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More money doesn't always mean an easier and more comfortable life. People accept the common organisational structure because it is easier and the pay is no different.

And bottom to top organisation isn't anarchy, it is democracy.
 
How would an anarcho-capitalist society deal with imperfect information and misinformation? If everyone was a "rational" being in the capitalistic sense, why do people have children?
 
if the turf system turns out to be profitable, then indeed could happen. i doubt that though, because pda-s like other companies are composed of civilised people and are all interested in expanding their business, which contradicts rigid borders.

Nonsense. In a highly political market, the PDAs would stick to serving a group of customers who are sympathetic to each other, who share the same culture, interests and customs (the PDA would probably be native as well). They would do this in order to reduce the risks, because when you're serving a widespread multidute of communities and groups, you run the risk of having your business sabotaged by political groups in areas unrelated to a conflict or dispute, and you also risk having your business seized by groups in areas where they take sides in political fights. So for instance, you have culture A, which has a dispute with culture B, and the dispute turns into a skirmish between their PDAs. Subsequently, the conflict escalates and spreads into other sympathetic communities. Now, imagine, one PDA serving both sides and how incredibly risky its situation would be. The PDAs would try to avoid developing so far and wide, instead they'd specialize in concentrating their services to one culture.

International PDAs would be marginal. Instead, PDAs, together with their customers, would form political and military alliances with others who they and their customers trust.

Indeed, the PDAs interests would be intricately tied with the interests of local regimes, cartels and turfs. Instead of expanding alone, the PDA would support physically expanding the turf where they operate, again in order to minimize risk. The PDA would coax and co-operate with the local regimes in aggression.

Of course, in many cases, PDAs wouldn't even exist as such. Private regimes would simply rely on their own mercenary armies.

also the demand for different variations of defense services within an area could prevent a monopoly from forming.

Political coercion would guarantee a monopoly or a cartel.

further, there is no govnerning as such, it is just a service.

Yes, there is violent enforcement of private property, regimes and rules. Thus there would be politics and governance.

people generally dont want to surrender their freedom, which would be necessary for an areal monopoly to form.

Contractual relationships are not always voluntary. People can be forced to surrender their freedom in many situations.

to protect their increasing capital which needs more troops in proportion as they are attractive targets for counterattack.

Axiomatic: as capital expands, so does the military strength.

Guarding capital is elementary in warfare. In almost all wars, states have used more armed men to guard and protect bridges, roads, railroads, factories, warehouses and workshops than they have actually deployed into battle. But this is not inherent to powerful empires or powerful rich organizations, all societies in war must do so. Even the small.

In a highly political and volatile economy, anyone who wants to keep his economy secure, designs his capital deployment with potential conflicts in mind like medieval Europe where they built hundreds of thousands of castles and fortifications to protect their human and economic capital even in horrendous wars.

rich people have the most to lose if they are to organise aggression.

No. The small have the most to lose because they're weak. The rich and powerful will believe that they have greater risk and damage taking capacity if an aggressive business endeavour fails.

authoritarian state != ancap

The British Empire and the Roman Empire were private tyrannies; they were large, but private. In anarcho-capitalism, there’s no reason to assume that a private tyranny wouldn’t or couldn’t be authoritarian.

i meant as in retaliation and loss of one's own capital

War can be self-destructive, but it’s also very profitable, which is why it has been waged so much.

so the other people wont agree to use such arbitrators and will use those that have positive reviews, good reputations(the spread of which can only be limited with a totalitarian government)

No. They will become meaningless institutions. Paper machines at best. Perhaps capable of solving some minor cases occasionally, but the powerful could largely ignore them.

think you are overemphasizing this, the whole world isnt a gaza sector where radically different worldviews clash. and if they do, the police arent any better at solving that either. they never even go to the bad neighbourhoods of islamic france

Actually, the Federal Government and other governments have been capable of bringing down such cultural and social clashes. Savage traditions have been rooted out forcibly as they should.

