Next War PBEM

[Eclipse4449]

Sent to Imp. Knoedel

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

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Despite continuing tensions with the Southern dictatorship, the Europan Parliament has decided to divert its resources away from military build-up towards peaceful infrastructure programs, because huge parts of the continent are in ruins as a result of the latest terror wave from the Southern despot. President Shapiro said that special focus lies on the abolishment of Nuclear Fission as a means of energy production, as a wave of atomic hate sweeps the land after the recent bombings of Istanbul and Ankara. Nevertheless the Secretary of Defense (OoC: It just occured to me that you can abbreviate that to SoD, make of that what you will) reassured that the recently in Scandinavia assembled Tactical Nuke will stay armed at all times until The Lady´s tyrannical regime is overthrown by the oppressed Southern people. Its current location is unknown, although it is rumoured to be hidden somewhere in the recently formed fleet around the carrier EFRS Viking.

 

[Nighthawk419]

The Southern Empire would like to announce that we have made an agreement with the Glorious Leader to prevent any further war. That is all.

gps

 

[Eclipse4449]

Yes I am pleased to report that I am bringing the Boys back home and I am willing to say that, at least I think I dealt with The Lady herself, although one can never be sure who writes messages and who signs them official. If this is a truth It may have been the first

The Calcutta people will soon gather to erect Cultural producing builds rather than peace keeping forces.


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Spoiler :

In other news Wang Kon Jr of Eurozone PBEM anyone? has been attacked by Bilgee whom claimed War was not to be had between us. This act of Betrayal happened 2 turns after Declaring war on Aztec who I've shared a continent with.

Bilgee(Calanthian) is 4 or 5 times stronger, out numbering in both numbers and unit strength, it is embarrassing to look at this power graph. This now translates to the Aztecs retaliating northward as I repulse the invading Mongols from the Sea

EDIT; Turn posted

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

What is this? An unescorted Settler right next to my border? Nighthawk you know that is just begging for another declaration?

 

[Luthor_Saxburg]

In the spirit of world peace, Mr. Big declares himself a "Pacifist"... as long as there are good reality shows USA will want nothing but peace and TV!

 

[Nighthawk419]

I see the entire world has signed defensive pacts against the South... makes a guy feel welcome!

I have proposed defensive pacts with everyone as well. Therefore any war declarations will be met with automatic declarations from everyone else... the best way to force world peace...

PS - incredibly fast turn, love it!

gps

 

[Nighthawk419]

oh and PSS - Knoedel, in a game with 4 supposedly peaceful humans and no AI, no settler should need to be escorted within my own borders...

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Well, seems as if I have misunderstood the situation, but just came to that conclusion after hitting end turn.
Nighthawk, you will receive a pretty one-sided offer this turn, just disregard it and pretend nothing happened.

 

[Luthor_Saxburg]

Mr. Big Office

Mr. Big is watching the screen when an advisor enters...

Advisor - Sorry, Sir, I have some proposals for you too...

Mr. Big - What??? Can't you see I am working???

Advisor - Oooh, I thought you were only watching TV...

Mr. Big - That is work, you nuckle head! How can I know what to promise to my workers if I don't catch up with the reality?

Advisor - But you surely know that the reality shows are not reality...

Mr. Big - You are not very good at your job, are you? Maybe I should ask some one more qualified...

Advisor - Errr... sorry, Sir, I will leave but we have some proposals from Europe, Asia and Africa that we should consider...

Mr. Big takes the paper from his hands never letting his eyes to move away from the big screen and signs them all.

Mr. Big - Here you are! They are already signed!

Advisor - But... but... these are Defensive Pacts... it means that if someone att...

Mr. Big - What else do you want?????

Advisor - ... nothing, I guess... I will give this to our diplomatic people...

Mr. Big - Bye!

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[Imperator Knoedel]

-.-
You guys really put a damper in my invasion plans. Okay, fine, then we'll have peace now, what do I care!

 

[Nighthawk419]

Denied Knoedel. It would have been denied all along and you know it. It defnitely takes balls to accept peace and then turn around and threaten to declare war again 3 turns later. Now the world is defensively aligned to keep us from fighting... and for anyone declaring war. This is the best way to promote peace I guess!

gps

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Denied Knoedel. It would have been denied all along and you know it.

Yes, because I didn't follow my request with a detailed explanation why it would be better for you to accept it. I wanted to, but then I noticed that this would give you the opportunity to shuffle troops around and cover up the weakness I discovered, thus keeping me from exploiting it.
When I open my next turn the first thing I'll do is looking for the mentioned weakness and expose my plan to the public. If the distribution and number of troops in the targeted area stays the same or if you actually moved troops away I will put the game on hold until I get an answer from you and depending on what it is I will either follow through with the operation or not.
The other case is you having reinforced the area, in which case my daring plan would become too risky and I will tell you all about it because I won't actually set it into praxis anyway.

