PH04: One Happy Family

[Xerol]

I think we can secure the UN by keeping an engineer or three on hand. I say we beeline for steel and get an ironworks city up - one with tons of production - and pile any generals we get into it for experience. I tried this in a recent game as Japan. With west point, ironworks, and 3 generals settled, along with Theocracy and Vassalage, I was able to put out modern 17xp units every 2-3 turns, and this was on Marathon speed. With forge, factory, and ironworks we can work 5 or 6 (I forget what factories let you have) Engineers running. Engineers would be good for securing some other wonders as well. I know this isn't a military-based variant but we'll almost certainly need to go to war later on to adjust borders and diplomacy in our favor, and if we set up two good military cities (the one I mentioned, plus one with the HE, preferably a coastal city for powerful naval units with a drydocks) we'll be able to secure our victory while leaving the other cities available to tech up to Mass Media quickly and spread the religion effectively.

 

[Meatbuster]

-1 relations doesn't make it that much harder, but it's still harder

If we grab buddhist cities from Capac I'm sure it won't be too hard to "edit" our rival's religious alignment assuming that civ shares Hindu with us.

I think Heroic Epic will be sufficient for the military center. We can slap the Ironworks elsewhere to help build everything else (e.g. UN), keeping the military producer free.

 

[Xerol]

I did post the save, didn't I?

 

[Meatbuster]

For a second I was afraid it would be my turn. Yesh, the save is there.

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[karr1255]

I'm back now and will pick it up as soon as Pholks done.

 

[Meatbuster]

That's another one of those wacky alternative "waiting for your post" thingies!

Good thing I have a break between turns in various SG's! Otherwise I have no time to play the GOTM.

 

[pholkhero]

Boy you folks are subtle

Sorry all, i had a small personal emergency these past couple days and will be OoP for sure again Monday and Tuesday (est). However, i'm off from work, can play later today, and post a report. But it'll be about 12 hours (maybe less) so that's still in my 24/48 time peroid (72 hrs) so !! :scold: :scold: a$ $$holes!

 

[pholkhero]

Okay, ya'll, here you go:

First things first, before i push enter, I call our enemy HC over for a chat. We agree to smoke the peace pipe

I've never been a big fan of the war for this game, as I think it should, until later, be about boosting relations rather than acquiring territory. I figure we can use this time to consolidate some army and if we want, move them into Mali and Mongolia for a nice dual sneak attack perhaps ~

Here's part of our army, now on their way northward to hold the city of Lahore from Malines and Mongolian oppression and keep civic order.

It's also one of the gathering points for one the armies. The second is, of course, Calcutta.

On the very next turn, I meet Isabella...

hmm, a Jew, eh? What is youw name, Jew?!
-Brian.
Ohh, Bwian, eh.
- no, no B-RR-ian.
Strike him centurion, very roughly -- oh wait, sorry ~

Jewish, but you didn't found it, eh? so you need some religionifying for sure I order up another caravel or two on the homefront to serve as missionary runners, though to my dismay i realized later they only hold 1 (ONE!!) stinkin' missionary! We need Astronomy sooner rather than later to be effective at religion spreading.

Also on that turn, St Thomas Aquinas (GP) was born.

I put him to sleep in the city. We should discuss what to do with him. We have the HIndu shrine so either we should merge or save him for a GA perhaps? Or even if we get another GP for Islam??

Here's a shot of Calcutta:

As I mentioned before, this is our other army stronghold. That Mongolian city that lies between them is a GREAT nuisance to me, though there's probably no chance it'll flip to us nor that there'll be an oppurtunity to take it...but oh if there was

This was a very busy turn as Hinduism also spread to the last heathen Malinese city:

In 1020, we meet Hannibal, leader of the Carthiginians.

There SHALL be peace in our time . . . b/c you're converting He's another one we need to flood with missionaries. Perhaps we can alternate shiploads to him and Isabella.

I also negotiate a little Open Borders treaty to get things rolling.

So far, it looks like we need to isolate Ramesses and HC as the founders of their own religions, and convert everyone else! That's why, too, i don't think, now, that we should raze the Buddhist holy city. We NEED him to stay Buddhist to use as a punching bag! More to come . . .

 

[pholkhero]

Turns of moving our opposing caravels enter are punctuated with diplomatic visits. In 1040, there's the historic Great Begging of Huayna Capac.

No, get a job, like the rest of us.