But anyway, I am not overemphasizing it. In anarcho-capitalism, all the political institutions as we know them would be abolished. Politics, however, would never dissipate. The essence of politics would recontextualized in the private regimes and entities, which might develop into something like the warring Greek cities or petty monarchies in the medieval Germany, and then into a larger empires. Cultural and political barriers wouldn't probably dissipate; on the contrary, they'd be re-invigorated. The inevitable result would be a society that might organize against foreign aggression, but would wage war against itself even more. Soon you would have private regimes, gated communities and gated cities.

A good example of how culture influences the markets is the labour market. Despite government policies to open up the labour market, only approximately 20 % of jobs are advertised openly, thus only 20 % are open to somewhat unfettered competition. The rest 80 % of jobs are filled by the employer through informal links and associations, i.e. through a market that is distorted by various people's personal biases and preferences. Some employer knows a guy who knows another (white) dude who can do good accounting. Or, someone looks for a job and knows someone who knows an employer (a good Muslim) who might hire. In these sorts of situations, the cultural barriers are a major obstacle to success for people of different ethnic and cultural background. So there's no one vast human resources centre where an employer/potential employee can go shopping. (So the libertarian argument against anti-discrimination laws also fails.)

uneconomical, even one lost trained troop costs a lot(after all, it takes good competitive paychecks and insurance to attract soldiers in the first place,training,insurance,

First of all, there’s no reason to assume that soldiers cost a lot. There are hardy third world folks who can shoot a gun for hundred bucks. And due to the rush to the bottom, extreme inequality would permeate in an anarcho-capitalist society; many mercenaries wouldn’t afford to demand fancy insurance or pay. Furthermore, some communities could have conscription or a citizen militia system.

falling morale among troops as theyre against aggression)

This is merely an assumption. There are mercenaries in history that had no qualms with conquering other nations. One good example of this is the great moral hero of Spartacus. When he served in the Roman army, he had no qualms about serving in the Roman slaughter machine and conquering alien peoples for the Empire. But only when the Empire ordered him to turn on his own folks, he deserted, but was captured and sold to slavery.

Also, normal people can do hideous atrocities as well. People participating in the holocaust believed it was the right thing to do. Some of the worst atrocities of the colonial empires were committed by conscript soldiers. Yet, however, popular pressures forced governments to humanize their policies, not capitalists or traders.

, which is hard to offset with any gains; and free gun trade is the great equalizer, moving risks further up.

Doubtful: it will mostly make wars incredibly more destructive; gun trade already has empowered third world tribes to engage in aggression they could have only dreamed of previously. And no, contrary to the popular myth, an armed population will not stop an organized army. An army will always overcome a mob (and before you say anything, the Taliban isn’t a mob, nor were they cheap relative to the US since they’ve built up their military capital with the several year long repression of an entire nation).

while its nearly impossible to make a profit in an area where people have risen to arms against oppressors,

No, many have profited from war. You have yet to explain really how the war could be unprofitable since I’ve already explained how it can be.

there is no former bureaucratic power to take over that would simplify the process of controlling people.

Yes there will likely be something. There would be the previous private regime’s offices, infrastructure, camps and so forth. The private regime would also have to know identities of whoever it trades with.

(and why would those who already have a great successful business and money take such an UNECONOMICAL, as i specified above,risk).

There are thousands of plausible scenarios. First of all assuming that these mercenary riff raff will work like a firm, businesses do have an incentive to expand: they’re profit seeking entities after all since they likely to serve shareholders or allies. For example, a private regime might be facing gradually diminishing returns, bad investments, but has plenty of ready men and weapons in inventory. One day it might decide to make literal hostile takeover of few businesses.

with free gun trades a retaliation is extremely easy(rocket launcher aimed at rich bastard's skyscrapers to create terror like in israel)

The only reason why Israel won’t wipe Gaza off the face of the Earth is because of the decency of Israel's population and its collaborator state's population as well. US Israeli governments are quite corrupt in this issue and if they could summon an all out, solve-it-once-and-for-all kind of operation, they could ethnically cleanse not just Gaza but the West Bank. But the governments probably wouldn't survive.