It defnitely takes balls to accept peace and then turn around and threaten to declare war again 3 turns later.

Hey, nobody is less interested in a long war-campaign than I, I just discovered an excellent opportunity for swiftly decapitating your empire and would much more prefer if you accept my terms.
Think of what eclipse did, moving troops to South Africa and then threatening you with taking a few light defended cities. It's pretty much the same here, except that I will demand more, pose a larger danger to a more important part of your empire and that I am not bluffing.

Now the world is defensively aligned to keep us from fighting... and for anyone declaring war. This is the best way to promote peace I guess!

Luthor was always neutral and I doubt that he will suddenly change his stance, not the least of the reasons being that I have at least two Tactical Nukes, which both have enough range to hit London from Paris, although the one in my Submarine may or may not already be close enough to hit England.
Eclipse and I have simply nothing to fight about, the only border we share is in Siberia and we both have one mediocre city with no strategical value whatsoever close to it.
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them made peace with me on the very turn their defensive pact forced them into war.

 

[Nighthawk419]

Knoedel obviously there are going to be weaknesses in any empire. My power was about the same as yours, except unlike you I have to cover a much larger area. I could point out weaknesses in your troop distribution easily too, but what's the point? When the time comes to attack again in the future, I will go for your weak point rather than trying to overrun you with pure numbers like I did last time. Since we agreed to peace I purposely have been shuffling troops around, but if it is a 1 on 1 war again, you know I will focus my efforts on you and fight you. And if you notice, my power is #1 again by a smidge, and it will quickly get higher than you, because I'm bigger than you and can produce units quicker than you. So I dare you to fight me, I'll gladly do it as I always will.

Anyway, you underestimate the defensive pacts. You don't think some defensive pacts would be a perfect excuse for an invasion from Eclipse or Luthor? It's the easy way to get involved in a war without the direct diplo hit of a direct declaration of war. You know Luthor and Eclipse are both itching to fight after hearing it from the two of us, they are just waiting for a weak point. If you are focusing your troops on me and they have the ultimate easy back-door invasion opportunity, they will take it, I'm confident in that. And just like you said - neither Luthor nor Eclipse has any reason to want to fight me over you instead of vice versa. I have paid Eclipse to help Calcutta and in fact reduced my cultural output just for him. Luthor and I have never had anything to fight about, neither of us threaten each other directly. The two of them will join in a war only if it suits them, which means going after a weak point with a good excuse.

Here's the same thing you are saying:

Knoedel, you have limited troops in most of mainland Europe, your forces are entirely concentrated in Algiers and Excellentopolis... not to mention your entire navy is in the Meditteranean. I demand that you give me those two cities, or else I will send in an invasion force directly into Paris and Berlin.

See how laughable that is????

Just stop with the threats. We have acheived world peace again for once. Worry about your other borders other than mine, I have too many other things I'd like to accomplish with my empire than to worry about another slugfest that will go nowhere with you.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Nevermind, I´ll repost this when I have the turn safely in my hands, no need for risking the whole operation by giving Nighthawk the chance to prepare for it.

 

[Eclipse4449]

Sent to Imp. Knoedel

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Opened the turn and gleefully discovered that Nighthawk hasn´t changed his distribution of troops in Tripoli and Cairo at all, thus allowing me to evilly gloat and expose my plan:

Who says something about a slugfest? This will be a chirurgical strike, taking Tripoli and razing Cairo. You can easily verify that I have loaded at least 1 Paratrooper, 1 Gunship and 3 Modern Armors into my Transports in Excellentopolis, and according to my WB-tests there is a very high probability that I will be able to take Tripoli with the Tanks backed by Naval and Air support, move in the Transports, unload the Gunship(s) and Paratrooper(s), kill your Garrison in Cairo with the first + the Guided Missile on my Cruiser, and capture (+raze) it with the latter.

Also there is nothing you can do to exploit my weaknesses, as you simply have no navy, or at least not anywhere close to me. If you had one of course my troops would be better distributed, as it is now the second Mech. Inf. in Rome is already overkill and I will probably airlift it either into Tripoli or Spain/France/Scandinavia should Luthor show signs of agression, which I doubt, since I have two Nukes in his vincinity and it is a whole lot more profitable for him to end the war against me on turn 1 and re-open our resource-trades to boost his corps than moving his troops over the Atlantic and risk a nuclear strike.
Really the only wild-card here is Asia, but losing one city in Siberia if worst comes to worst is still a decent trade-off for Tripoli and Cairo.

I suggest you accept my turns, Jerusalem and the Copper-city, and I even offer you something in return:

Half of the raw-Gold (before multiplyers) produced by all the Shrines in Jerusalem added together for a minimum of 10 turns + 500 Gold on top. Heck that´s probably more than you gave Eclipse to not attack you and here am I offering to pay it to you, that´s hardly a threat, it´s a bargain!

