Passive agressive Vassal domination
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slowcar
King
I made peace with all three as we don't have any troops to fight - and even a single archer would pose a serious threat, at least to our land improvements. Lost all but one scout to barbs, some crappy RNG-rolls, hope we get better ones when things get in motion, then.
I built our second city, Antium, 1 NW of the suggested spot to leave more space for a gem-city in-between as well as claiming another floodplains.
Here a picture:
Our capital:
A possible settling site, claiming horses, stone and possibly elephants (but no bonus food), at least if we can manage to fight Karakorums culture. Cyrus has a settler in the north on a very nice city site
Maybe we should open borders to him or hatty to get a friend and maybe a religion.
In between we have two possibilities to settle. On top of the gems, giving us pigs as well as corn - but leaving only 1 of the 5 bonus commerce.
The other possible location is 1NW of the gems, still a harbor city, gets pigs and a plains hill. I'd tend to settle on gems nontheless as bonus food is a quite good production source, given slavery.
I decided to go writing directly after wheel to get a possible library + scientist up and running, with our land and game targets we should go for a SE. This way we can lightbulb Philosophy later on. Still not sure if it would have been smarter to take pottery before it.
The map has very few strangling possibilities, i'd suggest we expand like mad and build some army on top, start to harass nearby civs and deny them expansion while claiming the space ourselves. I think Genghis and Huayana are good targets for this, given they are neighbours. We need to keep them small until we get feudalism.
As we have marble we should consider oracle in antium - i don't know if we can still get it given our current research and industrious luis nearby. Oracl-ing monarchy or alphabet would be a good step towards feudalism. Great Library is to be considered, too.
Let's go building happy and fight some defensive wars, going settler grabbing.
I built our second city, Antium, 1 NW of the suggested spot to leave more space for a gem-city in-between as well as claiming another floodplains.
Here a picture:
Our capital:
A possible settling site, claiming horses, stone and possibly elephants (but no bonus food), at least if we can manage to fight Karakorums culture. Cyrus has a settler in the north on a very nice city site
Maybe we should open borders to him or hatty to get a friend and maybe a religion.
In between we have two possibilities to settle. On top of the gems, giving us pigs as well as corn - but leaving only 1 of the 5 bonus commerce.
The other possible location is 1NW of the gems, still a harbor city, gets pigs and a plains hill. I'd tend to settle on gems nontheless as bonus food is a quite good production source, given slavery.
I decided to go writing directly after wheel to get a possible library + scientist up and running, with our land and game targets we should go for a SE. This way we can lightbulb Philosophy later on. Still not sure if it would have been smarter to take pottery before it.
The map has very few strangling possibilities, i'd suggest we expand like mad and build some army on top, start to harass nearby civs and deny them expansion while claiming the space ourselves. I think Genghis and Huayana are good targets for this, given they are neighbours. We need to keep them small until we get feudalism.
As we have marble we should consider oracle in antium - i don't know if we can still get it given our current research and industrious luis nearby. Oracl-ing monarchy or alphabet would be a good step towards feudalism. Great Library is to be considered, too.
Let's go building happy and fight some defensive wars, going settler grabbing.
shyuhe
Deity
Got it.
Why not build a third city north of the gems? It may get some useless tiles in return but I think the commerce benefit of the gems will be very helpful in pushing for the oracle. Antium looks like a great site for the oracle.
Why not build a third city north of the gems? It may get some useless tiles in return but I think the commerce benefit of the gems will be very helpful in pushing for the oracle. Antium looks like a great site for the oracle.
slowcar
King
don't ask me why i didn't suggest that, maybe i was fixed on having a harbor city. 1N looks indeed better - but i would not settle it as 3rd as we should focus on expanding.
negyvenketto
Scientist
OK, thanks. I'm good at being passive, will do my best to be agressive at the same time
shyuhe
Deity
just about to play. Report in an hour.
shyuhe
Deity
ok. Not much action. I debated another worker steal but I haven't attempted it and left it for the team to decide. We can deny Khan horses if we do it. Mehmed can also be denied copper if we war with him again. 2nd settler completed and I've started to send him off east to the site that Cyrus passed up (I have no idea why...).
Here's the proposed worker steal:
Khan has no other strategic resources (till elephants).