breaks contract -> loses respect from other clients who choose different pda-s instead -> bancrupcy

Again, there can be countless of scenarios to contradict this line of logic. It might not even be a PDA, but a bundled company with multiple services (even thousands of different names all over the world).

centralised military bueraucracy being unprepared.. and sure they control the oceans, at what cost? the insane burden on taxpayers in return for crappy services and spend-o-mania is a joke

It’s about 4 % of the GDP, which is not very much. If you could scratch the corrupt contractors, stupid cold war projects, reduce useless nuclear arsenal, and stuff like that, you can further reduce it defense spending in proportion to GDP.

With roughly 2-4 % of US GDP, the US can control all of the world’s oceans and can project power into almost any crisis zone. That’s not terribly inefficient. Whether or not it’s worth it is another issue. It might not be.

biggest business freedom, no corrupted government business deals -> WAY HARDER to form monopolies, let alone make a profit at military aggression.

No, with ready access to violent enforcement, a cartel would easily expand.

Cartelization would occur rapidly. Companies would have the incentive to form a cartel because it would reduce competition and increase certainty for the capitalists. Now, the libertarian objection to this argument is: well, if they jack up prices, other companies will be formed to replace them and the cartel will disintegrate. While I think that line of reasoning has been refuted: usually technological, skill and economic scale barriers will prevent the quick formation of new companies in easily cartelized lines of business. And the cartel could respond by lowering prices temporarily, this bankrupting the competitors in their infancy. Of course, when prices are naturally high, the cartel will be weakened, but when they drop, the cartel will be reconsolidated again: thus, perhaps, creating a cyclical effect.

But in anarcho-capitalism, several private entities, perhaps united by culture and sympathies, will gather and form a cartel. In anarcho-capitalism, these cartels would also invite private PDAs to act as their enforcers or they’d form their own military, perhaps under some pretext. Thus, they could not only remove competitors from business, they could enforce their own law and protections. The population would be forced to purchase the goods of the cartel. Furthermore, they could remove competing Medias, and replace them with Cartel propaganda.

As for the other rival PDAs, they’d be impoverished when the businesses and communities they serve are sabotaged by the cartel’s subversion. Eventually, assuming they're international PDAs, they’d abandon the communities because of the extreme risk involved in protecting the weak and the poor in face of a much more powerful enemy. If they're local PDAs, they'd probably surrender.

As for the Cartel's trade relations. they could be reformed. The cartel might buy the loyalty of other private regimes through shared loot and spoils, through guaranteed privilieges in the annexed markets, or just through plain bribes. Also, often cultural and political symphaties could also work in consolidating alliance and trade relations regionally and abroad. And as for reputation. There would be a huge PR business as I explained already.

u coerce the forces u use to coerce? circular argument anyone?

This not a circular argument, absolutely not. You can coerce in a contractual relationship through the use of a disciplinary system. And sometimes this has been taken to the extreme: for example, many ancient phalanxes just placed foreign mercenaries and fresh recruits in the middle line, so that they could hacked down by experienced and more trustworthy mercenaries and soldiers placed in the back should they attempt to flee.

In modern armies, you could devise all sort of disciplinary methods.
 
How would an anarcho-capitalist society deal with imperfect information and misinformation? If everyone was a "rational" being in the capitalistic sense, why do people have children?
 
both sides lose money, why would the want to initiate action that would result in loss of money.

Maybe because of the potential profits from conquering profitable property. I'm not saying all war is profitable, then we'd have war all the time.

how would they be formed in a free market- regimes generally rely on taking over a power vacuum. ifthere is no vacuum, as in a free market minarchist state slowly privatizing defense, another method would need to be used

You don't need a power vacuum. That's not an assumption that I've made.

you have yet to show how to do this against people with guns and make a profit. the morals of the vast majority is to respect private property, especially if there is universal fun ownership.

