Pericles has a wrong helmet...

[9gkj548hkm20vk79dj689bnj4]

did Greeks really wear their helmets propped up like that? Or is this just based off of that Pericles statue?

You would think it would fall off or fall back down.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

Before outdated action heroes were cool .

Sort of like this movie?

 

[DJ_Tanner]

did Greeks really wear their helmets propped up like that? Or is this just based off of that Pericles statue?

You would think it would fall off or fall back down.

Out of combat they would tilt the helmet up just like that.

But the Corinthian helmet went through MANY iterations, most of which, led it to being more and more closed up. It began far more open but by the end it was fully closed off.

 

[Manifold]

Without the helm instead for that a laurel wreath and with a purple toga and a different background Pericles could be made to Marcus Aurelius the philosopher Emperor, a very good new LH for the Roman Empire.

I guess for someone who has the required software and some practice in doing LH, it will take less than 10 minutes

 

[stef-4]

I also don't like Pericles. Instead of seeing a powerful leader and general who ruled over Athens more than 30 years, at the peak of their Golden Age, we see a weak old man who is 75+ years old, when Pericles actually died at 66 from plague... Anyway, i still look forward to playing Civ 6, i actually can't wait but the whole "over aged and elderly" Pericles seems like a bad idea...

 

[SMcM]

Sort of like this movie?

Spoiler :

Can't say I've heard of 'The Dependables', but its 3.7 IMDb score hardly makes it look enticing! Has something of a 'Dad's army' look to it.

Oh, back to topic- so, which Civ VI leader has the best hat?

 

[Morningcalm]

I also don't like Pericles. Instead of seeing a powerful leader and general who ruled over Athens more than 30 years, at the peak of their Golden Age, we see a weak old man who is 75+ years old, when Pericles actually died at 66 from plague... Anyway, i still look forward to playing Civ 6, i actually can't wait but the whole "over aged and elderly" Pericles seems like a bad idea...

I could not agree more. The Pericles in game simply lacks stature. He looks like a crazed old librarian, not a general. You'd think even a general in old age would have stronger arms. My arms are stronger than his and I'm *not* a warrior.

 

[shyPiano]

Oh, back to topic- so, which Civ VI leader has the best hat?

Obvious!
Oh, wait, Civ VI leader. Oops! Well, I'm really curious to know what in the world is Hojo wearing. I know his design is based on a TV show that aired in Japan, but even then... What is that? Is it even historically accurate?
You know what? Gimme a minute...
... There! It's perfect! Now Hojo Tokimune is the Civ VI leader with the best hat!

OK, enough off-topic. Let's talk Pericles' helmet.
I also feel that Pericles' design, overall, is weaker to his Civ IV design. I don't even mind him being old that much, Civilization VI seems to enjoy taking different ages for their leaders from what one would usually expect (young Victoria, young Pedro II, old Pericles). But the designs for that helmet and that scroll I don't really enjoy. I wouldn't say he has the worst design, I think that reward goes to Gandhi so far, but it's not one of my favorites. Change his helmet (or just remove it entirely) and his scroll, and he'd be a good representation of Pericles, though Civ IV's Pericles still has this Pericles beat.

 

[Thormodr]

I could not agree more. The Pericles in game simply lacks stature. He looks like a crazed old librarian, not a general. You'd think even a general in old age would have stronger arms. My arms are stronger than his and I'm *not* a warrior.

Uhhh...He was 66 years old when he passed away. I'm sure he didn't do any active battle for decades, if at any time. He was a career politician. I'm also sure that his stressful job ensured that he didn't age well.
So, I don't have a problem with his wimpy arms.

 

[SMcM]

Obvious!
Oh, wait, Civ VI leader. Oops! Well, I'm really curious to know what in the world is Hojo wearing. I know his design is based on a TV show that aired in Japan, but even then... What is that? Is it even historically accurate?
You know what? Gimme a minute...
... There! It's perfect! Now Hojo Tokimune is the Civ VI leader with the best hat!

OK, enough off-topic. Let's talk Pericles' helmet.
I also feel that Pericles' design, overall, is weaker to his Civ IV design. I don't even mind him being old that much, Civilization VI seems to enjoy taking different ages for their leaders from what one would usually expect (young Victoria, young Pedro II, old Pericles). But the designs for that helmet and that scroll I don't really enjoy. I wouldn't say he has the worst design, I think that reward goes to Gandhi so far, but it's not one of my favorites. Change his helmet (or just remove it entirely) and his scroll, and he'd be a good representation of Pericles, though Civ IV's Pericles still has this Pericles beat.

Joao II was definitely the coolest looking leader from Civ IV, and his music was my favorite as well. Gezo of the kingdom of Dahomey (modern day Benin) might also be your kind of leader:

 

[Furycrab]

What's the significance of him being portrayed with a helm like that? Like was it his thing? If so I could imagine him having a more ornamental helm that he wears in public. The real thing would be really heavy to have over your head like that all the time.

Either way, possible historical inaccuracies aside, I think he looks good, and the civ looks like fun where your focus is on making friends and government.

