Illuminati confirmed...Because everyone knows the Maya were really alien-backed Egypto-Babylonians, and Babylon and Egypt are just short journeys from Judah?
That said, there are some common misconceptions about Jesus, often from Christendom ironically enough, and here's a few of them...1) Turns out that he wasn't executed on a cross, but it was executed on an upright stake/beam. 2) He didn't have long hair, and wasn't clean shaven but had a beard. 3) He wasn't frail and pale, but was fit and brown skinned. 4) And he wasn't born in December in Wintertime, but was born sometime in either September or October in early Autumn...
That said, there are some common misconceptions about Jesus, often from Christendom ironically enough, and here's a few of them...1) Turns out that he wasn't executed on a cross, but it was executed on an upright stake/beam.
2) He didn't have long hair, and wasn't clean shaven but had a beard.
3) He wasn't frail and pale, but was fit and brown skinned.
4) And he wasn't born in December in Wintertime, but was born sometime in either September or October in early Autumn...
At least we can still say Nobody abstains.Well in other news another person has abstained from supporting the Maya.
Technically speaking "Christ" was not part of his name per se, but his title (from the Greek version of Messiah, meaning "anointed one").Well there was probably a guy named Jesus Christ, but just basically this shows you that it's still a myth. Maybe not that he was a myth, but how he's pictured now.
I also heard somewhere that nails used for executions were quite expensive, so the fewer used the more efficient and cost effective, so one nail through both ankles, and one nail through both wrists...sounds painful!Correct, but misleading. Crucifixion back then had to be efficient due to the sheer number of people that had to be executed. Hence what the Romans did was to permanently install wooden poles at specific execution areas and the convicted would carry the upper part that tied their arms themselves to the area. This is reflected in how Jesus is said to have carried his cross, which in itself also incorrect.
Hmm...I recall somewhere him being depicted as clean shaven, or at least with a very thin beard. A bit of "detective work" so to speak can tell us some things, though not everything. In this case, we can consider his culture and time period to work out aspects of what he would have looked like, and from that we know that it would have been highly unusual for him to have long hair or to have been clean shaven. One specific group did grow their hair long, the Nazirites, however other factors show that Jesus wasn't a member of this group (perhaps it's the similar sound of Nazarene to Nazirite that started that misconception?).I don't think anyone has ever claimed Jesus was clean-shaven. That being said, there's no way one could verify how he looked like other than some basics that come with his era and ethnicity.
His upbringing as a carpenter is only part of the reasoning. The distance he traveled on foot is not by any means for the faint of heart.He would be considered frail by modern standards due to the poorer living conditions of the time and his own socioeconomic background. What is true is that he probably had very strong forearms due to working as a carpenter, but I wouldn't call that "fit", personally.
As for "brown-skinned", it depends how you define that, I guess. He would be similar in complexion to modern Levantine peoples, which is more or less how Orthodox/Miaphysite iconography portrays him to be. The pale, blonde imagery is mostly Western, more often than not Protestant. This is in itself just a general characteristic of people to always try to portray something in a familiar facade.
You won't believe this, but someone just said to me today that he was born in December, so it does still seem prevalent a belief (I took a moment to correct them, by the way).That is generally known in many areas, afaik. The obvious thing even clergymen bring up is "how could Joseph and Mary march all that distance towards Bethlehem if it was well into the winter period?".
Well in other news another person has abstained from supporting the Maya.
I'm reasonably certain the association of Jesus with long hair comes from Renaissance depictions of him, which were influenced by Medieval and Renaissance fashion. I've personally never heard any association of Jesus with the Nazīrīm, though I have heard (mostly refuted) speculation that He was associated with the Essenes.perhaps it's the similar sound of Nazarene to Nazirite that started that misconception?
That makes sense, though it's a shame that it stuck with us right into the Information era. Historical accuracy is important to me..I'm reasonably certain the association of Jesus with long hair comes from Renaissance depictions of him, which were influenced by Medieval and Renaissance fashion. I've personally never heard any association of Jesus with the Nazīrīm, though I have heard (mostly refuted) speculation that He was associated with the Essenes.
I also heard somewhere that nails used for executions were quite expensive, so the fewer used the more efficient and cost effective, so one nail through both ankles, and one nail through both wrists...sounds painful!
