NoTW XIX: The Song of the Nightingale - Game Thread

Yay, first place and last survivor. Woot !

First of all I have to say it was a most excellent game and Pinman was a near perfect GM.
I'm really sorry for Niklas as he deserves the 1st place as much as everyone else, but I told you I thought qoou was innocent...

Anyway, since I have some time I'll start working on a more complete AAR.

Good Game all :goodjob: Can't wait for the sequel.
 
I have no time now, have to rush off to work. But I'll just quickly say great game!! Likely the most entertaining, if stamina-draining ;), NotW I've played.

Also I have to give my compliments to Renata for playing an absolutely brilliant game! I was so sure you were innocent right up until qoou died. You really only made one error - you should have said qoou was neutral. If you had, we would have still fumbled in the dark by now, the orb would have been destroyed, and you could have picked us off one by one. Glad you didn't... ;)
 
Wow, Renata, well played. Apart from a brief period after first talking to Niklas and Methos, I never even thought of suspecting you. Well done to the innocents, too, for working out what to do! :goodjob:

And of course, thanks Pinman for making this enthralling game! I very much enjoyed playing my mentally ill character (things you might not have realised about the cannoneer: 1) she got progressively more lucid as more people died and 2) due to the way cannonballs are piled up, she could only count in square numbers).

mythmonster: Actually I killed you. If I targeted a wolf with the orb, I would've died instead, and you were looking very innocent at that point. I tried LightFang because he was my second-choice possible wolf after qoou, IIRC, so at least that worked out.

gandhi: Yeah, I was going to send in a secret voice, but then forgot. Sorry. :p
 
First place here! Great set-up and play Pinman, I never had any idea what was happening.
 
The setup was great, but the game was wasted on me, since I didn't choose to take an active role in it, and nobody seemed to notice me in any way. Maybe 5 PMs total during the whole time.
 
Tasslehoff said:
How did Renata have no chance to win? Wouldn't the infernals have come?

Pinman tells me I could actually have won if I had targetted Methos instead of Niklas on the last night. :mad: :lol: But I never really considered that Kol.7 would give the knife to Methos; I thought it was most likely he would ask for the orb instead. I knew I couldn't target Kol.7 directly, so I gambled on choosing Niklas instead, hoping that Methos had enough doubts about Kol to demand that a third party destroy the orb.

As for me being doomed once the orb was successfully destroyed, they all knew I was the wolf once qoou died. So it just would have been a couple of days of pointless twiddling of thumbs waiting around for me to be lynched.

Kol.7 said:
My strength was 4 in the end. I don't know if that was too high for you.

Yep. My strength was only 2. That gave me no end of frustration. :)

Niklas said:
You really only made one error - you should have said qoou was neutral. If you had, we would have still fumbled in the dark by now, the orb would have been destroyed, and you could have picked us off one by one. Glad you didn't...

Actually I couldn't have picked you off one by one. I didn't have the strength -- I could never have tackled Kol.7, for instance. And I knew there was at least *some* suspicion against me out there; with so few players left, I didn't think I could count on being able to hold out much longer. That's what made me decide to gamble everything on one brazenly false accusation, to buy time to get to the last night, where I could hope you'd mess up the orb destruction, or that I could disrupt it somehow. And I did sort of forget about the poison until it was too late. :blush:

I made plenty of mistakes, really. Encouraging Tasslehoff to support me against Niklas was one of the big ones -- there were a whole lot of unintended consequences that sprang from being wrong about Niklas' role in the game. Niklas, you know me from SGOTM 7: ideas I have plenty of, but I don't always think things through as well as I should!

I still want to know what happened the first night with Backwards Logic, why no one tried "suicide scanning" until Catharsis did (or did you? I couldn't quite fit D'Artagnan59's death into the previous pattern), and a bunch of other things that aren't coming to mind right now.
 
We didnt try suicide scanning until catharsis because niklas has a prophet ability for a while which made that unnecessary to a certain extent and too valuable to waste. Then when he died, I took the orb, my objective was to survive so I didn't want to try anything risky. Niklas targeted BL at random on the first night because he didnt know what the orb would do.
 
That was a great game Pinman! I wasn't that active, but I tried... Woo second place! That is what I would get for an innocent victory right? Plus objective met
 
Out of interest, Pinman: if the silver knife (or cannonball) had been made earlier, would it have been possible to give it to the orb-holder, tell that person to attack themselves (speak their own name into the orb), and watch as wolves suicided against it one by one? That would've been fun. :D
 
@ Kol.7 -- I finally got around to reading Niklas' PM, and that cleared some things up. How'd you all figure out that targetting a werewolf would kill the holder of the orb?

@ Pinman -- There's a mistake in my PM; my objective included killing the Hippus shaman (D'artagnan), not gaining a weapon.
 
