Passive-Agressive Only defence Domination
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Just a lurker here I haven't looked at the save, but have you given Roosevelt open borders?
Rules about flipping I believe are the same as useal. If you capture city from vassal you can not loose it to him from flip. But I did loose city from culture frlip to my other vassal one's. So, I think we can flip our vassal cities.
The only thin we need to watch is population and land of our vassals, they should be less then 50% of ours. If one hower mouse on vassal, it sayes how mach land/population they currently have compare to as.
The only thin we need to watch is population and land of our vassals, they should be less then 50% of ours. If one hower mouse on vassal, it sayes how mach land/population they currently have compare to as.
Pre-turn
Give Roosevelt and Victoria Paper + Engineering.
1478 AD (3)
Alexander is the worst enemy of Wang Kon and Saladin.
1490 AD (5)
Rush library in Smolensk.
IBT 1502 AD
Robert E. Lee has been born in Moscow.
IBT 1508 AD
The Americans capture Pharsalos.
1523 AD (11)
Give Victoria Guilds.
1526 AD (12)
Nationalism is in, start to research Gunpowder.
1535 AD (15)
Bad news, Alex has grenadiers.
Overall this was a bad round. Lost too many units at 70% odds.
Give Roosevelt and Victoria Paper + Engineering.
1478 AD (3)
Alexander is the worst enemy of Wang Kon and Saladin.
1490 AD (5)
Rush library in Smolensk.
IBT 1502 AD
Robert E. Lee has been born in Moscow.
IBT 1508 AD
The Americans capture Pharsalos.
1523 AD (11)
Give Victoria Guilds.
1526 AD (12)
Nationalism is in, start to research Gunpowder.
1535 AD (15)
Bad news, Alex has grenadiers.
Overall this was a bad round. Lost too many units at 70% odds.
shyuhe
Deity
I took a look at the save. Alex will pay 930 gold for peace (how on earth did he accumulate so much cash???). It's tempting to take, since his cities are going to be hard to take if the highest strength unit we can field is a knight. Then again, trebs in large numbers will take down cities too. Do we want to push on for at least one or two more cities since Roosevelt has finally gotten his troops to the front? (and Vicky too!) I'll wait for some responses before I play.
I look on save and I think we can not make any progress with current units.
I am in favor of peace for money. We actially can trade banking and gunpowder I think. May be we should.
I think we should settle city there as soon as posible:
We should consider war with Wang. He is weekest independed and we would be able to vassal him with out mach problem, why researching to mil tradition probably a good idea.
Well, that what I think. With Gunpowder we can draft some Muskets to improve defence and easier take on Wang.
I am in favor of peace for money. We actially can trade banking and gunpowder I think. May be we should.
I think we should settle city there as soon as posible:
We should consider war with Wang. He is weekest independed and we would be able to vassal him with out mach problem, why researching to mil tradition probably a good idea.
Well, that what I think. With Gunpowder we can draft some Muskets to improve defence and easier take on Wang.
slowcar
King
While i agree that we can't press Alex further with our current troops i think we'll have him in our backyard soon again. He'll get rifles anytime soon so i agree that we should go after Wang. Problem with Wang is that his cities are so close to american so that our vassal will keep them instead of razing. At least until Wang capitulates.
Our border cities to Alex as well as Montezuma should have a good garrison as i see both of them going after us with some probability.
When we get cossacks we should build a lot of them, i am normally not a fan of recruiting to many cavs but as we don't have many CR3 Maces anyhow grenadiers won't be needed until Wang gets rifles.
Our border cities to Alex as well as Montezuma should have a good garrison as i see both of them going after us with some probability.
When we get cossacks we should build a lot of them, i am normally not a fan of recruiting to many cavs but as we don't have many CR3 Maces anyhow grenadiers won't be needed until Wang gets rifles.
Mutineer your pink dot is illegal. I tried to settle near there but Khurasan's borders expanded too early and we can't do much useful with it. I moved our spare settler back to Smolensk, trained another in Yakutsk and founded the cow/horse city in the middle of our lands.
