One thing that bugs me about China...

I vote we make the capital of China Taipei.

'Cause, y'know, controversy is fun!

Seriously though, something like this never bothers me. Civ is always a little more "gamey" then realistic, and Beijing is the recognized capital of China these days. Get something like Europa Universalis 3 or Crusader Kings if you want a more historically accurate strategy game.
 
Or we can mod it.

You can certainly do that, but that radically changes the core of the game. It's a simple fact that Civ as a series covers thousands of years of history and tends to focus more on high level concepts rather then details.

Not complaining, mind you, I love Civ and Paradox games pretty equally and for different reasons. I once spent 80 hours doing a grand campaign in EU3. One game.

Meanwhile I can do a start to finish Civ game in a single evening.
 
I vote we change the American capital to Stonesville. Just 'coz.
 
Tis, and you're free to enjoy it however you want. I think the history channel is what You're looking for. What with the alien stuff and Larry the cable guy.

Maybe I'm not drunk enough, but: WTH? :confused:
 
He's referencing what the History Channel has become.

*Sheds a single tear.*

Back in the day it was that zany WWII channel. Now I hear they even have wrestling matches live!
 
He's referencing what the History Channel has become.

*Sheds a single tear.*

Ahh, now it makes sense. Before it was just a bizzare retort to my short tempered snap!

I haven't watched the History Channel in years, but that's only because I'm 6,000 years old and have governed every civilisation since the dawn of time, so I think I'm rather exempt. :)

Thanks.
 
That's like using Hitler as an excuse to make Germany a bunch of warmongerers.

That's a completely different comparison, as the Germans were warmongerers.
Let's not forget that modern Germany was built on the ruins of the Prussian kingdom, a kingdom so obsessed with warfare that the Austrians described their military as a machine. The German state itself was formed in 1871, after the Prussians (and the Northern German Union) waged war with the Austrians and the Danish, and then convinced the Southern German states to invade France, allowing Bismarck to use this common enemy as an excuse to unite all Germans into one Reich. Let's not forget the two world wars (which, while gruesome, were somewhat understandable: Germany had only just sprung into existance and extreme nationalism was needed to instill a sense of "Germanness" into the population, something an ancient country like France did not need) after that, which caused Germany to split up into two seperate nations.

As a matter of fact, Germany has always known war and has only been "stable" since the 90s, and even to this very day they own the largest and, debatably, the most powerful army in Europe (though some say that honour goes to France) and is the third largest weapon producing nation in the world (right after America and Russia). Making Germans warmongers in Civ V is more than sensible from a historical perspective, and not only because a little man with a moustache was in power during the 30's and early 40's.

China's UA might cast them as a warmonger, but for gameplay it's sensible. They had the book on war.

Yes, but Sun Tzu was only one man (assuming he actually existed and isn't merely a legend, as some historians debate), not enough to influence the entire culture of one of the oldest nations in the world. Greece and France are led by the two greatest generals in human history, yet their special abilities focus on diplomacy and culture respectively, rather than warfare. Culture for France because France has always been the heart of European culture, and all European courts wanted to immitate the French royal family (even as far as the court of the Russian Tsar), and diplomacy for Greece because..... I'll be completely honest: I have no idea.

And then you have to consider that China isn't even led by Sun Tzu (or another warmonger like Kublai Khan who was, despite being Mongolian, a very influental Chinese emperor), but Wu Zetian who was most likely famous for other things than merely warfare (I'm not too adept at non-European history so somebody will have to fill me in on this).
 
Agreed that there's more to China, but still, The Art of War has taken on the reputation as being the book on war. The devs just focused on that. "We need to make some civs with a military advantage." "Well I guess the country that wrote The Art of War is first up for that". Besides, while some would say it's a sub-optimal strategy, the GGs can be used to defend and\or create Golden Ages. Sure , you won't get as many GGs, but between fighting barbs and defending, you'll get more and you'll get them quicker.

In fact, the devs probably considered the Golden Ages part; China's pretty well-known for those too, sort of.
 
The devs just focused on that. "We need to make some civs with a military advantage."

That, IMHO, is a large part of the problem with this otherwise great game: there's already too much civilisations with a military focus, the ones with a diplomatic or cultural advantage are far and between and to actually get a civ with a scientific advantage you need to shell out money, this considering that two of the "core" civilizations (China and Greece) were quite famous for their scientific (or rather philosophical, since "science" didn't quite exist back then) progress.
 
when you put it that way I have to agree, China probably should have had a science UA. At least they have the Paper Maker, though that only indirectly rewards science by encouraging production of it for gold.

Art of War was just too tempting i guess.
 
That's a completely different comparison, as the Germans were warmongerers.
Let's not forget that modern Germany was built on the ruins of the Prussian kingdom, a kingdom so obsessed with warfare that the Austrians described their military as a machine. The German state itself was formed in 1871, after the Prussians (and the Northern German Union) waged war with the Austrians and the Danish, and then convinced the Southern German states to invade France, allowing Bismarck to use this common enemy as an excuse to unite all Germans into one Reich. Let's not forget the two world wars (which, while gruesome, were somewhat understandable: Germany had only just sprung into existance and extreme nationalism was needed to instill a sense of "Germanness" into the population, something an ancient country like France did not need) after that, which caused Germany to split up into two seperate nations.

:lol:
Well played.
I never denied that, my point was that one guy or one group can't be used to define a nation.
 
*snip* And with the "Simple Minded" Americans, which I am supposively one, we actually do world history in Massachusetts up to 9th grade, then at 10th we do our own history.

but do they teach spelling?

I am sorry. I really tried to resist, but little errors like this is what will eventually mangle the language.

Really, just be a bit more cautious with your spellings, ya?

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On topic, China has had too many capitals over the eras that picking any over the other will likely produce controversy. But if you are talking about the time of Wu Zetian, she actually had two capitals. When she was ruling as the empress and dowager, she ruled from the capital in Chang'an, but when she took over the throne, she moved the capital to Luoyang. Some speculated that the loyalists in Chang'an was making her difficult to exercise her political will.

As for her achievements, she is best known for revitalizing the agricultural economy and formalize the chinese civil examination system, which was later adopted (with modification, of course) into the civil service system of british india, and then later the UK itself. and from there, the rest of western world.

So... I don't know how you would characterize that achievement in gameplay terms. Maybe start the game with meritocracy? :crazyeye:
 
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