Writing completed, mysticism is almost in, although I think we may be pushing our luck trying to get the oracle (although the gold mine is almost ready).
Here's the proposed worker steal:
Khan has no other strategic resources (till elephants).
Writing completed, mysticism is almost in, although I think we may be pushing our luck trying to get the oracle (although the gold mine is almost ready).
Very early worker steal can work with one warrior, when AI capital protected only by one archer. Later AI has 2+ units in cities.
My second and thurd worker steal was done with warrior/scout pair.
Well, second was on distance 3 from Maxmed capital(water was providing obstacle), so archer can not rich it in one turn, but I did had scout near by.
Thurd was done with warrior/scout pair. So, archer attack from capital, kill my warrior but scout prevented it from recapturing worker.
Problem with multiply declare is that when we vassal him in future he will have a lots of - from you declare war on as, making it dificult or even imposible to rich friendly state.
I need to look on save in order to deside is it a good idea or not.
Did we connect cooper yet?
My second and thurd worker steal was done with warrior/scout pair.
Well, second was on distance 3 from Maxmed capital(water was providing obstacle), so archer can not rich it in one turn, but I did had scout near by.
Thurd was done with warrior/scout pair. So, archer attack from capital, kill my warrior but scout prevented it from recapturing worker.
Problem with multiply declare is that when we vassal him in future he will have a lots of - from you declare war on as, making it dificult or even imposible to rich friendly state.
I need to look on save in order to deside is it a good idea or not.
Did we connect cooper yet?
slowcar
King
you can see the connected copper in my city screen of antium.
regarding worker steal: as mutineer said it won't work as the worker stands directly near a city which possibly has at least two archers.
we should have some spear ready on khans border by the time he develops horseback riding, he loves to attack with his UU.
good work with the "cyrus-site", i really don't know how somebody can pass such a lovely place.
antium should maybe go on military duty and build axes/spears.
seeing mysticism being researched i guess we are trying to get oracle, right? have some worker ready and some forest pre-chopped eventually?
regarding worker steal: as mutineer said it won't work as the worker stands directly near a city which possibly has at least two archers.
we should have some spear ready on khans border by the time he develops horseback riding, he loves to attack with his UU.
good work with the "cyrus-site", i really don't know how somebody can pass such a lovely place.
antium should maybe go on military duty and build axes/spears.
seeing mysticism being researched i guess we are trying to get oracle, right? have some worker ready and some forest pre-chopped eventually?
shyuhe
Deity
Rome also has copper. Meditation + Preisthood + Masonry shouldn't take too long to research so I *hope* oracle is still viable. I just forgot that it's epic speed 
Both Cyrus and Khan settled their second cities elsewhere so I think we can knab the good spot. I have NO idea why Cyrus chose a tundra hill instead. Maybe he sees iron??
Both Cyrus and Khan settled their second cities elsewhere so I think we can knab the good spot. I have NO idea why Cyrus chose a tundra hill instead. Maybe he sees iron??
Pre-turn
Rome : barracks -> settler
IBT 1600 BC
Louis (3 cities) and Hatty (2 cities) have Writing, no open borders.
1570 BC (1)
Mysticism is known, start to research Masonry.
IBT 1420 BC
Cyrus (2 cities) has Writing too.
1390 BC (7)
Cyrus has a settler pair near the copper hill.
Rush settler in Rome.
1300 BC (10)
War declared on Persia, axe killed archer/settler combo, another worker for us.
1270 BC (11)
Masonry is known, start to research Polytheism.
1210 BC (13)
1120 BC (16)
Try to kill that Mongol archer/settler pair.
Rome : barracks -> settler
IBT 1600 BC
Louis (3 cities) and Hatty (2 cities) have Writing, no open borders.
1570 BC (1)
Mysticism is known, start to research Masonry.
IBT 1420 BC
Cyrus (2 cities) has Writing too.
1390 BC (7)
Cyrus has a settler pair near the copper hill.
Rush settler in Rome.
1300 BC (10)
War declared on Persia, axe killed archer/settler combo, another worker for us.
1270 BC (11)
Masonry is known, start to research Polytheism.
1210 BC (13)
1120 BC (16)
Try to kill that Mongol archer/settler pair.
slowcar
King
why didn't we built cumae with access to the corn?