Hmm...I recall somewhere him being depicted as clean shaven, or at least with a very thin beard. A bit of "detective work" so to speak can tell us some things, though not everything. In this case, we can consider his culture and time period to work out aspects of what he would have looked like, and from that we know that it would have been highly unusual for him to have long hair or to have been clean shaven. One specific group did grow their hair long, the Nazirites, however other factors show that Jesus wasn't a member of this group (perhaps it's the similar sound of Nazarene to Nazirite that started that misconception?).
His upbringing as a carpenter is only part of the reasoning. The distance he traveled on foot is not by any means for the faint of heart.
You won't believe this, but someone just said to me today that he was born in December, so it does still seem prevalent a belief (I took a moment to correct them, by the way).
I'm reasonably certain the association of Jesus with long hair comes from Renaissance depictions of him, which were influenced by Medieval and Renaissance fashion.
That's pretty bad, but somehow not surprising, especially for that time period.They were sort of expensive, but they used the same nails on everyone which is why a large portion of fatalities from crucifixion were due to contamination/infections from the nail wounds. But the practice of using less nails depends on the circumstance. Sometimes crucifixions didn't even have nails, they simply tied them into the usual cross position with the ropes they used for the criminals to carry their upper part of the cross.
The Biblical accounts say he could blend in with a crowd of his contemporaries. If so, he cannot have stood out too much in his appearance.That's true, albeit we have lots of reasons to conclude Jesus was a very unusual person in general and his appearance might have even influenced the image of him being a blasphemer or social deviant by his era's puritan authority standards.
I wasn't thinking about the desert part, but that too, now that you mentioned it. Actually the area he walked in his life time was a really impressive feat, so if he was slender, he would still have been fit.You mean in the desert? Sure, he definitely had endurance. That being said, it's not like he made the whole trip in one go and he would still be quite slender (again, by modern standards).
*scrambles*We are still talking about Jesus in a thread about the Maya....
Has a party two thousand years ago...It's still being talked about. XDWe are still talking about Jesus in a thread about the Maya....
Well, on topic, there is actually a significant Syriac Orthodox presence among modern Mayans, which was a statistic that surprised me.*scrambles*
It's because of how Christianity melded with the Mayan beliefs and gave rise to the cult of the three speaking crosses that fueled the Casta War resistance. which leads me to, Dark horse Mayan leader Canek who could be a part of a third expansion or DLC scenario coupled with Mexico civ...
*looks if there's a mod around*
Jokes aside it would be interesting if a Mayan civ could have one feature relating to modern Mayans
There are still Mayans just like there are still Nahua, but I'd prefer the civ itself focus on Classical Maya personally.It's so annoying how common is this pop culture idea that the Mayans misteriously "dissapeared".
"Jesus leads the Maya in Sid Meier's Civilization VI..." That surely won't offend anyone.Also, I worked out that the Maya civilization existed around the time that the Devil tempted Jesus by offering him power over all the kingdoms of the world...I wonder if that somehow included the Maya?
That is interesting! How did that happen?Well, on topic, there is actually a significant Syriac Orthodox presence among modern Mayans, which was a statistic that surprised me.
Indeed, they didn't actually ""disappear" like some think, they just got depopulated and displaced.There are still Mayans just like there are still Nahua, but I'd prefer the civ itself focus on Classical Maya personally.
Well he did say "no"."Jesus leads the Maya in Sid Meier's Civilization VI..." That surely won't offend anyone.
Apparently a schismatic charismatic Catholic movement in Guatemala entered into communion with the Patriarch of Antioch: per Wikipedia.That is interesting! How did that happen?
Well no offense to Jesus but he isn't Lady Six Sky. Not because I don't like him but he's not a lady or Mayan."Jesus leads the Maya in Sid Meier's Civilization VI..." That surely won't offend anyone.
There are probably a lot of Mayans named Jesus now.Plus Jesus sounds too Latin for a Mayan leader name.
I'd love a French leader for England, and by French I mean a Plantagenet. Or, well, a cadet branch. Like the House of Lancaster.Almost as bad as a French leader possibly leading England...oh wait
Well, on topic, there is actually a significant Syriac Orthodox presence among modern Mayans, which was a statistic that surprised me.