P666-04 : Yet Another Trash Game

[futurehermit]

They're Seowons, not Universities!



Mechanised Infantry are gunpowder units - is this what you mean? Otherwise, I'm buoyed by your confidence!

We can win this game with grens, cannons, and drafted rifles.

Kublai is crippled, Asoka is backwards, and Mao and Genghis don't pose any legitimate threat.

 

[futurehermit]

They're Seowons, not Universities!



Mechanised Infantry are gunpowder units - is this what you mean? Otherwise, I'm buoyed by your confidence!

We can win this game with grens, drafted rifles, and cannons. Kublai is crippled, Asoka is backwards, and Mao and Genghis don't pose any legitimate threat.

I haven't looked at any of the other games yet, but as long as their power graph looks like mine this game can be won during the renaissance era fairly easily imho.

 

[cabert]

We can win this game with grens, drafted rifles, and cannons. Kublai is crippled, Asoka is backwards, and Mao and Genghis don't pose any legitimate threat.

I haven't looked at any of the other games yet, but as long as their power graph looks like mine this game can be won during the renaissance era fairly easily imho.

agreed 100%

 

[Cam_H]

Well we'll just see, won't we! It sort of depends on which game we'll be taking (Kublai's anything but crippled in some).

... but I'm not suggesting that it's not do-able ... just perhaps my conservative need for Infantry perhaps?

 

[cabert]

Well we'll just see, won't we! It sort of depends on which game we'll be taking (Kublai's anything but crippled in some).

... but I'm not suggesting that it's not do-able ... just perhaps my conservative need for Infantry perhaps?

don't be such a chicken , we just need to choose the best game and to crush those prince AIs

 

[Cam_H]

I have no idea who you could be referring to!

 

[futurehermit]

ROFL!!!

We definitely do not need to wait until infantry!!!

 

[vra379971]

Or do we...in my save and report, I've only taken out Qin..but I'd argue we're better off...

 

[futurehermit]

Or do we...in my save and report, I've only taken out Qin..but I'd argue we're better off...

Now I'm looking forward to seeing your save...

 

[vra379971]

Yup....will post in about an hour as a bit busy.

 

[vra379971]

Life sucks. Anyway. I'll put up the save now and just say that speed isn't everything we'd probably come out same or better we we went in with Rifles/Cannons/Railroads. as The AI's would bne unprepared to face that onslaught.

With my save, in less than 20 turns you could have all three.

I'll expand later.

 

[futurehermit]

^^^i will check out your save tonight. i'm interested to see the comparison!

 

[vra379971]

Cool =) I'm going to look over it in a second and post a better report.

 

[cabert]

OK, nice round guys.
Only 2 saves are weak IMHO (including mine ), making it easy to have the trash saved ...

Spoiler :

Most players (except Pigswill, that's why I consider this save as weak too) finished Qin. ,

This is what I consider the minimal "saving trash move".
After that, there are 2 schools (with variations) on those:
1 - all out attack
2 - better preparation

Among the 1st group are people who already have taken out Asoka on top of Qin.
This includes Ojevind (although he didn't choose to accept the capitulation, which is a bad move IMHO) and Cabledwg.
There are also people like futurehermit or me who decided to go after KK, because hitting the top dogs is more important than killing lower forms of civilizations .
I must say I had trouble choosing between the 2 biggest power ratings.
The final choice was made on this basis : I value the capitulation of a second AI more than being on the way of a possible killing of KK. Why? because you can be unlucky (like I was), and a small achieved victory is better than a big one yet to come.

 

[futurehermit]

^^^boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Spoiler :

we have the option to raze Kublai's capital in three turns and you'd rather have us accept capitulation of a civ who was formerly a vassal???!!!

 

[cabert]

^^^boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Spoiler :

we have the option to raze Kublai's capital in three turns and you'd rather have us accept capitulation of a civ who was formerly a vassal???!!!

to be true, cabledwg also has a lot of tech on you, and I just couldn't help noticing
+ he has also a high power and the option to have some more really fast (19 cities, slavery and 213 pop points = 19 canons in a 4/5 turns).

 

[vra379971]

Have a look at my save

Who needs cannons if we have infantry

 

[cabert]

Have a look at my save

Who needs cannons if we have infantry

I did, but you're miles away from infantry (and I like canons better than infantry )

 

[Cabledawg]

I wanted to share how I base my votes and what info I use. Some of it is arbitrary. Since all of this info can be found in the games, I didnt feel the need for a spoiler. These are in the order submitted. Green is best in Category, red is worst.

Cabledawg
In Game Score.......2978
Science @ 100%....784
Gold loss @ 100%..-292
Cities....................19
Gold......................174
Prod......................292
Soldiers.................798K
Population.............18.1 Million

3 Cities in Revolt
2 Vassals and not at war
1GG + 2GS
Techs...Mil Trad, Constitution, Democracy, 3 turns from Steel

Ojevind
In Game Score.......2150
Science @ 100%....545
Gold Loss @ 100%.-223
Cities....................12
Gold.....................166
Prod.....................249
Soldiers................650K
Population............7.9 Million

No Vassals and at war with Asoka
Techs...Mil Trad, No Steel + 1 turn from Replaceable Parts

Cabert
In Game Score.......2407
Science @ 100%....440
Gold loss @ 100%..-229
Cities....................14
Gold......................7.....61 Unhappy faces in Empire
Prod......................90
Soldiers.................536K
Population.............8.3 Million

1 City in Revolt
1 Vasssal and war with Asoka and Kublai
Techs...Mil Trad, Steel, No Printing Press + 5 turns from Constitution

Cam H
In Game Score.......2201
Science @ 100%....565
Gold loss @ 100%..-245
Cities....................14
Gold......................53
Prod......................197
Soldiers.................726K
Population.............8 Million

1 City in Revolt
No Vassal + war with Ghenghis
Techs...Steel, Replaceable Parts, No Nationalism + No Mil Trad...4 turns from Rifling

Pigswill
In Game Score.......1949
Science @ 100%....318
Gold loss @ 100%..-198
Cities....................13
Gold......................-5....36 Unhappy faces in Empire
Prod......................124
Soldiers.................533K
Population.............4.5 Million

1 Great Engineer
1 City in Revolt
No Vassal + war with Kublai and Qin
Techs...Steel, No Nationalism, No Mil Trad + 4 turns from Printing Press

Futurehermit
In Game Score.......2188
Science @ 100%....870
Gold loss @ 100%..-179
Cities....................12
Gold......................310
Prod......................109
Soldiers.................936K
Population.............6.8 Million

1 Vassal
War with Kublai
Techs...Steel, No Nationalism, No Mil Trad + 2 turns from Sci Method

VRA
In Game Score.......2409
Science @ 100%....864
Gold loss @ 100%..-266
Cities....................16
Gold......................227
Prod......................202
Soldiers.................521K
Population.............11.2 Million

No Vassal and not at war
1GG
Techs...Mil Trad, Steel, Replaceable parts + 3 turns from Steam

 

[cabert]

^^One info is missing there : rivals left
And you put the max number of cities in green. This is somehow forgetting that we're pursuing conquest, and don't want to hit domination.