@Renata: Pinman told me after I had used it the first time that I would die if using it on a werewolf. I'll answer a lot of other stuff later.
 
So, is anyone doing a write-up? Perhaps Tolis could come and explain about my complex :p. (and yes, this really, honestly, absolutely is the last time I'll mention it ;))
 
Then, I died.
Sorry for killing you. But you were spreading lies about me, and I was pretty sure you were innocent, so... :mischief:

Congrats to the innocent team, and a big-sarcastic-thank-you to Niklas, for having the brilliant idea of killing me the first night. Thanks. :p
Well... at least our team won, no? And had you killed me, that could have been very different, so can you really fault me? :mischief:

Seriously though, I had no idea when I targetted you what the orb would actually do. Sure I guessed it was evil, but I actually didn't once consider that it would be guiding the kills. But I targetted you for exactly the right purpose it seems - I killed your husband, and I remember telling Pinman that if the orb did something bad to you, no big deal since you were likely the one who most wanted me dead after that. And now I see I was right! :D (But I also remember telling him that if it did something good, you would be a valuable ally.)

@Niklas: I hate playing in any team against you. :p
Right, that's why you should always strive to be on my side whenever you have the chance... :mischief: (Right Kol? :D)

Niklas, why'd you kill me? I found a werewolf!
As Catharsis said, it was him and not me that killed you, I was already dead at the time. But had I lived, you would actually have been my target too. With the orb mechanics in the game, being a known innocent was actually a liability, since it was a "safe kill" for us. That's how quite a few people died - Hitti-Litti, Charles Li, D'Artagnan, Chand, you.

I'll try to post a longer and more detailed AAR later tonight. If not tonight then tomorrow.
 
I'm writing up my own version right now -- be warned, it's ridiculously long.
 
Well, I'm late on mine because a) I've been procrastinating this morning and b) then my washing machine broke down and I've been sponging the floors for some hours now :mad:, then I have to try and fix it, and it's already late... (I'm on a cigarette break right now). So maybe later if the problem is easily fixed (which I think), maybe tomorrow if not.
 
Ok, you've been warned. Wordy wordiness ahead.

Night of the Wolves XIX, as experienced by Renata Plainsrider

Part 1 – Where is the orb?

Spoiler :
We all got our PMs, and I wasn’t really pleased to be a wolf my first time out. But I decided to make the best of it. Besides our individual PMs, merciary, Tasslehoff, LightFang and I received a list of collective abilities that we could use if and when we wanted. One of these was to detect the orb (we got one guess per night), one to destroy it if we knew where it was (this would mean no kill for that night), and one to destroy it without losing a kill if we could ever gain possession of it ourselves. Pinman told us later that destroying the orb ourselves might have bad consequences, but we didn’t know this at the beginning, nor what the consequences would be. We could save one of us from lynching at the cost of 2 strength, and could obtain a player’s PM for 1 strength. And finally, we knew that we could gain a werewolf victory if we reached the land of the Infernals after ten days/if the Infernals reached us, no matter what else might happen. This is what I was playing for towards the end.

I didn’t like the fact that none of the four of us had any items or individual abilities; I thought it made us stand out too much. I suggested we might want to divvy up some of our group abilities and claim them as individual ones, but that suggestion never really went anywhere. I did, however, think that I might want to try being a false prophet. Based on the information we were given about being controlled by the orb, as well as all of the Ashen Veil stuff in Pinman’s room, I was convinced that the person who held the orb must be evil himself. (Pinman must have had a good laugh at that.  ) So if we could find that person (probably one of the few, maybe the only, evil person in the game aside from us), I could “expose” him and gain some control over who was thought guilty and who innocent down the line. (Similarly, anyone we checked who didn’t have the orb would probably be innocent and could be recruited as part of a trusted “prophet” group.) Plus, we’d have a shot at gaining the orb in an item vote.

I didn’t do anything right away, though, because LightFang decided to check Kol.7 for the orb, for reasons to do with his own objective, and made it clear that he’d be trying to ingratiate himself with Kol. I didn’t want to interfere. Instead, I had fun making an annoyance of myself in the main thread, basically doing the exact opposite of what wolves (or prophets for that matter) are supposed to do. Luckily for me, it didn’t quite get me lynched.

The second night’s choice for scanning was Niklas – jackpot.


Part Two – Whyyyyy isn’t anyone listening to me? Or, getting Niklas lynched (not).

