Office of the President, Term 4.

[Sir Donald III]

Only now got back from work. Sorry, guys.

Turnchat #2 will be Monday Afternoon CST, starting around 1:00 PM (1900 GMT), time may change.

There may be a second part, should FA feel the need to poll a peace deal we would make in Turn 1/2. The Second Part, if needed, would be played at 6:30 PM CST (0030 Thursday GMT)

 

[donsig]

Dear Sir,

In going over our country's current financial situation I've discovered some, how shall I put this, irregularities. Our Trade Minister left detailed instructions for trades that do not seem to have been carried out properly.

In particular the following trades were authorized by the poll referred to in the Trade Minister's instructions:

China: Silks for 14gpt, 90g
France: Gems for 36gpt, 12g
France: Magnetism for Navigation, Maps, 33gpt


Looking over the books it appears as though we sold the silks to China for 13 gpt. We're also getting 52 gpt from France for gems. I'm not sure what happened to the export of magnetism and navigation to France.

Now I know you're new at this president stuff but you should be following instructions that are posted and not just doing whatever you fancy at the moment. Can you shed some light on why you disregarded legally posted instructions?

donsig
Domestic Deputy(?)

 

[MOTH]

Dear Sir,

In going over our country's current financial situation I've discovered some, how shall I put this, irregularities. Our Trade Minister left detailed instructions for trades that do not seem to have been carried out properly.

In particular the following trades were authorized by the poll referred to in the Trade Minister's instructions:

China: Silks for 14gpt, 90g
France: Gems for 36gpt, 12g
France: Magnetism for Navigation, Maps, 33gpt


Looking over the books it appears as though we sold the silks to China for 13 gpt. We're also getting 52 gpt from France for gems. I'm not sure what happened to the export of magnetism and navigation to France.

Now I know you're new at this president stuff but you should be following instructions that are posted and not just doing whatever you fancy at the moment. Can you shed some light on why you disregarded legally posted instructions?

donsig
Domestic Deputy(?)

Hi Donsig,
The orders in question were not able to be carried out as the game would not accept the amounts. I beleive that this variation was within reason. I also believe that Trade should have posted some contingencies.

The relevant portion of the chat log is as follows:

[09:25] <SirDon3> Zojoji: Magellan's Voyage, Frigate, Galleon
[09:25] <SirDon3> Quick Diversion to Trade!
[09:26] <SirDon3> Please do the trades that are the result of this
[09:26] <SirDon3> China: Silks for 14gpt, 90g
[09:27] <SirDon3> The Trade as stated says "We're getting Close to a Deal."
[09:28] <SirDon3> 13 GPT is acceptable. (Mao originally offered 10.)
[09:29] <SirDon3> Trade Completed for 13 GPT and 90 Gold
[09:29] <SirDon3> France: Gems for 36gpt, 12g
[09:29] <SirDon3> France: Magnetism for Navigation, Maps, 33gpt
[09:29] <SirDon3> Should total 69 GPT, 12 Gold, Navi, WM
[09:30] <MOTH> hmm, when I put the China trade into ptw it accepts 14gpt and
90g...
[09:32] <SirDon3> Magnets + Gems = 37 GPT + Navi + 50 Gold
[09:32] <MOTH> I checking some of the french trades now
[09:32] <SirDon3> 69 GPT + Navi = "Doubt"
[09:34] <SirDon3> Version is 1.29f
[09:34] <MOTH> version = ptw
[09:34] <SirDon3> What's your version, MOTH?
[09:34] <SirDon3> AH!
[09:35] <SirDon3> I'm using Vanilla (as I should.)
[09:35] <MOTH> gms+mag = nav, wm, 50g, 50gpt
[09:35] <MOTH> I have Civ Gold, so I can't run vanilla
[09:35] <SirDon3> Ah...
[09:35] <SirDon3> That's a problem...
[09:36] <MOTH> my numbers are still not close to trade's
[09:37] <SirDon3> 52GPT + 50 Gold, WM, Navi = "Close"
[09:37] <MOTH> does 50gpt work
[09:37] <SirDon3> 52 GPT + 12 Gold + WM, Navi = Accceptable
[09:38] <MOTH> do it
[09:38] <SirDon3> Navi + 52 GPT + 35 Gold + WM is the highest she'll go.
[09:38] <MOTH> trade really should include contingencies...
[09:39] <SirDon3> Done.
[09:39] <SirDon3> Rome gets Education
[09:41] <SirDon3> "This kind rift will do much to heal the rift between our
people" says Agustus (I hold Julius to have dies at Raveena/Port Solmena)
but he's still "Furious
[09:41] <SirDon3> Anyway, back to Zarnia!
[09:41] <SirDon3> Zojoji: Magellan's Voyage, Frigate, Galleon

 

[Chieftess]

The amounts were different because the trade advisor apparently lives in an alternate reality called Play The World.

Seriously though, he used PTW to do the trades. (Bad idea - different trade routines).

 

[donsig]

Well, thank you Mr. and Mrs. President. I've been on vacation. For some stupid reason I thought Sir Donald III was President! Now that Chieftess has answered I know why legally posted instructions were ignored.

 

[Chieftess]

Well, thank you Mr. and Mrs. President. I've been on vacation. For some stupid reason I thought Sir Donald III was President! Now that Chieftess has answered I know why legally posted instructions were ignored.

and just what is that supposed to mean?

