PH04: One Happy Family

[Meatbuster]

I just checked that Islam had already been founded. Do we still need Divine Right (for Spiral Minaret perhaps)?

Drama takes a whopping 2 turns and we can grab it after Liberalism maybe. Speaking of Lib, I'm heading straight there now unless we really need the DR detour, although I bet someone's already building the Minaret as we speak.

 

[Meatbuster]

1200 - 1300:

Movement:
Moved Great Artist to Lahore and settle him there.

Technology:
Genghis Khan asks for Philosophy and I accept
Genghis Khan offers Music + gold for Paper and I accept
We research Philosophy. As of 1300AD, Liberalism is due in 2 turns.

Building:
In 1212, Angkor Wat was built in a far away land.

Delhi: University -> Aqueduct -> Settler* -> Courthouse -> Christian Monastery (for science bonus)
Bombay: Aqueduct -> University -> Market
Madras: Trebuchet -> Hindu Missionary
Bangalore: Hindu Monastery -> University
Calcutta: Granary -> Courthouse
Shangian: Lighthouse -> Granary

Religion:
Leptis, a city in Carthage sees the light of Hinduism
Karachi, our new city, gets Hindu... for free

As of 1300AD, we have a Caravel with a Missionary on the way to Carthage. We also have a Caravel on the way back to Old Sarai/Bangalore to pick up a fresh Missionary. I haven't build a new Missionary yet, consider one in Delhi.

Land:
Mansa's on the way to steal some prime land so I PANIC!


Build a settler in Bangalore for 2 turns, and I settle Karachi to grab Cows and the hill.


Now Mansa's boat is on the way to... where is it going? I have no idea.


NOTE: If Genghis' city of Old Sarai has a cultural expansion, we may be able to reach the island with the sheep and iron via a Galley. Of course, I don't know when that cultural expansion will occur...

 

[karr1255]

If Islam has been founded already I think settling him in Delhi might be good. Or build a 2nd shrine and start spreading that religion(Christianity?) too. If we still run org. religion this might be more lucrative in the long run.
But I would use him now. Past divine right great prophets become useless for lightbulbing.

 

[Meatbuster]

I don't think we got a GP-powered Golden Age yet, howver. I would run extra other specialists in Delhi if so to "combat" the Great Prophet chances.

 

[Scowler]

Got it for either very late tonite or tomorrow.

 

[Scowler]

(0) 1300AD
- As Hannibal is willing to trade maps I do so to reveal his lands...

(1) 1310AD
- Delhi: Christian monastery -> Hindu miss

(2) 1320AD
- Liberalism -> Divine Right, picking Astro on the way:

- Great Prophet is lightbulbed: DR now in 3
- Trade spare Dye to Hannibal for 7gpt
- Trade spare Wine to Ramesses for 9gpt

(3) 1330AD
- Delhi: Hindu miss -> Hindu miss
- Madras: Uni -> Galleon
- Bangalore: Uni -> Galleon
- Miss is loaded onto caravel and sent Carthagewards
- Meanwhile in Hannibal-land, Hindu is spread in Hadrumetum, but fails in Hippo
- Trade spare Cow to Hannibal for Deer

(4) 1340AD
- Divine Right -> Gunpowder
- Delhi: Hindu miss -> Spiral Minaret (due in 6)
- Trade spare Gold to Genghis for 5gpt

(5) 1350AD
- Bombay: Market -> Settler (intended for SE island)
- Lahore: Lib -> Uni
- Great Scientist born in Delhi so I use him to build an Academy in the city
- I notice that the research boost will allow me to research Drama in 1 turn, so I do a quick switch
- Granary whipped at Shangian

(6) 1360AD
- Drama done; switch back to Gunpowder
- Lahore is changed to Theatre to help with cultural pressure
- Genghis adopts Theocracy
- I make the following trade with him, which shaves a turn off Gunpowder:

(7) 1370AD


(8) 1380AD


(9) 1390AD
- Gunpowder -> Chemistry
- Whip Theatre in Lahore
- Whip Galleon at Bangalore
- The Spiral M is due next turn so I look around to see if I can palm DR off on anybody. I nearly make a deal with Genghis, but then notice that he has a spare Great Engineer hanging round. I don't know whether this would allow him to beat us to the Minaret but I decide not to take the risk

(10) 1400AD

- Delhi: Spiral Minaret -> Hindu miss
- Bombay: Settler -> Observatory
- Madras: Galleon -> Courthouse
- Bangalore: Galleon -> Forge
- Karachi: Granary -> Lighthouse
- Lahore: Theatre -> Uni
- With the Minaret out of the way, I can safely make my deal with Genghis:

A galleon containing a settler, worker, and longbow has been launched towards the SE island:

One of our caravels noticed some activity going on further south - this also explains where Mansa's settler went. I guess we'll want some missionaries down there too:

We are now ahead in tech and we still have monopolies on Astronomy and Gunpowder:

Trade and Diplomacy:

Save​

 

[Meatbuster]

Hindus versus Jews. Who will win?
Looks like we may be able to convert Hannibal and Izzy. Izzy will probably turn on Rameses if we do enough religious convincing hehe!

