Nostradamus

[Rhye]

Originally posted by jc011:<br /><strong>"Fire in the new city, <br />the century merely a babe, <br />the two brothers fall on the field, <br />the five tiered ring is pierced thru, <br />panic in the streets as the leader struggles"

<br />--Nostradamus, 1432</strong><hr></blockquote>

What about these lines?

P.S. The date is wrong

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

First, he was born in 1503 in StRemy de Provence, France, and died in 1566.

Second, i read "Centuries" years ago, and a lot of them are wrong.

Third, wis prediction for the end of the world is this, and this is right out of "Centuries":

When those of the Northern Pole are united together,<br />In the east will be great fear and dread..<br />One day the two great leaders will be friends;<br />Their great power will be seen to grow.<br />The New Land will be at the height of it's power:<br />to the man of blood the number is reposted.(The man of blood is identified elsewhere as the third anti-christ, who will emerge in asia).<br />In the year 1999 and seven months<br />From the sky will come the great King of terror...

All this other stuff is bullsh1t.

 

[Morgasshk]

Well I just typed about 5 pages of **** in here on Nostro and then my dumb **** of a computer crashed... so I will just put down the bare nessescities.... argh!!!

Ok...

Quote on the New York prediction...

Century VI, Quatrain 97<br />" The sky will burn at 45 degrees, fire approaches the great new city. Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up when they want to have proof of the Normans."

Translation: If this one is true then New Yorkers must fear a massive aerial bombing at some point, which will detroy most of the metropolis. New York county actually lies on the 45 degree meridian in the USA - well directly between 40 and 45 degrees. The last line is typically muddles as to the reference to the Normans.

Here's another interesting one... one of N's last entries...

Century X, Quatrain 72<br />" In the year 1999 and seven months there will come from the skies the Great King of Terror. He will bring back to life the great King of the Mongols. Before and after war reigns happily. "

Translation: One of Nostradamus's last and probably the most sombre, melancholy and most noticable prophecy yet unfilled. He tells of an Asian antichrist, steeped in the traditions of the warrior hordes of the Mongols, visiting death and destruction upon the face of the globe. Most experts belive that this new demon will be an Anti-Christ committed to tearing down the values of Judaeo-Christian society as we know them. If napoleon and Hitler were the other 2 anti-christ figures that Nostradamus makes in some of his prophecies, then this will be the third and final one...

He makes a further reference to this in the following:

Century VIII, Quatrain 77

" The anti-christ very soon annihilates the three, seven and twenty years his war wil last. The unbelievers are dead, captive, exiled: with blood, human bodies, water and red hail covering the earth. "

Trans: This implies that the 3rd Anti-Christ - The one yet to come.. - will be annihilated, but that it will take 27 years of fearsome war to do so. The reference to red hail could refer to atomic fallout, such as that that covered the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the close of WW2 (Nostradamus also predicted this event but my hand is sore from typing and couldn't be bothered typing anymore!!!)

Anyway, hope this has freaked some people out (Mwuahahahahaha!!!) and shed some light for others.

Later people!

Morgasshk!

 

[NeelaX]

Its funny that someone posted this topic. As soon as I saw the tragic events in NY, I thought of Nostradamus. I remember watching a tv show in the early 80s about his predictions and how a lot of them have came true.<br />Check out this site:<br /><a href="http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/newcity.htm" target="_blank">http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/newcity.htm</a>

A quote from Nostradamus:<br />Earth-shaking fire from the center of the earth.<br />Will cause the towers around the New City to shake,<br />Two great rocks for a long time will make war,<br />And then Arethusa will color a new river red.

<br />He also predicted the droughts of the late 80s, and alliance with the great powers of the world, which I believe is Russia & the US. IF 70 years of war is true, that saddens me because most of ours lives will live through this terrible period of our world's history. I turn 25 tomorrow, i'd be 100 before I saw any peace! hehe What does this tell me? Live it up today!

Peace everyone

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

Oooooo, it's her again! (wow!) Hi, Neela! blbBLblblblbLBlblblb <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

HOAX<br />As others have said, the whole City of God/York & twin brothers things circulating the 'Net is an absolute hoax. Nostradamus never said that. It contains some completely made up stuff (as linked in above), as well as some disjointed phrases Nosty really wrote.

However ....