Yes I have explained it. This is the myth that I call "the Swiss myth" is that when you have an armed population, an organized army will have hard time conqering it. This isn't true. From all we can tell, the nazis could have invaded Switzerland easily, but they had no incentive. Truely, a case of unprofitable war, as you might have it, but not because of the armed population, which would have been wiped out, but due to terrain and certain important capital: the Swiss industry, which already produced important goods like precious ballbearings for the nazi tanks. The nazis preferred to leave this capital undamaged, and since the Swiss co-operated, the nazis didn't conquer.

There is a difference between an armed population -- an armed mod -- and and armed fighting force -- a true armed force. And that difference is demonstrated throughout history.

Now before you mention, for example, the Taliban and their painfully successful resistence against the international (mostly american) force, keep in mind that the Taliban has accumilated decades of military capital through robbery of the Afghani people, through purchase of weaponry, establishment of links and organizations: for years, they had an entire nation to exploit, so their resistence certainly didn't come cheap; their militarism backwarded their nation and economy. And so far, the Taliban is one of the rare examples of a successful modern guerilla movement. Guerilla failures are far more frequent.

yeah and rich aggressors must use capital both in offense and defense, whereas defenders only in defense, and have the advantage of being able to utilise guerilla tactics. what is yor point

In war both the aggressor and the defender has to engage in offensive moves. It is true that the attacker is somewhat at a disadvantage (which is why offensive advantages, such as suprise, are greatly valued.) But none of this stops wars, because an aggressor can prepare for the offensive disadvantages.

And guerilla wars are usually a failure for the guerillas. There are more guerilla failures than successes.

what is it exactly that the poor have to lose?

The earth on which they stand. Their labour, their resources, their whatever they have.

Your assumption is that these are totally impoverished people with nothing at all to deprive. That's not the reality, so your objection is not worth discussing.

and is it worth enough for the rich to risk losing their wealth while getting it?

There are people on wall street who risk their entire wealth in order to accumilate more. Warlords, entrepreneurs, conquerors and all sorts of people have risked more than they know in order to get something bigger. Of course, there is something called risk management. You can reduce personal risks through all sorts of methods: perhaps through the services of a criminal company that will provide you with flight in case your war business goes sour.

doesnt abide decision of a well respected arbitration company(market determined) -> gets credit rating, crime rating, personal reputation lowered by other companies that interact with the arbitrator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuzU3XIHHQs&feature=channel_page (at 5.00 and onwards explains rich vs poor court cases and why state courts suck)

Unless the regime is well connected, has a solid credit rating (i.e. is very rich and has a sustainable business, or many businesses, connections to major credit rating agencies or ownership over them), its people have personal power and prestige and so on and so forth.

Again, only the small people would obey the law -- whatever law. And they'd accept the private excesses of their overlords, because they wouldn't have any meaningful way of objecting to it, since they cannot afford the services of a private court. Even if they could, the rich could mobilize unsurmountable resources against the poor individual. (some of these problems already exist in our system, but would be made infiniately worse in yours)

In a public court system at least, there are some protections for a person regardless of his status, wealth or power. Of course, the public court system isn't flawless, but I don't think that an unregulated private court system could be considered an improvement.

state law system has very little guns compared to amount of clients, means that they arent already necessary

What? :lol:

You don't have guns present everywhere. That's moronic. You merely have to have the threat of overwhelming violence that the state can potential unleash.

remember: this stuff exists already(ebay, service reviewers in internet, etc) and works

It sucks: it gives liars power.


check out various attempts to corner markets. once the cornerers lower prices to prevent other people taking part in it, the guys CORNERING IT lose more money than other market participants.thus they go bust.

Yeah, I'm sure cornering the market works better when you're a cartel and you have the access to force of arms if you're cornering goes bad. You can force people to buy your goods.

thats what they were, governments. but you cant deny that they got the vast majority of their power(modern italy and england respectively) through being nice to people and offering services that they wanted(colosseums, free entry for the little guy, etc), not by torture and brutality, which you seem to advocate as the method of achieving power.

