Passive-Agressive Only defence Domination
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shyuhe
Deity
I agree on cottage spamming Novogrod. If we start a war with Alex though, it's going to tie down a lot of our resources - he spams units almost as badly as Monty. Our economy's not going to be able to support many units at the current rate either. Can we get OB with Alex to see how much stuff we can pillage if we do war?
As this is slow game speed I think we should do 15 turn rotations, you can hardly do anything in 10.
Do we really need to pillage Alex? With 2 cities we can seal his borders and flipping his western city would be pretty much guaranteed allowing us to focus more on economy.
Do we really need to pillage Alex? With 2 cities we can seal his borders and flipping his western city would be pretty much guaranteed allowing us to focus more on economy.
slowcar
King
i think blocking him would be a better idea.
btw got it and probably play tomorrow after karazahn
btw got it and probably play tomorrow after karazahn
slowcar
King
my daily evening program - except when i do sports, join the local orchestra or go out with friends. World of Warcraft. But don't worry, i am at least similar addicted to cIV
slowcar
King
i have to admit that i have absolutely ruined our economy, but at least i did this following a plan.
declaring on alex is not the best idea because he has a higher power and our troops are scattered. he moves in axe-phalanx combo which is hard to beat without shock promoted axes.
I set research to monarchy because we have wines and heridatery rule (sp?) will help us a lot with our happiness issues. Looking back alphabet might have been the better choice but i think with bigger cities our research will grow much faster.
I explore roosevelt - and not a bit too early as he has a settler sitting in his second city. I fortify the axe north of the city, you should check every now and then but i don't think the AI will move a settler out with an enemy nearby.
I move the troops out of our capital for a potential harassing of alex. And move them back when two warriors and an axe of the barbarian tribes in the north show up north of moscow.
While scouting south our warrior discoveres a greek settler. I do the math and whip a settler myself next round. Overflow goes into a library. It is a close call but i guessed that the AI would want to settle the blue circle.
As i said our economy is in ruins now, i compensate by chopping the courthouse in novgorod and assigning a scientist in moscow. The courthouses will help a lot and growing our cities will do its own. We have some nice calender resources in our emergency town
Two american bowmen get killed by an ambush i set up with our second axe. Good to have some troops around.
The greek settler and his escort move back into their own culture - and they seem to be quite angry because some of their troops desert and make a raid at our newfound city!
I move a worker nearby and the barbs take it and get crushed by our axe. Good thing i decided to build the road while the settler was still on its way. Must have been a single field where the barbarian was able to spawn...
I start pyramids in moscow as we have stone and not much to build there anyway unless we really want to go at war with alex.
an overview of our empire (pic taken after my last turn):
except our economy (that will hopefully resurrect soon) the game looks fine.
southwest of st. petersburg there is a nice city site that would block montezuma if he decides to build a galley, we haveto wait for the courthouses to finish though.
Ro(o)ster:
Mutineer
Slowcar
acidsatyr - Avol
Tatran - up
shyuhe - Warmin up
unberfish
declaring on alex is not the best idea because he has a higher power and our troops are scattered. he moves in axe-phalanx combo which is hard to beat without shock promoted axes.
I set research to monarchy because we have wines and heridatery rule (sp?) will help us a lot with our happiness issues. Looking back alphabet might have been the better choice but i think with bigger cities our research will grow much faster.
I explore roosevelt - and not a bit too early as he has a settler sitting in his second city. I fortify the axe north of the city, you should check every now and then but i don't think the AI will move a settler out with an enemy nearby.
I move the troops out of our capital for a potential harassing of alex. And move them back when two warriors and an axe of the barbarian tribes in the north show up north of moscow.
While scouting south our warrior discoveres a greek settler. I do the math and whip a settler myself next round. Overflow goes into a library. It is a close call but i guessed that the AI would want to settle the blue circle.
As i said our economy is in ruins now, i compensate by chopping the courthouse in novgorod and assigning a scientist in moscow. The courthouses will help a lot and growing our cities will do its own. We have some nice calender resources in our emergency town
Two american bowmen get killed by an ambush i set up with our second axe. Good to have some troops around.