Originally posted by Morgasshk:<br /><strong>Century VI, Quatrain 97<br />"The sky will burn at 45 degrees, fire approaches the great new city. Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up when they want to have proof of the Normans."

Translation: If this one is true then New Yorkers must fear a massive aerial bombing at some point, which will detroy most of the metropolis. New York county actually lies on the 45 degree meridian in the USA - well directly between 40 and 45 degrees. The last line is typically muddles as to the reference to the Normans.</strong><hr></blockquote>

My interpretation is different. I think we may have already seen most of this one. "Fire approaches the great new city. Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up" pretty accurately describes what we saw on Sept. 11th. I wouldn't guess another aerial assault. But 45 degress latitude is around Bangor, Maine, not NYC. Though 45 degress Celsius is quite hot (fire from sky). The Normans is a reference to the French. I'm watching (objectively) to see if the French play significantly in what's to come.

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Originally posted by Morgasshk:<br /><strong>Here's another interesting one... one of N's last entries...

Century X, Quatrain 72<br />"In the year 1999 and seven months there will come from the skies the Great King of Terror. He will bring back to life the great King of the Mongols. Before and after war reigns happily. "

Translation: One of Nostradamus's last and probably the most sombre, melancholy and most noticable prophecy yet unfilled. He tells of an Asian antichrist, steeped in the traditions of the warrior hordes of the Mongols, visiting death and destruction upon the face of the globe. Most experts belive that this new demon will be an Anti-Christ committed to tearing down the values of Judaeo-Christian society as we know them. If napoleon and Hitler were the other 2 anti-christ figures that Nostradamus makes in some of his prophecies, then this will be the third and final one...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know about the 3 anti-Christs stuff, but I'm not so sure this quatrain makes a clear reference to them. There's speculation that 1999, from his time, is actually 2001. He also wrote "sept" month in French ... many think it means "7", but it could just as well be Sept-month. "From the sky" matches Tuesday. Bin Laden (or whoever managed to pull this off) could easily be called the "King of Terror" today. Coincidental we call it terrorism? And I am NOT sure, but I believe Mongolia during Ghenghis Khan covered today's Afghanistan (or perhaps the part of the Mid East where whoever's responsible came from). [Any comments, GK? Is that where you were?]

The "war" part in some translations is a reference to the god Mars, which of course is the God of War, but he also has a "higher" spiritual transformation side. As some think, this is NOT an end-of-the-world prediction. So we could be looking at war or another age of enlightenment. Either way, as we all know, this is a turning point. What we do next may determine in which direction.

<br />No comment on the 3rd quatrain Morgasshk offered. I'm not as familiar with it. But thanks for all the work, Morgie. Sorry your PC crashed (I've been there when writing these things, too!)

<br />Nosty in a Different Light<br />But I will share a few things about how one could look at the work of Nostradamus and have it all make sense.

Understanding the Future<br />He purportedly put himself into a trance and "saw" things. You've had deja vu. He could just do it awake and in a major way (like, deja vu on steroids). If we say he actually saw some things to come, many of them he could not possibly understand or interpret or give accurate 16th Century words to.

Safety in Vagueness / No Order<br />This was complicated by the fact that people weren't so wild about his predictions at first (esp. when they came true) and he faced persecution. He wrote vaguely on purpose to protect himself and because he was human and lacked proper words to describe everything he saw. He also mixed up the order of all his quatrains, so they essentially appear randomly, not chronologically, in the Centuries.

Nature of Communication<br />There's also the communication gap between our 2 times ... as Stormerne knows, words and phrases that had common understandable meaning back then do not carry the same meaning today.

TIME & THE FUTURE<br />And, lastly, there is this whole concept of time and predetermination. As Stephen Hawking knows, we have an experience of time but not a firm grasp on what it is or how it works.

My view is what if ... your future (and our collective futures) are NOT written in stone, but rather there are possible futures ... different paths we can take through our choices that lead to different results, like those books that used to make you choose a door and follow a path to a different part of the book. What if it all exists in time at once, not like the linear Space-Time Continuum that makes cool Star Trek episodes. So all possible futures are accessible to "seers" and true psychics (and possibly to any of us, if we develop that part of ourselves) from any point in time.

So perhaps there are the places we are likely to go if we keep doing what we're doing, and there are the places we could go if we made certain choices. The problem with seeing the future is that, while the true psychic really did see SOMEthing, no one knows for sure (even the psychic) if it will be the future that actually unfolds.