That's ridicolous. In the Roman Empire, 25 % of the population was enslaved. The rest of the underclass lived in such poverty that they could not afford to move elsewhere. This status quo was maintained by the force of arms which protected the privileges of the overclass, which consisted of the very rich, the mafia of sorts. Only a rather narrow class of citizens existed, who could buy land in, say, Gaul or something, and establish their independent livelihoods. Of course, the citizenship changed when it was expanded to the entire population, but extreme inequality permeated.

The sort of welfare and entertainment that you associate with the Roman regime, existed largely in the privileged Italy, the core of the Empire. And there were food rations, "entitlements" for a population of a city, but these were pretty much concessions, really, just enough to prevent uprising among the poor. If you call this "giving people what they want", you're thinking in the confine of some Stalinist delusion.

No, medieval Britain and the Roman Empire were private tyrannies, because they were ruled and owned by narrow groups of individuals, rather than owned by the people and controlled by elected officials as the modern state is. The power of these ancient regimes wasn't sustained by genuine popular demand, but preserved with the force of arms and delusions of propaganda.

productivity in present first and second world is big enough for everyone to afford a big gun(if there is no regulation) which makes the war dynamic somewhat different from those days.

Axiom: increased productivity also means that those with more capital can produce or purchase more weaponry in quantity and quality. They have the advantage in economies of scale.
 
@xarthaz: I typed a long hypothetical scenario about a corporation turning into a state, but then I just realized there's a much easier way to say the same thing. I believe you are familiar with the term conspiracy. You say that if some company turned aggressive, it would easily be thwarted by a coalition of rival PDAs. But what if a charismatic leader could unite several strong companies and their PDAs in a plot to take over an area of land for themselves? They wouldn't have to care about resistance since they'd easily crush it. You'd think that this takeover would be unprofitable, and in the short term you would be right. But in the long term the opposite is true. The companies within this new turf could begin to squeeze the local population with monopoly prices on their products. Also, once they had formed a state-bureaucracy, they could organize a powerful army and go on a rampage in the neighbouring companies/'countries'. Using neutron-bomb and poison-gas ultimatums, the population of those areas would be quickly convinced that slave-labour is the best thing since sliced bread. :D

They could ofc acquire some areas peacefully also. But once their own population would be indoctrinated enough (a decade at most), they could simply exterminate or enslave the 'native' populations, and substitute their own. The new state would encourage breeding on an unprecedented level; the conquests would be very profitable since the slave labour could be added to the economic potential of the acquired and re-populated lands. And make no mistake about it; those lands would be literally 'sucked dry' of their resources (except for some key areas specifically chosen to be kept in good condition), with no regards to environmental issues etc.

Along the way propaganda, flags & songs etc, and spoils of war would be used to sell the new situation to the people; the leader would be a new Hitler in essence regarding charisma. Take a look at the list that I posted earlier for reasons for people not to resist this. Those who resisted would be either bribed, defamed by the corrupted media, or taken care of by the corrupted justice system and work in labour-camps for that juicy extra profit. :goodjob: Also a rogue firm from outside the state might be employed in making fake terrorist attacks against the new state, to convince people that the government is simply protecting its citizens against outside threats with the new rules and regulations. And that the invasions are simply to get rid of alleged terrorists. I think this excuse might already be used by someone in the real world... :mischief:

If you think all this would affect the companies' sales abroad, you are right, but keep in mind this is a gradual and 'masked' process, although it doesn't sound like it when described. (The initial takeover would be mostly peaceful since many companies would realize the benefits or their leaders could be blackmailed/bribed.) The companies could employ international propaganda and sell their products overseas where not many people would care about their 'alleged' (keyword here) atrocities. Take a look at how many child-labour products are being sold today; many people don't think twice or even once about buying them. If they were local companies, then this situation would be a dream come true since there would be no downsides, no threat of competition against them and they could freely charge monopoly prices.

