Odd Earth Relic

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Anyone else bugged with the name of this building ?
How can you "build" an Old Earth Relic ?
First it isn't from Earth, since its being assembled on an alien planet
Second, by turn 229 I will build a new city, and the first building to generate culture is an "Old" Earth Relic, that is newer than my capital that is almost 2 centuries by the time ?
Wouldn't make much more sense name it Old Earth Museum ?
The idea of the bulding is clearly a reminder of Earth, but a Museum can always have artificts or expositions built that replicate the ones on Earth, and still make an homenage

 

[Lancor]

We dont know if the old earth relic is available to all cities or just the first capital. But I hope there will be a nice infame encyclopedia again to explain buildings.

 

[Doviello]

Maybe they just took information they brought from earth - like a digital file with thousand of paintings, or information about the stuff we use in our daily lives that they don't use over there - and the old earth relic is like you said, a museum, with stuff fabricated on Planet but replicating one aspect of old Earth. So it's ok for an old earth relic to be built on turn 200; after all, it has a maintenance cost or 1/energy/turn, the same of a medical clinic! In my mind the relic is not actually a thing, thing, that didn't consume any energy until they decided to bring it up from the ship baggage.

 

[SupremacyKing]

We dont know if the old earth relic is available to all cities or just the first capital.

Actually, I am sure it can be built in all cities. It is essentially the monument building in civ5, an early game source of culture. If it could only be built in your capital, you would have no way to increase your culture in the early game. Plus, in civ games, buildings are always available in all cities. I don't think there has ever been a building that only the capital can build.

 

[ManOfRet]

Well, I don't think the Relic itself is supposed to be "Old" as much as the Relic represents what "Old Earth" was all about. The "Old" modifier, in this case, is referring to the Earth, not the Relic.

In other words, it's a relic to old earth.

 

[s0nny80y]

I wonder if the harmony affinity benefits without the relic as a mechanic to focus on harmony focused replacements since harmony affinities do not wish to contact earth, independent of planetary resources, in the immediate (relatively speaking, in game scale) future.

 

[Doviello]

I wonder if the harmony affinity benefits without the relic as a mechanic to focus on harmony focused replacements since harmony affinities do not wish to contact earth, independent of planetary resources, in the immediate (relatively speaking, in game scale) future.

Nah the old relic is avaliable earlier than you can really focus on any affinity. But i guess one could still justify the relics culture bonus for Harmony. "we may have changed to become more at home in this planet, but we are still humans" - this sort of thing.

 

[SupremacyKing]

Nah the old relic is avaliable earlier than you can really focus on any affinity. But i guess one could still justify the relics culture bonus for Harmony. "we may have changed to become more at home in this planet, but we are still humans" - this sort of thing.

If anything, the old earth relic reminds me of Purity with its reverence of earth.

 

[AriochIV]

It would have made more sense if they'd just called it Monument, which is essentially what it is.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

My head canon for this is that they brought a bunch of relics with them, but they just kind of leave them in packing crates. When you build the building, it sort of enshrines the relic which allows it to have an effect on your people.

 

[Fabio1701]

I am imagining that perhaps one of the many seeding operations which took along something valuable form earth, like the skull of a pope or the pen of Benjamin Franklin or something, and the ship crashed and this was found in the wreckage, and you build a kind of temple around it to revere it.

On a separate note, the name gives me the idea that perhaps pre-atlantian humans made it to Planet? Perhaps relics taken by Progenitors who visited earth? There is potential in this game for hinting at space and aliens in ancient earth's history.

 

[Dargoth]

I am imagining that perhaps one of the many seeding operations which took along something valuable form earth, like the skull of a pope or the pen of Benjamin Franklin or something, and the ship crashed and this was found in the wreckage, and you build a kind of temple around it to revere it.

On a separate note, the name gives me the idea that perhaps pre-atlantian humans made it to Planet? Perhaps relics taken by Progenitors who visited earth? There is potential in this game for hinting at space and aliens in ancient earth's history.

In fact one of the quests you can do in BE reveals 1000 year old human skeletons on "Planet"

 

[GAGA Extrem]

The "old earth" just points out the origins from the home planet. Quite possible that the settlers will call their planet "new earth" at some point.

The relic itself is probably just an object (or a conglomerate of them) brought from earth, but of cultural significance for that faction. Could be stuff like original document from the Declaration of Indepence for the Reclaim Corp, pieces of art from the Louvre for Ibero-France, jungle plants from Brazil, a part of the Kremlin for the Slavic faction - that stuff.

And you don't "build" the relic itself, you just construct the building/area where it is located. It has to be shielded from the planet's atmosphere, solar radiation, maybe needs emulated earth conditions to stay intact for long. All that. And, ofc, you want to make it impressive for the visitors.

"Old Earth Museum" could also work, but "relic" has much more mysticism attached to it (and certainly fits better for the very first base). And keep in mind that the generations born on the planet will have no connection to old earth whatsoever, so it might not be a "real museum" for them.

There is actually a great example from SMAC that many of you will know:

In the great commons at Gaia's Landing we have a tall and particularly beautiful stand of white pine, planted at the time of the first colonies. It represents our promise to the people, and to Planet itself, never to repeat the tragedy of Earth.
- Lady Deirdre Skye, "Planet Dreams"

Perfect example for an "old earth relic": The trees are from earth and are of great significance for the Gaians. But the area where they are planted was obviously prepared by them after planetfall.

 

[Hakan-i Cihan]

I definitely understand the background idea of it, but a relic is an object not a building. Maybe be it would be better if it was called: "Old earth reliquary"

 

[Dargoth]

I wonder if the old Earth relic will have a bonus ability if you choose purity later in the game

 

[s0nny80y]

I bet we won't benefit from a free old earth relic affinity value like that one tradition policy.

 

[The Naug]

The ships were big, a relic can be very small. They could've brought tons of stuff with them like Voyager has an LP with recordings from earth on it. That's a real world example of an Old Earth Relic! Building the improvement in your city could reflect building the exhibit for the object(s).

 

[dapperbandit]

I had thought of this too. To me it makes more sense to build a memorial to old earth that houses a relic than build the relic itself. I wonder if Purity players get more culture out of them.

 

[Lancor]

Actually, I am sure it can be built in all cities. It is essentially the monument building in civ5, an early game source of culture. If it could only be built in your capital, you would have no way to increase your culture in the early game. Plus, in civ games, buildings are always available in all cities. I don't think there has ever been a building that only the capital can build.

Maybe I'm just too optimistic, but as the build times in the demo last week where so fast, maybe the initial settlement has some unique buildings after all. Maybe the later cities get other 'monument" type buildings.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Maybe I'm just too optimistic, but as the build times in the demo last week where so fast, maybe the initial settlement has some unique buildings after all. Maybe the later cities get other 'monument" type buildings.

The demo was on the second lowest difficulty. He probably had high bonuses to production, research and virtue rate. I don't think the initial capital bonus goes beyond the palace yields from Civ 5.