Anyway, uneventful turnset. I decided to build the military academy in Moscow and we might as well set it up with lumbermills since it has 9 forests we didn't chop for some reason, building Heroic epic there too
Took alex's gold, traded nationalism to Wang for banking and 300 gold. Our trade routes are quite good and benefit our vassals too so I didn't go to mercantilism. Saladin wanted nationalism + 680 gold for the rest of gunpowder, I declined, we will research gunpowder ourselves and revolt to nationalism temporarily to draft some muskets (I imagine we will want free speech for the culture when we get liberalism though)
Pharsalos in first revolt to us.
Monty went into theocracy and having too much on his hands, he has chemistry too. I can't think of anyone else he'd declare on except us so I decided to move our newly trained troops to St Pete and not attack anyone else.
Military tradition due in 2 turns. Oh, our vassals have some cash we could sell them old tech for. We might want to attack Monty before he attacks us.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/88630/Mutineer_passive_agressive_AD-1580.CivWarlordsSave
Anyway, uneventful turnset. I decided to build the military academy in Moscow and we might as well set it up with lumbermills since it has 9 forests we didn't chop for some reason, building Heroic epic there too
Took alex's gold, traded nationalism to Wang for banking and 300 gold. Our trade routes are quite good and benefit our vassals too so I didn't go to mercantilism. Saladin wanted nationalism + 680 gold for the rest of gunpowder, I declined, we will research gunpowder ourselves and revolt to nationalism temporarily to draft some muskets (I imagine we will want free speech for the culture when we get liberalism though)
Pharsalos in first revolt to us.
Monty went into theocracy and having too much on his hands, he has chemistry too. I can't think of anyone else he'd declare on except us so I decided to move our newly trained troops to St Pete and not attack anyone else.
Military tradition due in 2 turns. Oh, our vassals have some cash we could sell them old tech for. We might want to attack Monty before he attacks us.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/88630/Mutineer_passive_agressive_AD-1580.CivWarlordsSave
shyuhe
Deity
I played a boring set too. I thought about declaring war but Monty has replaceable parts so he's only one step from rifles. I wanted to have access to grenadiers before we go after him. Chemistry is now in and we have a stack on his border - I'd suggest kicking off the next set with a war declaration and see what he throws at us 
Wang will be easy to clean up later as he has terrible land. He should be easy to vassalize since he has almost no military, and I think we should deal with Monty's full hands first. He didn't declare on Wang during my set (the only other civ he's annoyed with) who has a lot less power so I'm guessing he's after us. Hopefully Vicky will pick up a few cities this time.
Just a funny shot of what Saly is up to:
May the next player have fun
EDIT: finished MT, started and finished chemistry - research set for steel. Traded for divine right from Vicky (nobody has built Spiral Minaret yet, or Taj for that matter) and also got PP from Roos. Vicky is set for astronomy and Roos is set for replaceable parts.
Wang will be easy to clean up later as he has terrible land. He should be easy to vassalize since he has almost no military, and I think we should deal with Monty's full hands first. He didn't declare on Wang during my set (the only other civ he's annoyed with) who has a lot less power so I'm guessing he's after us. Hopefully Vicky will pick up a few cities this time.
Just a funny shot of what Saly is up to:
May the next player have fun
EDIT: finished MT, started and finished chemistry - research set for steel. Traded for divine right from Vicky (nobody has built Spiral Minaret yet, or Taj for that matter) and also got PP from Roos. Vicky is set for astronomy and Roos is set for replaceable parts.
Sorry, I played a bit more turns then I should have, was wanting to Make Viky take Mounty capital and founding land claming culture pressing city.
Be carefull of roosevelt, he is 40% of our population.
On turn 0 I more 4 muskets in direction of viky and declare on Mounty.
He send some stack, I clean it out. Next turn Muskets enter Viky Theretory and I gift them to viky.