Eventually these companies would ofc be totally nationalized, so that all reputation-worries would disappear. States are way more resistant to market forces than companies. The new state would forge alliances with rogue companies and other similar states and proceed to take over more territory. Eventually the world would be controlled by fascist dictatorships... :sad:

Fact of the matter is, society seems infinitely more moral now than it inherently is - that is, without state laws and state police. In an-cap, humanity's ugly side would be very quickly revealed. The conspirators have nothing to lose except their inhibitions (assuming they have any), while those working against them have everything to lose because of their inhibitions (need to make profit in all situations, etc).

Also, few more issues:

1. You assume that profit = everything. For a company this is so, but what about a religious group, a criminal organization, etc.? Some people do enjoy coercion for coercion's sake, believe it or not. And they could convince companies to go along with it; think of the influence the religious, mafia etc. have today, even on big governments.

2. The justice system is a big ****ing mess basically. What would happen if some court gave a different verdict than another one? Which would be followed? And why, if the accused party has a powerful enough PDA? Can you imagine the injustices if justice could simply be bought by the highest bidder? You claim that 'arbitrators would lose their credibility'. Court cases are already very complicated, and powerful enough entities could obfuscate the details to no end in such 'unjustified' cases. And so what if they lose their credibility? An unscrupulous court would on the contrary be gladly employed by companies that would use all their pr to make it appear credible enough. And really this is all about enforcing and not about credibility. Since there is no central authority, the most powerful company coalitions with the most powerful PDAs would have the most powerful courts in their pockets... Most powerful not because of credibility but because of their ability to enforce the court's decisions. You don't need any more than superficial credibility (i.e. good propaganda) if you have enough money, warm bodies and guns. One could simply say that force = credibility.

3. What about the extremely poor and disabled? Would they end up as dog-food in an-cap? After all, a handicapped person is always a severe liability. If you mention the word 'charity', I think I may have to puke here.

4. About the magical 'an-cap mentality': first it's a cure to all problems, now it doesn't exist? :crazyeye: Basically people value their lives and even their comfort much more than (total) freedom. The brave and valiant resistors to corporate tyranny simply do not exist in the amounts that are necessary for an-cap to work properly. Even if they did, I still think coercion would win out in the end. But it would be much harder. However, this 'real' world is the only one we have, and you haven't yet demonstrated how this magical freedom-loving spirit would be instilled in the people. Like I said, I cannot think of a way for it to develop, other than just assuming that it already exists.
 
The answer is: it is in the interests of private governments to solve problems peacefully, as an attack against a government representing someone else will surely attract a counterattack and cause the destruction of the capital of those who pay for the governments clients. Thus, only rational, peaceful governments will be able to keep their customers.
Men are neither completely rational, nor omniscient. When we make day-to-day decisions we do not often consider any consequence in twenty years. If we do, nobody would be obese, no one would use drug, and how would anyone want to kill a dozen people then shoot himself?

Part of the reason market still works is that while we err, often we err in opposing directions. Where you find someone daring, you will also find someone prudent. When looking at the whole population, the extremes cancel out each other, allowing us to appear more rational. But the population as a whole may drift in a particular way. In good times, for example, everyone tends to overlook the risk of, say, a collapse of property prices, which in turn fuels the property bubble, making everyone feeling even better. That happened not (only) because of governmental intervention (such as pressuring banks to lend more), but also because of our innate lack of ability to foresee.

In essence, anarcho-capitalism and Marxism share the same metaphysical doctrine: that truth is manifest. When a truth is laid bare, a man can see it and know that it is truth. Those who do not see the truth are ignorant because something clouded their vision: for anarchists, it is the government; for Marxists it is the class distinction. Thus, when these interfering clouds are removed, we can expect people to see the truth, and therefore to behave in a way conforming to our idea of good. The anarchy parts of both ideology came from this very expectation.

