I don't think you can make it there without opening another tree, even without building a monument.

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[Kroman]

Actually patronage opens in the classical era, so opening it is no big issue. In previous experiences I had bigger problems with building / buying all 4 amphitheaters before running out of useful patronage policies... either you also open commerce / esthetics or you must go away from optimal build queues.

 

[Knowtalent]

Actually patronage opens in the classical era, so opening it is no big issue. In previous experiences I had bigger problems with building / buying all 4 amphitheaters before running out of useful patronage policies... either you also open commerce / esthetics or you must go away from optimal build queues.

Its not just the amphitheater but the monument as well. All of which need to be up and running before you finish Education and take legalism. Its a nice bonus if you can get it. Im just not sure it can be done efficiently.

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[budweiser]

Its not just the amphitheater but the monument as well. All of which need to be up and running before you finish Education and take legalism. Its a nice bonus if you can get it. Im just not sure it can be done efficiently.

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I dont feel like playing it out, but a Liberty/Tradition combo with Republic might be good. For Siam, throw in a Culture CS. You dont need 4/4 even 2/4 or 3/4 free Wats would be something. You have about 100+ turns to put it all together.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

the 4-city free Wat strategy is fun to do but not necessarily optimal. But I can't resist when I play as Siam because I dont ever get to play with those particular timings anywhere else. Siam has an interesting cohesion that I think is really fun to mess with. Throw in trying to work in the sailing path (for archipelago) and it's even more tempting to stray the normal path.

 

[budweiser]

the 4-city free Wat strategy is fun to do but not necessarily optimal. But I can't resist when I play as Siam because I dont ever get to play with those particular timings anywhere else. Siam has an interesting cohesion that I think is really fun to mess with. Throw in trying to work in the sailing path (for archipelago) and it's even more tempting to stray the normal path.

If I have learned anything from this series, its how important it is to scout these maps.

I'm looking forward to this, I might make the Great Lighthouse. I also might kill them with amphibious war elephants and then nukes

 

[nufro]

Is it supposed to open at midnight Central sharp? Not available yet...

 

[Knowtalent]

Hmm i will have a look at when i get home in a few hours

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[KissMyAxe]

I love diplomatic victory and city states! But I never really got Siam: while it benefits from city-state friendships and alliances, it doesn't have any perks to help maintain them. And while this is only Emperor, Rammy would need all the help he can get. (I've gotten used to how nasty the "first-of-the-month" GOTM maps can get, so I fully expect Venice, Greece and Mongolia to be in the mix.) Which means, I can't really rely on gold from trade routes only. I'm thinking a religion with Papal Primacy and Charitable missions, aided by Consulates.

And I'm very puzzled why would people here want to go tradition? Yea, I get it: 4 free universities. But they don't make money (even in real life ).

 

[nufro]

Oh, you would be surprised how much money do universities make in real life