(My observation. I think if you gift units on land tie, they assigned pillage AI. If one gift units in capital it seems to assign attack AI.) So, I think it is beter to gift units in capital.
I tell Roosevelt to attack City on penecila near him and Viky to attack Teotihuacan. But roosevelt send his stack to Teotihuacan. Only after She took it I was able to redirect it.
I wander, does AI ignore to whom you tell to attack?
I bombarded Tenochtitlan. Viky stack I gifted on land come and separated i to pillage, but one was near city.
So, I kill all units in city exept one.
Viky took it and manage to hold. It seems she move first, then MOunty.
I build Galey to fst ferry units to her capital and gift he gradially 6 more muskets.
Tell he to attack Tenochtitlan. Repeate same procedure, ONly Mounty got Riffles. So, when her units got near I had to sucrify 2 trebushets.
Viky took city and lost it the same turn to mounty knight contrattack.
But she did move more units near, so, I move my units to block any more contattack and repeate. Had to sucrify one more trebushet, because riffle move in. She took city and I found Krasnoyrsk.
Idea is to put pressure on bouth Viky cities and eventially claim all this ice land. I am not sure, but I think we can disband Teotihuacan when it revolted to as, he allready had one Russian revolt.
My units healing and protecting Tenochtitlan for viky at the moment, when rest of stack going to next MOunty city. I forget to check, may be he allready ready to capitulate? Please do.
Save:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/84898/Mutineer_passive_agressive_AD-1676.CivWarlordsSave
Be carefull of roosevelt, he is 40% of our population.
On turn 0 I more 4 muskets in direction of viky and declare on Mounty.
He send some stack, I clean it out. Next turn Muskets enter Viky Theretory and I gift them to viky.
(My observation. I think if you gift units on land tie, they assigned pillage AI. If one gift units in capital it seems to assign attack AI.) So, I think it is beter to gift units in capital.
I tell Roosevelt to attack City on penecila near him and Viky to attack Teotihuacan. But roosevelt send his stack to Teotihuacan. Only after She took it I was able to redirect it.
I wander, does AI ignore to whom you tell to attack?
I bombarded Tenochtitlan. Viky stack I gifted on land come and separated i to pillage, but one was near city.
So, I kill all units in city exept one.
Viky took it and manage to hold. It seems she move first, then MOunty.
I build Galey to fst ferry units to her capital and gift he gradially 6 more muskets.
Tell he to attack Tenochtitlan. Repeate same procedure, ONly Mounty got Riffles. So, when her units got near I had to sucrify 2 trebushets.
Viky took city and lost it the same turn to mounty knight contrattack.
But she did move more units near, so, I move my units to block any more contattack and repeate. Had to sucrify one more trebushet, because riffle move in. She took city and I found Krasnoyrsk.
Idea is to put pressure on bouth Viky cities and eventially claim all this ice land. I am not sure, but I think we can disband Teotihuacan when it revolted to as, he allready had one Russian revolt.
My units healing and protecting Tenochtitlan for viky at the moment, when rest of stack going to next MOunty city. I forget to check, may be he allready ready to capitulate? Please do.
Save:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/84898/Mutineer_passive_agressive_AD-1676.CivWarlordsSave
shyuhe
Deity
I wonder what Roos is doing with his stack... is he scared of Monty's military power because it looks like he's turtling in his capital. Monty won't capitulate - probably need more power and/or inflict more losses on him. Also, Alex's hands are full (again). Time to prepare the eastern border - do we want to reinforce Pharsalos to help keep it in hopes of flipping it later?
I do not actially want Roosevelt to take any more cities, as he allready on 40% of our population. By the look of it he collecting supper Sod stack.
There is a knight near our city, near roosevelt. It is not a danger, as we have 2 units in city and can draft and bring Green next turn. Still, better to pay attention.
There is a knight near our city, near roosevelt. It is not a danger, as we have 2 units in city and can draft and bring Green next turn. Still, better to pay attention.
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