The greek settler and his escort move back into their own culture - and they seem to be quite angry because some of their troops desert and make a raid at our newfound city!
I move a worker nearby and the barbs take it and get crushed by our axe. Good thing i decided to build the road while the settler was still on its way. Must have been a single field where the barbarian was able to spawn...
I start pyramids in moscow as we have stone and not much to build there anyway unless we really want to go at war with alex.
an overview of our empire (pic taken after my last turn):
except our economy (that will hopefully resurrect soon) the game looks fine.
southwest of st. petersburg there is a nice city site that would block montezuma if he decides to build a galley, we haveto wait for the courthouses to finish though.
Ro(o)ster:
Mutineer
Slowcar
acidsatyr - Avol
Tatran - up
shyuhe - Warmin up
unberfish
shyuhe
Deity
I glanced at the save. I thought Alex had too much on his hands? It's gone away now... Maybe he was desperate to settle cities. Now Vicky has too much on her hands.
The economy doesn't look too terrible (I don't see STRIKE yet
) - we still don't know where Saladin is though, and Alex looks like he's going to grab a lot of land if we can't settle another city to cut off his northern city.
The economy doesn't look too terrible (I don't see STRIKE yet
) - we still don't know where Saladin is though, and Alex looks like he's going to grab a lot of land if we can't settle another city to cut off his northern city.
slowcar
King
by the way, if we get a vassal we can "conquer" enemy cities
Sure it would be best to settle two more cities, one to block alex and one for monte/roosevelt but we already are in trouble economywise.
Sure it would be best to settle two more cities, one to block alex and one for monte/roosevelt but we already are in trouble economywise.
370 BC (2)
Rush axe in Rostov.
IBT 325 BC
Roosevelt sends out his settler + 2 archers.
310 BC (6)
Rush axe in St. Petersburg.
280 BC (8)
Arminius has been born in St. Petersburg.
Yekaterinburg founded.
265 BC (9)
Rush settler in Novgorod.
235 BC (11)
Lose an axe at 68% trying to kill the American settler/archer combo. Second axe succeeds.
This explains a lot.
205 BC (13)
Yakutsk founded.
Victoria still has enough on her hands for now.
Rush axe in Rostov.
IBT 325 BC
Roosevelt sends out his settler + 2 archers.
310 BC (6)
Rush axe in St. Petersburg.
280 BC (8)
Arminius has been born in St. Petersburg.
Yekaterinburg founded.
265 BC (9)
Rush settler in Novgorod.
235 BC (11)
Lose an axe at 68% trying to kill the American settler/archer combo. Second axe succeeds.
This explains a lot.
205 BC (13)
Yakutsk founded.
Victoria still has enough on her hands for now.
slowcar
King
Wow, two more cities!
Will we ever learn the secret of alphabet?
Will we ever learn the secret of alphabet?
shyuhe
Deity
I think we're at 0% now. 
Got it, will play later today. I'll see if I can work some magical economic recovery. If not... then cottage spam!
Got it, will play later today. I'll see if I can work some magical economic recovery. If not... then cottage spam!
slowcar
King
Monarchy will allow us to grow our capital at least 3 sizes, that alone should give a good economy boost.
Hanging gardens would be golden, thinking on wonders. Alphabet would be the better tech though methinks.
Hanging gardens would be golden, thinking on wonders. Alphabet would be the better tech though methinks.
shyuhe
Deity
Played my set. This was the biggest decision during the set:
I declined after much agonizing. I built the Confucian shrine (I think it yielded more than the Buddhist one) but I didn't adopt a state religion yet to help push borders. Monarchy is in, alphabet is ... another 20 turns or so away. I just spammed a few more cottages here and there, not much military build going on either - mostly courthouses. We're spread very thin right now. Only Vicky has too much on her hands so I've kept the forces around Roosevelt and Vicky. If Alex gets busy, then we might have problems...