The problem here is twofold. Are we sure that removing those clouds could really work? Obviously it didn't in the case of Marxism. When classes were forcefully removed, those in charge did not immediately realise, in the way Marx hoped, that egalitarianism was for everyone's ultimate benefit. Rather, they sought to consolidate their control over the resources, the means of production, the media, etc. Eventually the Soviet Union became one of the most unequal places, in terms of the kind of power the rulers could exert on their subjects. The attempt to remove the upper classes resulted in creating an even more powerful ruling class. How would you know that something similar would not happen in an anarcho-capitalist society?

But assume for a second that people will see truth, are we sure that that will lead them to do the good thing? It was this confusion between morality and truth that John Nash's work shed light on. As Jericho suggested, a PDA will have a long term incentive to assault its rivals to prove that it is better, especially when the PDA is reasonably larger than the rival, which limits the potential cost of an assault. However perfect a market is, the market itself cannot prevent people from defecting (in the sense of prisoner's dilemma), particularly if it is possible for a player to terminate any further interaction (i.e., a lame-duck strategy for an iterated prisoner's dilemma). In other words, if you are unfortunate to be rich enough, the PDA you hired for so long may just decide to rob everything you have, and quit the business so they don't care about their reputation anymore. Even if they don't kill you, you won't have anything left to exchange for a service from another PDA to revenge.



Modern liberalism (of the European sense) works on the principle that truth is not manifest. Anyone can make mistakes, including both capitalists and the government. When we design a political system, the right question to ask is not "what the system can do", but "what happens when the system fails", and "how can we limit the damage when the system fails". The reason we support free market is not that the market is perfect, but that a government is not perfect either. In bad times, it doesn't take a regulator to tell people that buying property might not be such a smart idea, and the regulator would not have foretold when the bad time was coming in any way - most vividly demonstrated by Gordon Brown, the British ex-chancellor of exchequer and now prime minister, who asserted that he had ended the business cycle of boom and bust. When the regulator makes a mistake, it may be liable to cause larger damage, for example by setting interest rate for too low for too long. This is the field where you should fight for liberalism. Fighting to abolish the government, though, is as much a folly as abolishing classes.
 
how can they get the wealth in the first place if their ratings are low due to ignoring courts. if businesses ignore courts and rating companies, they simply wont have anyone to do business with, because other people dont want to lose their money to con men.

Assuming first that the credit raters would care… they probably wouldn't. Why would they? If the company has a good, sustainable business, the credit raters don't care, because they also wish to preserve their own credibility and analyze the fundamentals, not cosmological moral issues.

did u watch the vid? talked about the little guy & courts.

Yes, and the video was pathetic. It didn't explain the problem when you have a disparity of power and prestige between the individuals/organizations that are facing in court. At all, really. It just answered the lawyer availability for those who cannot afford them, and it did that dubiously as well.

I mean come on, if a private court had found an oil company guilty of polluting a bay with oil in a case of incompetence, thus destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands. A private court instructs the company to pay a hefty bill; do you seriously think that refusal to comply would have really hurt the company’s credit rating if the company had a sustainable and a profitable business model? No serious successful business person would believe that this company is any less reliable than previously. They’d lambaste the credit rating agencies as having “moral bias”, not serious business perception.

yeah the area that gave them the economic muscle had decent or good conditions

First of all, Italy was hardly the centre of the Rome anymore (even the capital was moved away eventually, administrative centres moved away long before that). Well, it was a centre of civilian economy, but it wasn't the power base of the empire anymore. Carthage and North Africa were important agricultural produces. Much of production was elsewhere as well. Constantinople, Ravenna, Germanic borders were much better locations for the regimes administration. So, if the empire had lost swathes of Italy, it wouldn't have been as damaging as loosing North Africa, Greece or Turkey.