Spoiler :
I started my false prophet campaign on Day 3, by chatting up Catharsis. As a replacement for PrinceScamp, who had declared his innocence before leaving the game, I thought I could be sure he wasn’t evil. I claimed that I had scanned Backwards Logic the first night, only to see him killed, then Catharsis the second night. I wasn’t really sure if he believed my story, but pressed onward, telling him I suspected Niklas the most, but wanted to scan him the following night due to how good an ally he’d make if I were wrong. (And I had soooo many reasons to give for suspecting Niklas. Most of them were even the plain truth – remember, I was convinced he was evil!) In the meantime, Brisingamen had slipped up the previous day by joining a bandwagon against her “wife”, Gandhi_rules, something strange enough at that point in the game to give me a flimsy excuse to distrust her as well.

Accusing her brought me to Methos’s attention, as he PM’d me demanding to know why I’d just accused my own “father”. We had some conversations after that regarding who to suspect, which I BSed my way through as best as I could. I mentioned Niklas prominently, which must have triggered some suspicions, but didn’t tell him about the prophet thing, since he wasn’t “trusted” yet. Later, Methos came to me requesting that I accuse Izipo of possessing something evil, and I saw no reason to refuse. Anything to distract from the wolves!

I’m still not sure what exactly happened with that. I’m guessing that Niklas scanned Izipo and found him to be evil, then confronted him about it behind the scenes, at which point Izipo revealed the truth. Methos must have known this himself, because he told me only about a book of necromancy, something he couldn’t otherwise have known about, as the item prophet was inactive at that time. So why the public reveal? A test? In any case, the fact that Methos did not explicitly say that Izipo was evil would come in handy later on.

Meanwhile, Niklas organized the bandwagon on Brisingamen, and I “scanned” him that night. Evil, doncha know.

So the next day (day 4), Catharsis and I made plans to get Niklas lynched, and I eventually decided to “trust” Methos enough (due to him being right about Izipo’s book) to let him in on the secret. Methos pretended to play along. :p But this was the first point where I thought I was dead: Methos claimed knowledge of another prophet, one with the ability to detect alignment, which was very similar to what I claimed for myself. Pinman’s cleverness worked in my favor here; most of the good guys seem to have accepted the possibility that he’d done that on purpose just to create confusion.

The bandwagon against Niklas was coming along nicely though, or so I thought. I asked Tasslehoff to help me with it, figuring that a loose connection with one wolf wouldn’t hurt too much, especially once Niklas was confirmed as the evil, evil creature of nastiness I was so sure he was. Then Methos and Tyrs concocted their storm. I about popped a blood vessel with the frustration when Niklas was spared.

Overnight, I concocted a reason to scan Tolis (not evil). LightFang was starting to draw some suspicion, and I was determined to do everything I could not to be manipulated into “scanning” him. I wasn’t feeling very positive about my chances, though. Methos had apparently wanted me to scan *him*, and by not doing so I was convinced I had failed some kind of test.

But that was nothing compared to what I felt the next day (day 5)! For the second time I was convinced my cover was blown and it was all unraveling, as one by one all of my supposed allies told me sorry, but they weren’t going to vote for Niklas after all. And it was so obvious to me he was guilty, and I couldn’t figure out why it wasn’t so obvious to everyone else. The little I was told about Niklas’ story just made me more convinced he was selling everyone a line of BS. And not only was everything being revealed about the orb and the Infernals, which (in my mind) should have condemned Niklas in and of itself, but there’d even been another prophet (qoou) showing up to confirm that Niklas in fact possessed the orb. (Qoou PM’d Tasslehoff with the info, claiming it had come from someone else. Due to Methos’s earlier misdirection about Izipo’s necromancy book, I believed this information had in fact come from Methos and his allies. Thus making me even more confused.) I flounced my way through an aggrieved PM, only to be assured that I really was trusted, it was just that there were things going on that I didn’t know about. I didn’t know what to think. I was told only later that my false scan of Niklas had been written off as due to a distorting effect of the orb. Another case where I can thank Pinman for his sneakiness, I think.

In any case, I made a last-ditch effort to turn things around, asking Tasslehoff (who was already on the record as voting against Niklas) to forward qoou’s information to all and sundry. It didn’t work, just serving to throw suspicion upon Tasslehoff (bad) and qoou (good), and LightFang wound up tagged for execution. We wolves voted to use our save lynch ability and have Niklas killed instead, and you all know how that worked out.
 
Part 3: Ahhh, Enlightenment. And I lose my teammates.

Spoiler :
The night after Niklas was killed, I had a very difficult time coming up with someone to “scan”. I deflected questions about it by saying that I had decided but didn’t want to say who it was until I had an answer, but in reality I was wracking my brain trying to come up with a rationale for scanning anyone but Tasslehoff or LightFang. Finally I came up with a reasonable-sounding (to my addled mind, anyway) rationale for “scanning” Izipo. I sent the “results” – evil – to my “allies” and went to bed early.