I think Saladin is to the east of Alex, so we may have some luck sending Alex after Saly if we can get some religious issues brewing (post-alphabet, of course). Roosevelt still hasn't suicided his archers against the axes sitting outside his city, which is a little surprising. I pillaged an ivory camp and a farm (I have no idea how he managed to even build them).
The pyramids are on the back burner right now. I ran two scientists in Moscow to keep research going instead of pushing the pyramids. The only industrial civ has his hands full But Alex has stone now and he's built the GW so he may try the pyramids soon.
I declined after much agonizing. I built the Confucian shrine (I think it yielded more than the Buddhist one) but I didn't adopt a state religion yet to help push borders. Monarchy is in, alphabet is ... another 20 turns or so away. I just spammed a few more cottages here and there, not much military build going on either - mostly courthouses. We're spread very thin right now. Only Vicky has too much on her hands so I've kept the forces around Roosevelt and Vicky. If Alex gets busy, then we might have problems...
I think Saladin is to the east of Alex, so we may have some luck sending Alex after Saly if we can get some religious issues brewing (post-alphabet, of course). Roosevelt still hasn't suicided his archers against the axes sitting outside his city, which is a little surprising. I pillaged an ivory camp and a farm (I have no idea how he managed to even build them).
The pyramids are on the back burner right now. I ran two scientists in Moscow to keep research going instead of pushing the pyramids. The only industrial civ has his hands full
But Alex has stone now and he's built the GW so he may try the pyramids soon.Ok, I ended up playing 20 turns because I just couldn't leave the alphabet and pyramids in suspense any longer. Sorry. I figured we'd be in a better position to discuss what to go for with this knowledge.
Most of the turn was very boring anyway so I don't feel bad about playing the extra 5 turns. I couldn't afford to build any cities. I whipped or chopped the courthouses we had under construction and switched to granaries. Ordered up a confucian monastery in St Pete for culture wars and income.
Monty demanded corn in tribute, I gave to him and just cancelled it later and traded it for Vicky's fur.
Roosevelt is still camping in his cities, now with 14 archers, 3 workers and a settler. He hasn't tried to attack our axes. Monty has slipped a small city up here via galley.
Got alphabet in 335 AD. It is a monopoly, so I traded Monarchy for IW, Maths, Fishing and 180 gold. Why fishing? I thought I'd be able to get sailing from trading monarchy on the subsequent turn and then be able to trade CoL for calendar (I can see Alex and Monty have calendar) but unfortunately everyone else had monarchy too next turn. Switched research temporarily to 0% and fire specialists for growth.
We get pyramids in 350 AD really late... I revolt to Representation and stop here. 1 beaker is invested in Drama, the team can decide to research something else.
We own 28.24% landmass, I think it is probably time to start thinking in terms of flipping AI cties which is why I had research set to drama. Right now the Greeks have some nice spots on their border where we could threaten two cities at once.
Most of the turn was very boring anyway so I don't feel bad about playing the extra 5 turns. I couldn't afford to build any cities. I whipped or chopped the courthouses we had under construction and switched to granaries. Ordered up a confucian monastery in St Pete for culture wars and income.
Monty demanded corn in tribute, I gave to him and just cancelled it later and traded it for Vicky's fur.
Roosevelt is still camping in his cities, now with 14 archers, 3 workers and a settler. He hasn't tried to attack our axes. Monty has slipped a small city up here via galley.
Got alphabet in 335 AD. It is a monopoly, so I traded Monarchy for IW, Maths, Fishing and 180 gold. Why fishing? I thought I'd be able to get sailing from trading monarchy on the subsequent turn and then be able to trade CoL for calendar (I can see Alex and Monty have calendar) but unfortunately everyone else had monarchy too next turn. Switched research temporarily to 0% and fire specialists for growth.
We get pyramids in 350 AD really late... I revolt to Representation and stop here. 1 beaker is invested in Drama, the team can decide to research something else.
We own 28.24% landmass, I think it is probably time to start thinking in terms of flipping AI cties which is why I had research set to drama. Right now the Greeks have some nice spots on their border where we could threaten two cities at once.
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