Better than CiV Greece where he was just a jerk who happened to be friends with half the CS if you went to war with him.

 

[Morningcalm]

Uhhh...He was 66 years old when he passed away. I'm sure he didn't do any active battle for decades, if at any time. He was a career politician. I'm also sure that his stressful job ensured that he didn't age well.
So, I don't have a problem with his wimpy arms.

Even at 66 he would have stronger arms than that! My granddad fought in a war and he has stronger arms. He's over 85 years old. I kid you not. And I don't think this "strength in old age" thing is limited to healthy Asian elders.

My dad, who is nearing 65, still has arms like oaks.

So no, I don't buy Pericles having wimpy arms because he's near 66.

And more to the point, why would you portray Pericles near his time of death?!

He would have seen active service as being a general in ancient times required that. You couldn't (and even now this is true) simply armchair your way into a generalship. There is actual physical activity involved. Maybe politicians don't actively fight in wars, but Pericles was a statesman AND general.

 

[Thormodr]

Even at 66 he would have stronger arms than that! My granddad fought in a war and he has stronger arms. He's over 85 years old. I kid you not. And I don't think this "strength in old age" thing is limited to healthy Asian elders.

My dad, who is nearing 65, still has arms like oaks.

So no, I don't buy Pericles having wimpy arms because he's near 66.

And more to the point, why would you portray Pericles near his time of death?!

He would have seen active service as being a general in ancient times required that. You couldn't (and even now this is true) simply armchair your way into a generalship. There is actual physical activity involved. Maybe politicians don't actively fight in wars, but Pericles was a statesman AND general.

*Sigh* Pericles was noted for his mind and not for his physique. I think the way he is depicted in Civ VI accurately portrays that. Brains over brawn.

Find me an account of Pericles actually fighting in the battle. I'd be interested in seeing that and perhaps I would revise my views. I studied Greek and Roman history in University and I admit my memory is a little rusty.

 

[King William I]

Eh, he wad a general, but he was also a politician. So his design is what the average person thinks what a Classical Greek politician looked like.

Also can we be happy that the travesty of Alexander leading Greece is no more...

 

[Thormodr]

Eh, he wad a general, but he was also a politician. So his design is what the average person thinks what a Classical Greek politician looked like.

Also can we be happy that the travesty of Alexander leading Greece is no more...

Indeed. I cringed every time I saw Alexander's mocking face.

Pericles looks like a good dude and someone I can get along with in the game.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

Can't say I've heard of 'The Dependables', but its 3.7 IMDb score hardly makes it look enticing! Has something of a 'Dad's army' look to it.

Oh, back to topic- so, which Civ VI leader has the best hat?

Oh yeah, terribly lame.

Anyway...Harald maybe? They all look funny. Oh Cleo and Tomyris look decent too. Actually I'd pick Tomyris.

 

[Martinus]

Do people actually seem to think that being a general in Athens meant you rise through the ranks of soldiers and eventually get promoted??

 

[JimmyBanks]

I love the sarcasm in this thread.

I really don't care if it's not historically appropriate, I really don't care if Ghandi looks like his head is bigger than his torso, I really don't care if Teddy Roosavelt needs a wheelchair to get around in because the devs made him so fat, I really don't care that every time I look at Victoria I think she has a glass eye. I just don't care. Yes, I want to be able to recognise them as the characters but I really don't need it to be lifelike or realistic, I just want a good game, and so far, from what I've seen, the devs have delivered that.

 

[Morningcalm]

Uhhh...He was 66 years old when he passed away. I'm sure he didn't do any active battle for decades, if at any time. He was a career politician. I'm also sure that his stressful job ensured that he didn't age well.
So, I don't have a problem with his wimpy arms.

A stressful job doesn't destroy muscles, and he as a general, so even without seeing active battle he would have retained a lot of his muscle. Google images of people in their 60s. Many look hardly weak or decrepit as this Pericles does.

If you guys are telling me that being an Athenian general requires no muscles, that still doesn't answer to the fact that busts of Pericles do not show him as weak at all. Notably, the famous bust of Pericles his Civ IV portrayal was based on was created in 430 BC, one year before Pericles died. And again, Pericles in game looks nothing like that bust. You can speculate all you like that Pericles looked like he was in his 80s when he was in his 60s, but that's unreasonable.

And also, why portray Pericles at his age of death?!?

One final thing to point out is that your assumption that Pericles didn't actively fight in battle appears to be wrong. Per Wikipedia, Pericles led a naval expedition in 430 BC, one year before he died. He also led all Athenian military operations in 429 BC after being re-elected as strategos. This doesn't mean he actually raised a sword in those battles, but I doubt he would have gone had he not the ability to do so.

 

[Furycrab]

Do people actually seem to think that being a general in Athens meant you rise through the ranks of soldiers and eventually get promoted??

If Hollywood has taught me anything, he was also a slave at some point and earned his freedom in the Arena!

These historical figures are so inconsiderate, don't even plan for a decent facebook page.