Sometime during that night, everything that had baffled me about Niklas’ innocence suddenly clicked, and I was able to fill in the details of the orb story for myself, almost everything I didn’t already know from our wolf PM. I was so excited! I couldn’t wait to get to the computer to share everything I’d figured out with everyone. But when I got to the computer, I found two things:
--- my “allies” were not pleased with my choice of Izipo. Tolis was particularly accusing, claiming I had already been told that Izipo was evil, so why did I waste the scan?
--- Kol.7 wanted me to help Izipo revive Niklas!

I was running on a total high, having figured out what I had about the orb. I fired off an indignant response to Tolis, saying that sorry, but actually I did not know that Izipo was evil, only that he possessed an evil item, and that if they’d wanted to avoid me scanning him they should have just told me so. And I told Kol.7 to stuff it, figuring my demonstrated distrust of him and Izipo would let me get away with it. (I later found out that merciary and LightFang had agreed to Kol’s request. I don’t remember what Tasslehoff did.)

Later, I wound up in an IM conversation with Methos, where I spilled everything I knew or thought I knew about the orb, and he basically said, “ok, that’s great you figured it out, but how does that help us now”? (The wolves were similarly unenthused when I laid it all out for them. :lol: ) Which was sort of funny, because half the reason I had undertaken the whole orb discussion with him (besides for my own satisfaction in figuring things out) was because I didn’t think anything I said could help the innocents. I did wind up suggesting wolfsbane as a possible anti-orb defense (I figured even if it was true it would work, someone else was sure to think of it besides me). And I agreed to scan Tasslehoff the following night – first, the revelations about the orb made it clear why all the good guys were suspecting anyone who targeted Niklas (and they were right to do so); second, all of us wolves were under the impression that Tasslehoff had lost all of his strength in saving LightFang, so he made a good sacrifice. (I think we were actually wrong about this and he did have one point left. Pinman changed our stats a couple of times, which confused us.)

I wanted Izipo to die that day. Not only would it delay any wolves’ deaths a little bit longer, but I had also managed to convince myself that everyone – wolves and innocents alike – was in imminent danger of losing the game – to Izipo and a resurrected Pinman! Think about it: Izipo was evil. He had a book of necromancy. He had access to the orb wherein Pinman was trapped (he was allied with Kol.7, and Kol.7 was a thief). And he was currently attempting an “experiment” whose goal was not actually named in the text of its wording. I thought we were doomed.

Unfortunately for me, I was only able to convince Catharsis of the danger (and that only temporarily), and Tasslehoff died instead, without me getting the chance to demonstrate by bona fides by scanning him as evil.

Somewhere around that time, I started having computer trouble. My internet connection slowed down to a crawl, making CivFanatics unusable for me. We had it fixed a few days later to the tune of $168 (and it wasn’t even a virus like I’d thought, just a router problem!), and the only silver lining to the whole thing was that I didn’t have to come up with a scan for that night.

I got back online sometime in day 7 to find merciary up on the chopping block, and Catharsis with plans to “suicide scan” LightFang. There was nothing I could do to prevent either one.


Part 4: Endgame. So near and yet so far.

Spoiler :
On the night of Day 7, after merciary’s lynching, I decided to “scan” qoou, who had been attracting some suspicion. And I decided to call him as guilty. I knew by this point that I couldn’t hope to win in a game of attrition. I had only 2 strength, and no chance of getting more. (One of my biggest regrets for this game is that none of us wolves ever managed to acquire any useful items.) And I had little chance of getting Kol.7 (the major holder of the items, thanks to his thievery) lynched. So I decided to gamble everything on the good guys not being able to pull off the destruction of the orb, or on me being able to disrupt it somehow. To that end, I accused qoou to keep everyone’s thoughts away from me for as long as possible.

That’s basically it. Before he died, LightFang used his last strength point to get me Izipo’s PM, which confirmed his innocence and Niklas’, and I used that info to make a second “scan” of Niklas accurate. (I had been wondering if he had been resurrected as evil.) I killed Tolis on night 8 to further distract attention from me – people knew he’d been an ally and possibly knew he would have voted against qoou. On the last day, I learned from Methos that there was in fact a plan in place to destroy the orb (I had suspected it, but didn’t know for sure until then), and what he described sounded like it would work. So I figured my last shot was to try to kill the person who was trying to destroy the orb. As I mentioned in previous posts, I knew I couldn’t attack Kol.7 and win; I gambled on Niklas, and I guessed wrong. Oh well!

It was fun.
 
I actually tried to kick out a Nightingale Tea Party for all the women (so i someway later could backstab stuck in pi to fulfill my objective.) But only two replied and then it all went forgotten.

I sent a pm to Renata about that i knew he was a prophet and that it might be dangerous to shout out that... He made it very obvious, and i actually thought that it probably was one of your first games and didn't know that stuff. I guess it was meant to be obvious :lol:
 
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