[RD] Oil of vitriol - a history of violence

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I was quite amazed to discover, a few days ago, while reading an author of the so-called "Conte cruel" (cruel story) type of literature (Maurice Level), that vitriol (acid) attacks were quite common in 19th century Europe.
Some may recall how acid attacks are back, eg in London they are now used by gangs and for petty theft. In the 19th century, though, vitriol was used to attack in cases of revenge, and primarily out of envy or punishment for sexual infidelity or refusal to one's advances.

Here is a drawing from a french edition of the era:

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(a husband using vitriol)

Vitriol became a weapon as a result of mass production; first in Britain (Scotland and other parts). It was possible by the early 19th century to mass produce it by burning sulfur with nitric calium (the reaction leads to sulfur trioxide, which reacts with the water in the vapors, producing the sulfuric acid, ie vitriol (H2SO4).
Sulfuric acid was, and still is, very important in industry, and also is available in a number of products sold freely; mostly cleaning solutions and pesticides.

Vitriol was also important for alchemists. In fact they even used its name to create a latin phrase: "Visita Interiora Terrae Rectificando Invenies Occultum Lapidem" (visit the interior of the Earth (and) purified you will find the philosophical stone).

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I find it very interesting - and also hugely scary - that vitriol is still used in attacks. In third world countries it is used much like it was in 19th century Europe: as means of revenge by a lover.
The effects are absolutely devastating. The victim is severely disfigured, even after a brief attack. The body is burned through, and can melt to the bone. In India, in an infamous case, vitriol was used to burn the eyes of "lowest caste" people.

Despite the absolute horror of use of vitriol in reality, in literature i think it is a very potent topic. I may try it. Very conte cruel...

-you can discuss how you view this kind of attack, in general, or other things tied to the op - eg use of this in art. I am only turning the thread to RD cause it isn't meant to include joking :)
 
Don't know what can be discussed here, except if attackers should be simply shot or disolved alive in sulfuric acid until nothing remains.

About sulfuric acid it is not only important, it is the most essential substance in the chemical sector to the point that industrialization level of a country is sometimes meassured by amount of sulfuric acid produced.
 
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Some may recall how acid attacks are back, eg in London they are now used by gangs and for petty theft.

Industrial strength lye is also used a lot in revenge attacks these days.
Google "lye attacks" and you might find more sadness than you want.
I won't post links because the images are nightmarish.
 
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Industrial strength lye is also used a lot in revenge attacks these days.
Google "lye attacks" and you might find more sadness than you want.
I won't post links because the images are nightmarish.
Alkali burns produced in such lye attacks are in fact worse than acid burns. Acid desecates tissues, leading to protein coagulation through a highly exothermic reaction that causes also burns by heat, but is quickly consumed and in small quantities wont go too deeply into skin. Alkali on the other hand liquify proteins and saponify fatty tissues, it will go much deeper than acid too. It turns your body into soap literally, to the bone. The difference is very visible, acid burnt people has huge scars, not very different of normal heat burns, alkali burnt people look like if they had melted.

(Btw, i am not some sick bastard with any personal interest in the topic, but had to study it in lab safety class at the university)
 
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Yours is a mere literary interest, I suppose... :shifty:
 
Sulfuric acid is a really useful chemical, but I'm not a fan of the way it eats holes in every piece of fabric or other cellulose-based material that it touches. No other acid I know of does this - it happens not because of the acidity, but because it has such a strong affinity for water that it will rip apart carbohydrates, extract water molecules, and spit out the carbon as black soot. Somehow little droplets of it also manage to get everywhere no matter how careful you think you're being. I've ended up with holes in so many clothes this way whilst playing around with H2SO4 at home.

I definitely agree that bases are better than acids at horribly disfiguring people. A saturated solution of sodium hydroxide (lye) is unbelievably corrosive to tissue in prolonged contact. But what's kind of cool is that, if you get it on your hand briefly but wash it off, it feels slippery on your skin. That's because it turns the oils on the hand into soap. The trick is to wash it off before it turns your skin into soap, too.
 
Yours is a mere literary interest, I suppose... :shifty:
From my own experience I can say that whatever horrors one manages to write about, there's a hundred others we didn't manage to fit into the finished text.
 
Don't try this at home! :o

Oh I have, several times. Not on purpose, mind you. ;)

Many lye-users including myself often don't bother with gloves, and I never got burned even slightly by it. The thing is that human skin can resist even highly corrosive chemicals for a good 10 seconds at least. In addition to paying close attention to what I was doing, I always had a sink next to me and washed my hands with OCD-like frequency.

Goggles, on the other hand, are mandatory. Getting an NaOH crystal in your eye is a good way to become a Cyclops.
 
Somehow little droplets of it also manage to get everywhere no matter how careful you think you're being. I've ended up with holes in so many clothes this way whilst playing around with H2SO4 at home.

That's interesting. Does it have a really low viscosity?
 
No, actually, it's considerably more viscous than water. That's what makes it so weird to me. I'm not sure if it's just that aerosol droplets of everything we mess with get everywhere and we don't notice them unless they cause a dramatic effect, or what the deal is. Even then, that would imply that sulfuric acid can hydrolyze a whole lot of carbohydrate per unit mass of H2SO4 - too much, given that H2SO4 loses its dehydrating ability when diluted tenfold. :dunno:
 
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