 

[donsig]

and just what is that supposed to mean?

It means what you think it means. You have a *habit* as DP of ignoring instructions you don't like. Especially build queues. You've been doing it and getting away with it since DG2. Since you're the demogame's version of the Teflon President I'd expect you to make whatever trades you wanted or build whatever you wanted in cities or conquer whatever cities you wanted.

I was silly to think that with a new President we'd go back to a real democracy game. Now that I know you're still president, Chieftess, I won't expect posted instructions to be followed.

 

[TimBentley]

Just because Chieftess tried to explain why the posted instructions were impossible to follow exactly as written you think instructions were ignored? I can't think of what instructions for the most recently completed turnchat were ignored. Maybe DZ's instructions, since the Iroquois are still alive?

 

[donsig]

The question I asked the President concerned specific trades. The Trade Minister followed the apparently legal, though admittedly irresponsible, route of posting instructions that pointed to a poll where specific trades we're voted on. The SPECIFIC trades were not followed and I would like to hear from the REAL President why that happened. Or has the *democracy* game progressed tot he point where citizens should no longer ask such questions of their elected leaders?

 

[Chieftess]

It means what you think it means. You have a *habit* as DP of ignoring instructions you don't like. Especially build queues. You've been doing it and getting away with it since DG2. Since you're the demogame's version of the Teflon President I'd expect you to make whatever trades you wanted or build whatever you wanted in cities or conquer whatever cities you wanted.

I was silly to think that with a new President we'd go back to a real democracy game. Now that I know you're still president, Chieftess, I won't expect posted instructions to be followed.

Uhh, if you take a look at the last elections, I didn't even run...

I was merely stating the technical differences between vanilla and PTW.

Not to mention it would be hard to play the save while I'm at work.

 

[Crimso]

You are not listening! The WOtP was ignored! He was asking the PRESIDENT! Grrr!

 

[mhcarver]

Edit: never mind this post it would only inflame the situation more, umm GO SDIII!!!!!!

 

[MOTH]

I think everyone needs to relax. There's no need for personal attacks. I was just trying to help out. CT was trying to help out. The answer to donsig's question is available for anyone who wants to read the chat log.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

The question I asked the President concerned specific trades. The Trade Minister followed the apparently legal, though admittedly irresponsible, route of posting instructions that pointed to a poll where specific trades we're voted on. The SPECIFIC trades were not followed and I would like to hear from the REAL President why that happened. Or has the *democracy* game progressed tot he point where citizens should no longer ask such questions of their elected leaders?

donsig,

Perhaps the lack of response stems from the fact that you didn't sign the Loyalty Oath before entering the Oval Office?

Just because the DG happens to mirror the current RL situation in the States, I wouldn't read too much into the lack of accountability of this administration. I am sure that our President would be more than happy to "reach out to those who share [his] goals."

Actual, lumping SD3 with Dubya is a cheap shot; I am just playing to the disenfranchised here. Although I am curious as to Sir Donald's silence regarding this accusation, and was also wondering when he was planning on naming a Vice President.

 

[Sir Donald III]

The reason why I was 'silent' was because the entire dicsussion occurred while I was at work! Some of us have real lives here, Ok? Jeez. Do you guys really expect the President to be full time here?

I guess I should've posted the fact that the trades deviated in the Summary, but I had a work shift then that started in 30 minutes, and so lacked for time. Lesson learned, I think...

On DZ's question, I have informed a certain candidate via PM this morning (CCed to the Chief Justice) and am awaiting his response.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

On DZ's question, I have informed a certain candidate via PM this morning (CCed to the Chief Justice) and am awaiting his response.

Funny, my PM box wasn't full. Could you send it again? I am available.

Yes, I tried to be President once while having a life. It's no picnic. Just do what you can, and make sure that trade discrepancies do not exceed 5g total.

 

[Sir Donald III]

Should've said something yesterday, DZ. Someone else beat you to it.

 

[donsig]

The reason why I was 'silent' was because the entire dicsussion occurred while I was at work! Some of us have real lives here, Ok? Jeez. Do you guys really expect the President to be full time here?

I guess I should've posted the fact that the trades deviated in the Summary, but I had a work shift then that started in 30 minutes, and so lacked for time. Lesson learned, I think...

On DZ's question, I have informed a certain candidate via PM this morning (CCed to the Chief Justice) and am awaiting his response.

No I don't expect you to be full time, Mr. President. I was perfectly happy to wait for your response. I only wanted those who forget they are not President to SHUT UP while we wait to hear from you.

That said, I would still like to hear your answer to my question. Yes, it would have been nice if you had posted in the summary that the trades deviated. You didn't and at least one of us noticed anyway. I din not ask if the trades deviated. That is apparent. WHY do they deviate? The people voted on specific trades which were not only NOT made, OTHER trades WERE made. Please explain to me WHY the trades that WERE made were LEGAL so I don't have to ask the Judiciary to look into this matter.

 

[MOTH]

Mr president,
I urge you to make official appointments (as provided in Constitution Article G.4) to the positions of Foreign Affairs Minister and Governor of Edo province.

If you need a experienced volunteer I would be willing to resign as Culture Minister and leave things in the capable hands of my deputy. He has appedicitis so he won't be back for a bit, but most things are in order now.

 

[Chieftess]

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