 

[pholkhero]

Yes, we want to aim to make everyone hate Ramesses. Perhaps a late game dogpile might be a good thing to get everyone's boni up and onto our side Howeevr, HC will serve as another person to keep the war bonus going against once people start to make peace with Ramesses. We should perhaps head now right towards Mass Media for the UN while we spread more of that ol' time religion around!!

Pholkhero >> on deck
Karr1255 >>
Robo Kai >>
Scowler >> just played
Xerol >> UP NOW

 

[Meatbuster]

Beeline Mass Media now? Great, although I still feel a bit insecure with Genghis and HC with us. I'd love to have at least Grenadiers first.
EDIT: We're almost to Chemistry, great!

 

[Xerol]

Will play tomorrow after work.

Basically, if we can get the religion in every city of an AI, they'll most likely spontaneously convert. Should we fail conversion, we might want to consider forcing Free Religion, then getting everyone to hate on the other candidate for other reasons.

 

[pholkhero]

i think free religion would be the death of any pure diplomatic win ~ we need these bonuses for most of the votes that go for us.

 

[Meatbuster]

We could use free religion to open borders if they hate us because of different faiths. Once they convert, we swtich back and enjoy.

 

[pholkhero]

we hope

 

[Xerol]

Skip me, I can't get singleplayer saves to load right now. Multiplayer's working FINE, but I get a CTD when trying to load a local save.

 

[pholkhero]

Hopefully everything will work out with that, and it looks like that puts me up again ~ I will download the save today, but I'm not sure when i'll be able to play (either tonight or tomorrow)

Pholkhero >> UP NOW
Karr1255 >> on deck
Robo Kai >>
Scowler >> just played
Xerol >> needs a skip

 

[pholkhero]

Okay, here's the report ya'll. First off, i took a look around our cities. @ Bangalore, i did some calculation. This could be a big hammer city, but we need about more farms here to be able to work everything.

As much as it might be painful, i would chose to farm over that southern desert FP, & that grass forest south too. I also think we need to chain irrigate over to that Plains forest there. Just an idea. I didn't do it so we could discuss.

A couple of turns later, Ramesses comes by for a trade:

I say sure, why not. A happy for a health? Not bad.

Then a few more turns later, I also use the whip at Lahore.

I started to farm most things here so that we could use the whip to get some culture in there. We're emph'ing food there for now.

I spotted a workshop north of Madras!

Huh? I cottaged over this thinking the commerce will be better in the long run than the hammers.

Pretty much nothing else happened until my last turn:

No, f- off! No begging!

Ramesses offers us OB, and I accept.

We may get a worst-enemy penalty, but then i thought we could wait for one of our friends to ask us to stop and grab a bonus with them!

And I suggest a further trade:

Then, war trumpets sound:

Ugh, more trouble on the island! I'm NOT too sure that Genghis is prepared for this war.

I further discover something unfortunate:

Notice we can't spread. Theocracy is in effect So, this makes it a bit tougher to grab a Diplo win. What should we do? I'm thinking conquer: vassallize MM or GK and conquer HC. To that end, i've started some grenadiers. HC is WAY behind and doesn't even have gunpowder yet! We could take him pretty quickly.

Roster:
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Karr1255 >> UP NOW
Robo Kai >> on deck
Scowler >>
Xerol >>

The Save

 

[pholkhero]

ugh ~ sorry about the wrong sizes

 

[Meatbuster]

I wonder if we can pay Hannibal to get out of Theocracy. And who will we support in the war? GK is more powerful so maybe conquering Mansa for votes will be faster than killing off GK for votes...

EDIT: Hannibal's favorite civic is Free Market! I think we can go for Economics immediately, we still have a chance to get the free merchant, since at this time only Rameses can research Economics.

 

[karr1255]

Got it - will play later or maybe tomorrow.

 

[pholkhero]

also, Hannie won't take anything to convert. The only thing he could convert to, Paganism, was redded out, iirc.