TheDervish
Scion of the Achaemenids
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Am I totally tripping, or does the guy in the "library" sound effect say "dorose"?
Ruffin said:Okay, you brought it up so as a good Greek (partial, anyway) I have to respond: Marathon. Thermopylae. Salamis. Plataea. Cunaxa (okay, that was an intramural on your part, but our guys kicked tail).
Notice I'm not mentioning Guagamela or Granicus. You have a legitimate gripe about Civ's Persian "history", but we're stuck with a fascist Macedonian psychopath as our only leaderhead. Was Pericles not available? At least someone Greek?
Oh, and can anyone explain why the language is Farsi, not Parsi? The name "Persian" comes from the Pars province, right? So I would assume the language would be Parsi. Unless the name came to English in Arabic and they replaced the P with an F. Anyway... always was curious about that.
shahreevar said:although the number of the persian army was not 1mil. also i dont think the people themselves were really at war with each other, the greeks were fascinated with the persians and viseversa.(or maybe this is wishfull thinking, but i think the two nations had a lot to learn from one another)
wait untill the Cyrus movie comes out. that should be very good.shahreevar said:and the movie alexander was![]()
p.s. you would be surprized of the greek words that are used in modern persian, e.g. oghyanoos (ocean, i think okeanus in greak, not sure about the spelling)
Xshayathiya said:wait untill the Cyrus movie comes out. that should be very good.
And yes, the greek influences on persian and vice versa are indeed many. for example we both have baklava![]()
shahreevar said:.... but finally to anwer your question the language was Parsi, but because in arabic there is no P sound, it became Farsi (arabic for persia is Al-Faris), Arabic was the lingua franca of the Islamic world, and Persian was officially illegal for some time (although people indeed spoke it, it was not written)
the early iranian-muslim scholars wrote in Arabic.
shahreevar said:oh and i do think they should have a GREEK leader, not a mecedonian one!! ( his chin is too big lol
and the movie alexander was![]()
p.s. you would be surprized of the greek words that are used in modern persian, e.g. oghyanoos (ocean, i think okeanus in greak, not sure about the spelling)
shahreevar said:hmmm, i hope so, i heard that they are asking sean connery to paly as cyrusi would be nice to get someone younger, maybe someone who is actually iranian
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Ruffin said:If you don't have an F in your alphabet, how do you spell "Pfffffttt!"?
TheDervish said:I wasn't even aware of a Cyrus the Great movie. Can someone please point me to website, or working title?
Ben Kingsley played at least 1 Iranian role in the past, and I think he mentioned something about being part Iranian or having some tie to Persians. I think he would do better, but then again there's the age factor.
TheDervish said:I wasn't even aware of a Cyrus the Great movie. Can someone please point me to website, or working title?
Ben Kingsley played at least 1 Iranian role in the past, and I think he mentioned something about being part Iranian or having some tie to Persians. I think he would do better, but then again there's the age factor.
lol, the old GazhPachshahreevar said:the persian alphabet is same as arabic + 4 more letters/sounds i.e.
G... like the G in God
ch... like church
p...like peter
j or zh... like s in pleasure
Junuxx said:1. Please do note that there are more 'barbarians' in Civ 3 which actually should be considered part of a civ. The Minoans (pre-Greeks) and the Seljuk (the name of the Ottomans before Ottoman) spring to mind. Also, some North American tribes are featured as barbarians, while the Iroquois are considered a civ. So, although it's strange and a little offending mayhaps, it might be some comfort for you that other people are offended just as much![]()
Xshayathiya said:I am indeed honoured that sid decided to include the Persians in civ. I was very surprised when i first playerd civ3 that they were.
Xshayathiya said:lol, the old GazhPach(Ahhh the memories from first grade)
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shahreevar said:ben kingsly btw is indian, he changed he name from and indian name to his current name (screen name)
Xshayathiya said:I always hated the way they had written the history for Persia in Civ3. They even didnt have the immortals unit right (this is what an immortal actually looks like). I'd hoped they would have fixed it for Civ4, but they haven't. It starts out ok, but at the end it becomes inaccurate, and even a little offensive.
Now if you're not Persian, that paragraph is fine and dandy, but if you are, you know what i'm talking about.
1. The Parthians are considered a Persian dynasty by Persian historians. The way that the game treats them as barbarians and conquerers is totally inaccurate. Them not mentioning this is ok, I can live with it.
2. They just briefly mention the Sassanians, and only talk about their weakness. Not the fact that they beat back Byzantine invasions and took the roman emperor Valerian prisoner. Not mentioning this I can also live with.
3. The Arab Invasion. Now this is the one i can't live with. "Persia (modern Iran) has largely belonged to the Arab world. " Iran is not an Arab country. This statement is literally offensive to me and anyone else who is from Iran.
"The customs and religion of ancient Persia were destroyed and the population absorbed into the surrounding Islamic culture; only a few remnants survive today."
This could not be less inaccurate. If anything, there was a Persian cultural invasion of the Arabs. Thjey dont mention that the greatest Persian philosophers, scientists, poets and minds lived during this era. Khwarazmi, who the word Algebra is named after. Tusi, the astronomer who published the same theories as copernicus, only 400 years before copernicus. Sina, whose medical books are taught in western medical schools, even today. I can go on forever. There aren't only "a few" remnants remaining today. There is about 80 million. Persian cultural practices are observed to this day. The Persian (Farsi) language is spoken by more than 100 million people (Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikstan, not to mention people in western countries). The Persian new year, a 2500 year old tradition still continues to this day.
Now I realize my tiny voice cant get this fixed, but i had to speak my mind or i was going to explode. This is worse than National Geographics' "Arabian Gulf" incident. If anyone from firaxis reads this, please change it for any upcoming civilisation game. If you need any information, feel free to contact me at sourena@sympatico.ca and i will answer any and all questions.
PS: Oh and while I have your attention how about adding Zoroastariansm as a playable religion? I believe it is significant because it was the world's first monotheistic religion.
Ruffin said:You have a legitimate gripe about Civ's Persian "history", but we're stuck with a fascist Macedonian psychopath as our only leaderhead. Was Pericles not available? At least someone Greek?