I put the turn on hold until we have come to an agreement.

 

[Nighthawk419]

First of all: How is it possible that you can unload transports and move units in the same turn? Based on my understanding of the game, the unload movement is one turn only.

Secondly: HOW can you open the game in worldbuilder?? Isn't that built in as prevented for PBEM games? If you could do that, you could see the entire map in any game at any time, which is definitely cheating.

Thirdly: I'd say that "running tests" of any sort is definitely cheating. You should only be playing the game as it stands with odds that you see in front of you. Anything more is definitely cheating. For example, if you attack someone and lose, no matter the odds, cancelling and restarting the turn is definitely considered cheating in the PBEM world.

Fourthly: Knowing all that, I still say no. If you want to win by cheating, then go for it. I can assure you I will be putting all of my efforts into destroying you with no hope of peace if you go that route. And if I lose the game because you cheated against me then I won't care one bit because I'll know you cheated. I can only hope to damage you enough that someone else wins and that will make me happy to know that cheaters never prosper. And I will be glad to launch every single nuke I have (of which you don't know the true number) against all of your core cities just out of spite, and every single military unit I have will be coming for you, regardless of what Eclipse or Luthor do.

I really expected better of you Knoedel.

 

[Luthor_Saxburg]

First of all: How is it possible that you can unload transports and move units in the same turn? Based on my understanding of the game, the unload movement is one turn only.

I think you are incorrect. LOADING consumes movement points but unloading is for free... which means that he can UNLOAD and move on the same turn. So, as long as the units are already loaded on transports they will be able to move.

HOW can you open the game in worldbuilder?? Isn't that built in as prevented for PBEM games?

As far as I know he can't open the WB of this game but he can CREATE a singleplayer with the same conditions as you have now and TEST it on that Single Player game... I would not consider it cheating.

Off course if he can use the WB on the MultiPlayer file... that is cheating!

I'd say that "running tests" of any sort is definitely cheating.

Hmmm... I am inclined not to agree... I usually don't have the patient to test specific situations in SP mode but sometimes, when playing SP, I do stupid things just to test them to see if they have any chance of working in MPP... would that be cheating as well?

I wouldn't oppose to have a houserule preventing "testing" in SP environment. But until now there is no rule like that, so I would not call it cheating (if my understanding of the "tests" is correct)

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[Imperator Knoedel]

First of all: How is it possible that you can unload transports and move units in the same turn? Based on my understanding of the game, the unload movement is one turn only.

I thought that was common knowledge, but in case it is not: If you move a loaded Transport into a city and unload from there the units on it can perform all the actions they do could normally, like moving, bombarding, and even (I hope that drives my point home) paradropping.
That is, if they haven't been loaded onto the transport on the same turn, which is why I loaded my transport already last turn and hoped that you wouldn't move any troops, which you didn't.

Secondly: HOW can you open the game in worldbuilder?? Isn't that built in as prevented for PBEM games? If you could do that, you could see the entire map in any game at any time, which is definitely cheating.

-.- Obviously I meant by that that I started the Next war scenario in Singleplayer as Europa and reconstructed the given situation as closely as possible based on my data, which should be enough to accurately predict my chances of performing said action in the real game.

Thirdly: I'd say that "running tests" of any sort is definitely cheating. You should only be playing the game as it stands with odds that you see in front of you. Anything more is definitely cheating. For example, if you attack someone and lose, no matter the odds, cancelling and restarting the turn is definitely considered cheating in the PBEM world.

Wow, I have tried to find out how high the probability is that I can take a by 3 MI defended coastal city and on the same turn take with guided missiles, Gunships and paratroopers another city three tiles in, sue me. I didn't even add any promotions or fortification bonuses, + the random seed of this game and the test-run are completely different, so it's not as if I were reloading if I lost. So yeah, I actually am playing with the odds I see in front of me, I just took a closer look.
Even though I successfully conducted the operation in 4 of 5 test runs it still is a gamble, which is why I still prefer to negotiate with you. But rest assured, should you be unwilling to accept my terms I will follow through with it and accept the actual outcome, whether it is a colossal victory or a smashing defeat.

Fourthly: Knowing all that, I still say no. If you want to win by cheating, then go for it. I can assure you I will be putting all of my efforts into destroying you with no hope of peace if you go that route. And if I lose the game because you cheated against me then I won't care one bit because I'll know you cheated. I can only hope to damage you enough that someone else wins and that will make me happy to know that cheaters never prosper. And I will be glad to launch every single nuke I have (of which you don't know the true number) against all of your core cities just out of spite, and every single military unit I have will be coming for you, regardless of what Eclipse or Luthor do.

Seeing as you are under the wrong impression that I was somehow able to open the worldbuilder in Multiplayer, I will ignore this paragraph.

I really expected better of you Knoedel.

Woah, I think we have quite the misunderstanding here.