Secondly, no. Most of the population in Italy lived in squalid conditions. In Rome, there were more slaves and unfree people than citizens. And the "welfare" wasn't anything except few concessions, hardly enough to pamper the population. So your argument is unconvincing.

so what is the mechanism of getting profit from aggression.
One mechanism is enslavement, whether direct or indirect (i.e. imposition of barriers that control the population for your profit, Truck Slavery for example). Populations can be forced to purchase the products of a specific company, for example, one associated with the occupiers. Another method is simply the robbery of resources, capital, technology, information, and so on and so forth. And thirdly, annexed land can be developed for the benefit of you, your people and customers.

the people certainly arent useful except for slave labour which has little productivity,

No. Slave trade persisted for a long time and it was very profitable. And you don't really have to enslave them in the Roman style. You can occupy them and tax their economy, and enslave only partly. Impose barriers and requirements that benefit you and your associates, and which repress the population to the extent that they’re unable to resist.

the useful capital of the concured area will be largely destroyed(the napoleon arriving in moscow scenario).

No. The Napoleon arriving in Moscow scenario is rather the exception in war. Unlike Russia, most defenders don't have a massive landmass where they can safely flee, so they pitch their defense at their border or in proximity of their major cities and strategically important locations. Often capital was left largely intact, because the defenders still hope to win or get a stalemate solution, because after all, scorched earth policy impoverishes the defender.

the rest of the world through your ignored law suits

Nope. Political allies could ignore the courts. Again, the courts would be naturally ethnically and politically biased, which would provide a good excuse for everyone to ignore them. There would be international courts, but they'd be irrelevant. Sorta like the UN.

will result in rating companies devaluing you
Again, perhaps. But, the rating companies would not devalue you out of moral considerations (because they want to preserve their credibility and focus on fundamental business, the bottomline). A private regime could acquire political support from other regimes, religious groups, ethnic groups, disreputable business, secretive business allies and so forth. So, the credit rating agencies are not really a viable way of preserving peace.

and the rest of your business shrinking due to BIG BIG military costs(10:1 troop advantage necessary to win guerillas supported by people)

That's simply not true in my opinion. It might be true for a country like the US, which seeks to control the entire region and win hearts and minds, and organize a "democratic" state, but not for a regime like Nazi Germany, which could control massive swathes of Europe without any really successful guerilla movements that could significant subvert German stranglehold over Europe. And the nazis ddidn't have massive resources at their disposal. For example, in a time when nuclear weapons were being developed under the deserts of USA in high tech laboratories, the nazi Einsatzgruppen used incredibly primitive methods like ice axes and basic firearms to control and massacre populations of millions. They were simply well organized, cruel and cleaver.

whether guerillas have won most wars is irrelevant as we are talking about a specific subset of guerilla war:

It is not irrelevant. It shows that guerrilla fighting is not a viable measure to prevent wars.

against a profit making organisation,

An organization can consider long term profits and use other businesses to offset losses in another part. Assuming they even care about profits: they could just offset losses with taxes levied on their slaves and serfs.

not a state that already has a sure way of making profit

Ok. First, the private regime shares its plans with secret benefactors and supporters, in order to acquire startup funding for their enterprise. The private regime first targets highly profitable industries, like diamond mining, oil business and exotic manufactures. It uses the profits to consolidate its military and economy before continuing. It shares the profits from these conquests with its backers (hopefully in secret, perhaps through incomprehensible securitization or some other obscuring business construct. Or through simple money laundering, like many kleptocracies have done in the past and less frequently today).

Today, the situation is improving. The private dictators in the Third World (which is a lot like anarcho-capitalism, which is why it is the third world) have done exactly what I describe in various different ways. They’ve taken over countries and destroyed democracies, but today, when the governments have taken harsh and systematic measures against private dictators (despite private business opposition), coups and military regimes are less likely to pop up, and even when they do, they’re less likely to persist due to potential trade sanctions. In anacho-capitalism, all of this hard won progress would be totally reversed.

in countries with government spending is 15% of gdp the big companies could organise a stronger army

Not big companies, but rich people.

On planet Earth, the richest 1 % of households own more than 40 % of the wealth, 50% of world's adults own just 1% of the wealth. In anarcho-capitalism, the richest 1 % would quickly become a political overclass (because they are already), but now there’s regulation on their activities, at least, in anarcho-capitalism there would none. They could exploit with impunity, because they could by the armies and weapons to do so.
 
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