I didn't think it would be so predictable either, but as Avatar said, it is totally unfair to the innocents in that house if they have more than one vampire.
Nightfang Mafia (Game Concluded)
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AvatarKhepri
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Slight FoS on Takhisis for casting doubt on the proposed "one vamp per house" idea.
Yakostovian
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While the most likely scenario is that there is one per house, it's also quite possible that they were randomly assigned and 1 house ended up with more than 1 infiltrator and 1 house may have none. I don't think it is unreasonable to have a non-obvious setup, otherwise the scum could be at a disadvantage.
AvatarKhepri
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Is it day 1?
A tiny bit more seriously, the "one per house" theory keeps things relatively fair between the houses (and is only something we're discovering because the first two deaths were from the same house, so it's also possible that while this is a disadvantage for the scum, it was a theoretically unlikely one during game design, or at least one the wolves didn't consider significant when picking their kill target). Casting doubt on the theory muddies the water about how many wolves there are and possible ways to predict where to find others, but is the kind of thing a reasonable villager might do as well; not providing an alternate explanation along with your doubt is doing nothing but muddy the waters about wolf positions. Even if we ignore for a moment that muddying the waters without proposing alternate possibilities for discussion does a great deal more to help wolves than villagers, it's the kind of thing a wolf might do if they saw the correct theory bandied about publicly: discuss it as if the theory has less weight than it does in a way that doesn't promote further discussion on the subject - not just because they don't want things discussed, but because they're unsure if they could float alternate wolf-position theories the same way a real villager would, so they just keep quiet.
It's not a vote, not even a particularly strong Finger Of Suspicion, but it's something I'm gonna be considering alongside the other things I've noticed about various people...as is how defensive you've gotten over relatively minor suspicions from me twice now.
It's not Day One when it's excusable (also, if you've just posted that, you never ever ever ever* get to post again that you've played with me too often) so I'm having to ask.
Two deaths from the same house… well, yes, we're delving deep into metagaming here, but let's go into alternate explanations. I've GMed long and often enough to know that if you have a divided town (not my favourite setup, but I do lvoe experimental setups and daring GMs) you shouldn't distribute all your bad guys evenly across all groups, because at some point it just becomes a matter of spreadsheeting.
So, some thoughts… I know my faction has a QT where we can discuss stuff day and night. So it's safe to assume that all groups must have somebody working against them because, otherwise, the one group who know everybody inside it is town can and probably will, effectively, become a town network, which the GM, preventing communication, would like to prevent -of course, if you kill the mafioso/i you can get the mini-network, but that means you've worked for it.
But the GM has hinted that there are weird roles out there:
Knowing what has been thrown around CFC, TWC and the .org these past few years, I would hazard to guess that there might be third parties, e.g. survivors (not jesters because there are standards even here, also read Arakhor's lips above: nonew taxes jesters), serial killers (but there was only one kill last night and nobody's been claiming to have performed a roleblock or to have survived an attack), or mixed things like millers, lovers, fake scan results, etc. just to confuse people.
Also, choxorn is missing in action and he never goes AWOL like this so I'm 90% he has something to hide, but I'm not going to let Double A slide so my vote stays on him.
*ever!
Two deaths from the same house… well, yes, we're delving deep into metagaming here, but let's go into alternate explanations. I've GMed long and often enough to know that if you have a divided town (not my favourite setup, but I do lvoe experimental setups and daring GMs) you shouldn't distribute all your bad guys evenly across all groups, because at some point it just becomes a matter of spreadsheeting.
So, some thoughts… I know my faction has a QT where we can discuss stuff day and night. So it's safe to assume that all groups must have somebody working against them because, otherwise, the one group who know everybody inside it is town can and probably will, effectively, become a town network, which the GM, preventing communication, would like to prevent -of course, if you kill the mafioso/i you can get the mini-network, but that means you've worked for it.
But the GM has hinted that there are weird roles out there:
Knowing what has been thrown around CFC, TWC and the .org these past few years, I would hazard to guess that there might be third parties, e.g. survivors (not jesters because there are standards even here, also read Arakhor's lips above: no
Also, choxorn is missing in action and he never goes AWOL like this so I'm 90% he has something to hide, but I'm not going to let Double A slide so my vote stays on him.
*ever!
Eh?
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...presumably a reference to the thread title (Nightfang) likely being a description of the vampires. But yeah, that's a weird way to describe the wolf team.
*jots down note*
There is now 11.5 hours to go until dusk. The vote tally has not changed since midday.
Vote tally:
Choxorn: Yakostovian, AvatarKhepri, Pzelda, Rakkoon, Topsecret
DoubleA: JohannaK, Beroli, Takhisis
Beroli: DoubleA
Not voting: Choxorn
Vote tally:
Choxorn: Yakostovian, AvatarKhepri, Pzelda, Rakkoon, Topsecret
DoubleA: JohannaK, Beroli, Takhisis
Beroli: DoubleA
Not voting: Choxorn
Yakostovian
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True Blood was mostly good, except for the entire Fairy arc, and the Maryann Forrester arc in season 2.[/tangent.]
I'm not sure what to make of Avatar vs Takhisis right now.
Open question I don't expect to have answered publicly: to those of you with either of these 2 in your house - if we are still assuming only 1 infiltrator per house, does it make the most sense that one if these 2 is it?
Yakostovian
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Depending 9n how the flips go, I think choxorn and doubleA look pretty good for scum.
Avatar looks better if chox flips scum, and I tentatively want to clear Beroli as town.
Yakostovian
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It now occurs to me that if you guys accept that chox and I are house telvanni, then the rest of you all now know the composition of the remaining house.
It stands to reason that scum also knew the composition of each house whether or not they started with 1 in each faction, as perfect information is typically scum's biggest advantage.
Robert Can't was revealed as a Nightblade, which sounds like a vigilante to me, and Murska's mystic is probably a seer-type role. For the record, I am a Bard. Considering the scum are vampires, I find it quite probable that they are the ones that are recruiting.
It stands to reason that scum also knew the composition of each house whether or not they started with 1 in each faction, as perfect information is typically scum's biggest advantage.
Robert Can't was revealed as a Nightblade, which sounds like a vigilante to me, and Murska's mystic is probably a seer-type role. For the record, I am a Bard. Considering the scum are vampires, I find it quite probable that they are the ones that are recruiting.
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The second part of this seems to at least slightly disagree with the first part; while I agree that "Nightblade" sounds like Vig, and "Mystic" sounds like seer, assuming that Murska was targeted in the night because the vampires know that Murska was seer seems to be assuming the wolves have a much bigger information advantage than normal - usually, they just know their own roles, and have a devil-role for scouting out which villagers have important roles. I know Arakhor said limited scanning roles, but I would assume the exchange wouldn't be "so wolves instead just start out knowing who everybody is". Especially since (if we're assuming you're telling the truth about your house, and the "4 players/1 wolf per house" thing holds true), then both of the people who voted Robert Can't were in the same house.
And yeah, I want an explanation for "recruiting" as well. Where'd that idea come from?
Yakostovian
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Yakostovian
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Are you also forgetting that I claimed to have redirected DoubleA onto murska?
Or that the possibility that scum got lucky with their first kill, taking out a seer?
Your hypotheticals ignore several occam's razors, so I'm curious why you are positing that scum knew a power role down to the player.