In 1060, our Good Friend in Faith Genghis came by with an idea for a strategic resource trade:

I said okay for the relations boost and the horses for the short term. I also proposed a trade to him:

Nice to get another luxury good, eh?

Our ships found Spain a few turns earlier, and then later sailed past the capital:

There's Madrid. I believe there's a missionary in a caravel on his way there now.

Later, I found this island SE of the one we're on:

Now here's another reason to get to Astronomy: to colonize this island! It'll make for 2 nice commerce cities.

In 1080, New Sarai becomes the last heathen Mongolian city to convert and now every non-Incan city is HIndu on our continent.

Here's the situation on my last turn, 1100 ad: We've got a few caravels out in the wide open seas a mere turn or two from teh circum nav bonus:

We've also got a caravel with a missionary on it sailing west towards Spain to begin the Great Conversion of the world. The journey of thousand miles and all that . . .

Here's an overview of our nation, the great Hindu Motherland:

Beautiful, isn't she?

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And the Save

 

[karr1255]

I didn't want to rush you(again) but rather sign in to say that I'm back.

Oh and I'm playing now.

 

[Xerol]

We already have a prophet idling in Madras, the last person moved him there, but I wasn't sure what to do with him (since the shrine would only get us 1-2 gpt, and we weren't going to spread it). Now we have 2, which should be enough to directly pop Divine Right.

 

[karr1255]

pre turn - Lizzy loves Ramesses and runs Theocracy. Doesn't look like we are converting her anytime soon.

T1 - I start the University of Sankore in Delhi (done in 9). And I group our workers in pairs.

T2 - Some threbs are being built and I settle 1 GP in Delhi (Sankore down to 7). We can't spread 3 religions so 2 shrines won't be necessary. I actually think we might want to merge the other one too but the next player can decide that. Delhi will get all the money multipliers because the Hindu shrine is in there so the +5 gold is nice and it's our main production city.

T3 -

T8 - Great artist born in Delhi. I let him sit there with the prophet. We could save them for later (mass media).

T9 - For this turn I will just let the pictures do the talking:

The University isn't a huge thing but it took only 8 turns to build and also produces 6 scientist points. And of course the AI can't build it. After Education I start Philosophy. I think we might want to get Liberalism and take Astronomy.

 

[Meatbuster]

It's probably good to pop + research DR if the additional reasearch won't take too much time, so we can save one of the prophets for a GA; hopefully we'll get someone else next time.
EDIT: karr already put one Prophet inside Delhi
EDIT: Using the GP I will detour to Divine Right since no one seems to be contesting us for Liberalism. If there is opposition to this plan, speak now while I sleep.

It's Saturday 2AM; I'll get off to sleep now and play in 6-8 hours.

 

[karr1255]

I think we will get Liberalism for sure so go for it. I don't know how many turns it takes after the lightbulbing to research though. Do we save the artist for a golden age then or put him in the city that gets crushed by Mansas capitol? (Which probably won't change much)

 

[Xerol]

My first prophet would've researched around 60% of the tech, but the later a GP is born, the more valuable they are, so this new one should be able to research more of that (unless it's the new one you settled). As far as saving the artist goes, the same thing applies - by the time MM comes into play, the artist will probably only be able to do 1-2 turns of research for us. Might be a good idea to settle him somewhere to solidify some borders.

 

[pholkhero]

Good turns! I think we could settle the GA rather than use him for a culture bomb @ Lahore.

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[karr1255]

If we just want to secure some more tiles for a pressed city I'd settle him. It's almost impossible to tell which tiles would be claimed by the bomb without using the world builder. So my vote goes to settle the GA and try and get divine right via the prophet.

 

[Xerol]

Can the GA lightbulb anything that'd help us get to MM quicker?

 

[karr1255]

I just looked up the tech preference for the GA and heres the first couple:

Literature
Drama
Music
Polytheism
Monarchy
Mass Media
Radio
Mysticism

The question is if we save him for that long to bulb MM would he give more than maybe 1 or 2 turns of research? I doubt it. Right now he'd lightbulb drama btw.

 

[Xerol]

The question is if we save him for that long to bulb MM would he give more than maybe 1 or 2 turns of research?

I know that, in fact, I SAID THAT above:

As far as saving the artist goes, the same thing applies - by the time MM comes into play, the artist will probably only be able to do 1-2 turns of research for us.

Anyway, I was just wondering about the immediate benefit of lightbulbing vs. settling. But I do agree that we need to secure our culture first, I was just wondering if he'd help. (Drama would probably take 4 turns at this point anyway.)