NO LEADERS on start - new idea thread

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

But to do this, you would need either a list of actual leaders of a given civ, over a 6000 year span, which we don't have, or a bunch of made-up names. An early turn of Civ is 40 years long; you could have twenty different leaders within the space of a turn.

If you have the leaders change some limited number of times in the game--three, six, a dozen--then you go from having Civ's 6000 year old leaders to ones that are 2000 years old, or 1000. 6000 years is unrealistic, but one can cope with it by saying that that leader is just a symbol of the civ in question. 2000 year old leaders, who then die, are just unrealistic tout court.

I think the most "realistic" way to approach this is by having an option to change leaders by either 1) Progressing to the next Age/Era or 2) Switching Governments.

I think I'd prefer the latter because it would make more sense that a new leader would appear whenever there is a change in government, so a new person takes control. Of course, in regard to Civ 7, both happen at the same time unlike previous games where you could enter a new age without switching governments.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Anyway . . . they replaced identification with your civ with identification with your leader. They shouldn't further eff with that.

 

[Crashdummy]

The general idea is to just Start the Game and choose, pick your civ of choice.
Without ANY Leader attached to it.
Then, throughout the game, depending on your behaviour, achievement, etc, a Leader is born.
Inside YOUR civ. And the same happens to all other Ai civs.
It can happen at different times, and they could also DIE. (This is an OLD idea of mine - where you can KILL your Leader-King-Queen, and try to Kill other civs Leaders as well...)

So you might get a Leader you like, and keep it, but you could also get a Leader that you don't like...
In any case, the Leader should be culturally linked to your Civ.
SO that No Benjamin Franklin could ever appear to FRANCE, THE GAULS, THE ROMANS, or CHINA.

UNDO the Leader "FIRST" approach completely.
Put back Civilization "First" in the mindset again, and then move along from that as a UNMOVABLE, not dabatable, pivotal concept.

This should be one of the 2/3rd of things that should NEVER be questioned.
One of the BASIC CORE TENET of Civilization.

This concept would allow players to play the entirety of the game without ANY leader at all.
Some government type, like Kingdom... could see the birth of Monarchs Leaders... more frequently
A Republican government could see the birth of OTHER kind of Leaders (Napoleon) more frequently
But NAPOLEON could also appear as a new possible leader, whilst say KING "SUN" III of France i still alive...
You would have then to do a REVOLUTION, KILL or EXILE the old King-Leader, and then you would be able to keep NAPOLEON...

Dynamic Leaders... but it's YOU, the PLAYER, YOUR CIV,. the one IMPORTANT thing...
Your Civ will not disappear if your Leader dies... you still have your Governors AND Government; an army, etc...

ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THIS CHANGE?

Not for the Civlization franchise

The franchise doesnt need this change, its fine if they want to test this in another franchise, but i hope they stop trying to change Core features of the franchise

We dont need Leaders to work liek Great People, we already had Great People, let us choose out Leader and Civ from the start and finish with them like we always could

I hope in Civ 8 they go back to the roots of the franchise instead of trying to go down the rabbit hole