Online petition for an updated Civ III editor

Everybody who reads this thread PM a moderator, and maybe our wish shall be granted.:please:

That seems like a bad idea to me...starting at the bottom, and bothering CFC Moderators? They want the code as much as we do (As it will keep the site alive forever IMO)...lets not get off on a bad foot by irritating everyone from our own site, and up...

No "pestering"...leave this one to the people who "know"...Let Steph and I_Batman do all the talking, since they have established dialog...please...all I want out of this is a better game

I do agree that we need a forum unconnected to the main CFC forum, to discuss investment etc...
 
Ok guys, do not get to excited, you are all risking a heart attack there.

I'd like to clarify a few points.

1) We have established some contact. But it is still not a strong one. We don't know for sure they are really willing to discuss, or if it's not just a general comment "sure, if you want to give us plenty of money, we can discuss, but give the money first".

2) There are several possible business models that we could put in place to reach our goal, i.e. an expanded CivIII. I've send some probes toward 2k to know if they are opened to discussion to analyse the different models and negociate to find the best solution to everyone. We'll see how opened they are.

3) There is no need to require them to "release the source code immediately or we'll tell the world how nasty they are". However, you can support our effort by posting on their forum. I don't think you need to enter into details.
I think a simple "I like CivIII, but I think a few things are missing, so I would gladly pay for a new expansion (several expansions?" would be sufficient.
The goal is to show them that their is a real demand, with business behind, and so a possible source of profit for it. As I company, their goal is to make profit: they are more likely to discuss if they see CivIII is not dead.

4) I think we need to limit the direct contact with them, or to avoid multipling ideas going in every direction. Until we know more about what they are ready to do, we don't need to confuse them. So keep the support simple.

5) About the create company issue, two points:

a) If they think we will create a company, raise money, talk to their lawyers first, it will be without me.
I will not support going into such a venture without having some information beforehand. Like what type of business model are they ready to discuss... If we really need to buy the source what would be a rough estimate of the price... What is the state of the code? Is it well documented? etc.
When we have an understanding of what could be done, then I think we can look at the contractual part of it.

b) Just to make it clear: If I can get serious funding, I'd rather use it to develop SSS than to buy an existing game and expand it. That's why I'm trying to explore alternative business models with 2k. And depending on the answers, I'll decide later on the level of implication I'm ready to have. However, should I decide not to go further to pursue other course of actions, and someone wants to take over, I'll help during the transition phase.
 
I will say ahead of time, that Steph has my faith in this. He is the most likely person (IMO) to work an arrangement to get access to the code. I recommend we allow him to do the negotiations when the time comes (With a lawyer of course, which I think Steph has).
FYI for your mark of confidence. However, I'd like to point that I don't have a lawyer.
 
Just to put things under some perspective.


As part of its earnings report last fall, Atari parent Infogrames revealed it had sold the rights to Civilization to an unnamed buyer. "After the close of the first half on September 30, 2004, [Infogrames] sold the rights to its Civilization franchise for $22.3 million, generating a onetime gain of 15.5 million euros," read the report.
 
@Spacer One

I didn't mean to pester them, I just meant that if one person tells them something, they're far less likely to listen than if a whole group tells them.

@Steph

It's good to see we have somebody with sense on our side. Even I was beginning to get carried away.

I think that objective #1 should be a revamped Civ3, and if 2K doesn't like that, then objective #2 is Civ5. After all the lawyer consultation and corporate issues, of course.
 
@Steph
It's good to see we have somebody with sense on our side. Even I was beginning to get carried away.
That's because I'm an old wise man :old: . Now, try to grab the stone in my hand little grasshoper.

I think that objective #1 should be a revamped Civ3, and if 2K doesn't like that, then objective #2 is Civ5. After all the lawyer consultation and corporate issues, of course.
Well, from my point of view, objective #1 is a revamped Civ3, and objective #2 is that http://strategames-studio.com/default.aspx
 
What exactly is this SSS thing? Is it some program that makes for more realistic battles and stuff like that? And why is it in french?

link added to answer question
...Oh, and "Because Steph is French"
 
Grab the stone in your hand?:confused:
Reference to the Kung Fu serie with David Carradine, when he recall his childhood at the shaolin temple, was nicknamed little grasshoper by his kung fu master. The master hold a stone on the hand, and he had to grab it before the moster could close his hand.

What exactly is this SSS thing? Is it some program that makes for more realistic battles and stuff like that? And why is it in french?
That's a new strategy game, highy modable.
And I don't see where you have seen it's in French. The only thing in French is the weather forecast in the welcome screen, because it's connected to a French server.
 
DOMINATRIX said:
"Tapez ici pour chercher sur le Web."

"Click here to search the Web."

Glad to see there's progress. Should be a little cheaper than $22 million (that is, after all, Civ1+2+3 + all future "Civilization" games), but money could be a problem. I could be a minor contributor, but it'll be a few years before I could help other than that.
 
I want to be very careful how I put this. I don't to douse OR raise any hopes. I am truly encouraged by the support we have seen from all of you the last week, and the fact that no one from 2K has not shot us down yet..

Now, Steph and I have been talking extensively, and we have laid out the next step. Where this will take us, we are not sure. It will also take some time, and would be very imprudent to discuss the next step further.

The only reason I am posting is to let all of you know that this thing is not dying. It may yet, but for the moment the ember is still flickering. So just because you may see little activity in this thread over the next few weeks does not been the attempt has been abandoned.

It simply means that the wheels in something like this will move slowly and deliberately. Once we have some solid news, good or bad, we will let you know.
 
I agree as well. I have just stepped back and figured I_Batman and Steph know how to handle this. Or at least know better than I do. Simply crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. I need to hop on that other forum though and voice my opinion for support. Will probably get on that tonight. I am surprised I haven't done it yet. :sad:
 
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