I'm claiming you cannot know the full extent of the combination because you've already limited yourself to not having the best possible start on purpose. You've got some self imposed rules that prevent you from doing so. Fine, like you said, it's SP, and you can do what you want with it.
You are still mistaken... we were clearly talking about whether Industrious was useful because you can get Stone/Marble. Anyone can go and verify that in seconds.
My point prior to your off-the-cuff attack was that you can't be guaranteed to get stone and marble in the game, but choosing industrious means you are guaranteed something towards wonder building - you pay, within game terms, to have that advantage by selecting that trait.
Cherry-picking maps to negate the statistical improbability of having both stone and marble definitely cannot be discussed in terms of how probable it is to have stone and marble.... why are you refusing to understand that?
No, you didn't. What you implied was that there was something wrong with "abusing mechanics." How is it abuse, if it's in the game?
I implied nothing of the sort, you are misreading it.
You said, "but cheating doesn't figure in to any discussion of strategies on a forum."
I really don't have to say much to something so blatant.
If I then go into the WB and add ALL resources to ALL my tiles across my part of the island and always do that.... are my comments on how to play the game valid for everyone else?
Of course not.
Except for the part where you called me a cheater.
Except that I didn't, which is why you couldn't quote it because I didn't.
Except you are not. We all know the industrious trait has other abilities. Plus, Industrious+Marble/Stone is better than just industrious, and just marble/stone.
Um... that was my point.
However, we were talking about the probability of getting stone and marble - you can go back to the posts preceding mine to verify.
Again, where does this rule exist? You seem to imply here, that cheating means, not regenerating the map for an optimal start. I could understand this as cheating, if it were a mod, and not a part of the actual game. However, map regeneration is a strategic play to better yourself from the beginning of the game. As a power gamer, and someone who wants a high score, I'm shocked when people don't regenerate the map for a better start. There are only two reasons why a person shouldn't regen a map, a multiplayer game, where I believe it's probably impossible. Or, for more of a challenge. Those reasons make sense.
You are once again mistakenly implying that I have something against this. You are ignoring what I actually said and reading something into it that I didn't say, then accusing me of having done that. It is a classic strawman. I never made any such comment, so stop repeating it.
Yes. You did. Proof is in the next quote...
Originally Posted by Spearthrower
I don't give a rat's hooter if you want to cheat, but at least accept that is what it is.
For a start, that
was not in the original post, that is extremely disingenous to start cross posting like that - that was from my
second post replying to you.
Secondly, saying "I dont care if you want to cheat" does not say "you are a cheater"......
Let's try it again with different words:
"I don't care if you like football"
Does that mean that you
like or
dislike football?
It says
neither.
More importantly, it most definitely does not say that you are a Football Hater... which is the wierd extension you have taken it to.
The fact is, you really said nothing with all those words on the page. You made a self righteous pose, indicating my strategy had no place in a strategy forum. Not to mention, you capped it off by calling it a means of cheating.
All what words? The 3 lines that I wrote which you misread and then jumped down my throat for? You are the one who needs to reread them and try to understand them from a non-paranoid angle.
Further, I didn't call you or it cheating - stop repeating lies.
What I'm saying now is, map regenerating is a superior strategy in single play. Not using regenerate map, when you're unsatisfied with your starting position is a 'scrub' philosophy. If you don't use it, you are not using all your resources to win in that particular environment. In an environment, where I am testing out an alleged broken trait combo, I want to break it to it's fullest. So clearly, map regeneration is the way to go if I want to play by the "so called" rules that the game has.
And where have you seen me state that you cannot do this? Can you show me ANY VALUE JUDGEMENT I have made on this? No, of course you cannot, because I didn't make any such statement. This is a totally separate argument that could be discussed, but don't make assumptions about what I would say when you haven't even asked me my opinion - you've just misread me then made a series of figmentary attacks on that falsely read position.
Further, you are most definitely twisting this now.... your initial post said that you would always regenerate a map to do that.... not "i am testing this idea"....
Disingenuity doesn't wash with me.
Persist with this and I will make up an angle from you and start calling you down on it.... two can play at that game.
To see where I am coming from, here is an article on gaming that COULD radically change your view of playing any sort of game.
http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm
Enjoy.
a) I have read that before years ago when it first came out - it was tosh then and it is tosh now.... which is an aside because:
b) My comments have
NOTHING to do with that article at all, so stop setting up strawmen against me.
c) If you believe this general principle of "well it's in the game", then WB is also part of the game, why not just pop in and use the WB to power your way to winning? Even if you did that - would I care? No. Did I say that I would care? No....
However, I am surprised that you cannot understand that modifying the game by external means, disrupting the natural statistical probability of resource placement, using WB to check if everything is just right for you, cherry picking your maps to such a degree means that your strategies are inconsistent with people playing the game under those rules.
Once more - go and read what "value judgement" means.... I never made any such judgement at all. You can do what you like ingame and it bothers me not......
.... but it does bother me a lot for you to repeatedly make accusations about me based not on fact, but on your misreading of 3 lines. Further, you have setup a series of strawmen to attack when they were nothing to do with my initial argument.
Finally, for the record... I tried sending L4zXX0r a PM to explain that I meant no harm or insult and that he had misread - ignored.
The actual facts are there for all to read.
We were talking about the probability of stone and marble being there every game and the effect that had on the Industrious trait.... cherry picking maps to ALWAYS have both clearly invalidates comments because you have removed the very factor we are discussing.