So the psychic describes what they see, as unfiltered and un-self-interpreted as possible. If we make certain choices, it "comes true" and we regard the psychic as amazing. If it does not, we regard the psychic as a charleton.

If that is the true nature of time, a true psychic can never be 100% right, but that doesn't mean they lied or are just very bad at it. It depends more on us than them. And though many are liars, that doesn't discount the good ones, much like certain A-holes of your nationality do not represent the rest of you.

Nosty wrote A LOT of stuff and a LONG time ago. Some of the correlations are remarkable ... arguably beyond coincidence. But just because some never happened as predicted, doesn't mean he didn't see that and it also doesn't mean the rest are bullsh..ooters.

Spiff <img src="graemlins/scan.gif" border="0" alt="[Scan]" /> [Edit: add headlines]

[ September 14, 2001: Message edited by: SpacemanSpiff ]</p>

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Check this out!

The date of the attack: 9/11 ( 9 + 1 + 1 = 11)<br />September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11<br />After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the<br />year.<br />119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11<br />Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11<br />The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11<br />State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union<br />New York City - 11 Letters<br />Afghanistan - 11 Letters<br />The Pentagon - 11 Letters<br />Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted for orchestrating the attack on<br />the WTC in 1993)<br />Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11<br />Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11

Weird huh?

not that i believe this **** though.I've gotten it from another site.

 

[stormerne]

The 11th card of the Major Arcana of the Tarot is Justice.

So I put in the following search criteria into Google...tarot arcana justice 11<br />...and hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button. It came up with <a href="http://www.tarotcam.com/deck/major/justice.html" target="_blank">this page</a>, where it says:<br />"JUSTICE signifies a trial during which problems must be resolved, options weighed and choices made. This card carries a verdict which establishes fairness and equity following a long drawn-out battle. The mistakes and imbalances of the past are settled and corrected. All injustice then becomes ancient history."

Appropriate? Or just another coincidence?

[Edit: forgot to list the search criteria]

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[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Euhm ,Storm ,you're beginning to freak me out.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

This was on the bottem of the discription:

JUSTICE also speaks of being accountable for your past, whether this is an early life of imbalanced and negative behavior or a past life (if this is akin to your consciousness) of wrongdoings, mistrust, selfishness, egotism or greed. When this card appears, it is time to correct your past conduct and adjust your attitude and personality toward being more loving, gentle, selfless and honest.

I hope i don't step on anybody's tone's here

 

[starlifter]

<br />posted September 12, 2001 06:21 PM <br />This was faxed to me today...I don't vouch for the accuracy, but it is very eerie.

In the book of Centuries, Nostradamus wrote:

"In the year of the new century and nine months, from the sky will burn at 45 degrees. Fire approaches the great new city..."<br /> "In the city of York there will be a great collapse, 2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress falls, the great leader will succumb. the third big war will begin when the big city is burning..." <br /> <hr></blockquote>

<br />Just to make it clear to those who have never actually read the English translations of Nostro's quatrains, the above "quotes" are absolute crap. He did not write that... someone just took some of his other various words, made a lot of stuff up, and spewed out this nonsense.

Nostro was pretty darned good at a lot of his predictions, but also missed on a lot, too. most of what he wrote must be interpreted through the greek, latin, and various codes that he used... not to mention the translation from French to English. But once again, the dribble that is quoted in this post to Nostro is just bunk.

BTW, the Bible is a very good source for people that are interested in predictions... Nostro had a copy of the Bible when he was making his predictions, too. Try Revelations for starters.

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[mrog]

If these versus are predictions then why do they only make sense after the event and with a large dose of poetic licence?

<br />Tell me what is going to happen next BEFORE it happens and I'll be impressed.

 

[Flatlander Fox]

A friend of mine did the research, and discovered that the Nostro prediction is not true.

He stated "If you do the research, you will discover that he never said any such thing."

I will try and find the site that he looked up.

 

[willemvanoranje]

I can't find those phrases in the book I have....... But according to that book, Nostradamus already predicted WW III (he calls it the American-Chinese war) for 1999.

 

[Morgasshk]

You'd be able to find my quotes in the Encyclopaedia of the unexplained. Published in 1995.
If they are incorrect or wrong it isn't by my hand, I copied direct!

Morgasshk!