Play by play: A go at Monarch

Another thing to try to avoid is moving your worker back and forth across a river unless their ending place after crossing the river has 1) use all of their movement anyway or 2)is on the unimproved tile you are going to be working.

Of course you can't always help crossing a river to do improvements, but planning your moves so you don't lose turns by crossing is helpful.

This of course applies to the early game before engineering is researched.

 

Here is my latest update. I'm close to the shift from BC to AD.

Turn-log inside: (warning 40 turns inside! )

Spoiler :

load game
Change build in Akade to worker
Change build in Bad-tibira to worker
Change build in Umma to worker
Change build in Erech (Desert Valley) to barracks

IBT
Masonry => Mathematics

Turn 81
Found Akshak in Desert Valley
Akshak => barracks
Lagash gets a scientist
MM Sumer for more fpt
Adjust sliders, Mathematics in 4 turns
Just remember upon diplomatic screen, Celts got fur and excess fur as well!

IBT
Ur Library => The Great Library

Turn 82
vEnkidu vs cWarrior, loss -1hp
Rush granary in Lagash for 60gp

IBT
Lagash granary => Library
Agade worker => barracks

Turn 83
Nothing important

IBT
Celtic warrior close to our border
Umma worker => worker

Turn 84
Adjust sliders, Mathematics in 1 turn +21gpt

IBT
Mathematics => Currency
Sumer library => courthouse

Turn 85
Nothing important

IBT
Brennus wants us out of his land, we apologize.

Turn 86
Nothing important

IBT
zzz

Turn 87
Spot a whale at far Easter coast, which hints at another island/continent.
Will risk a jump with curragh next turn(s)!

IBT
10 shields return to Kish.
Cultural expand in Sumer.

Turn 88
Spot land near whale, looks like a continent. I hope the curragh won't sink.
Spot barbarian camp in nomansland.
Bad-tibira gets a Scientist
Adjust slideres, Currency in 3 turns.

IBT
Isin enkidu => enkidu
Curragh sinks...

Turn 89
rEnkidu vs cWarrior, clean win 25gp from camp

IBT
Bad-tibira worker => barracks

Turn 90
Change build in Umma to galley. Rush galley for 84gp.
Adjust sliders, Currency in 1 turn -3gpt
(save)

IBT
Currency => Construction
Lagash library => settler
Umma galley => worker
Kish civil disorder..... ;(
Kish gets second scientist

Turn 91
Adjust slideres, Construction in 8 turns +7gpt
Rival check:
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Celts (Republic), 9 cities, peace, weak to, -Literature -Currency
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IBT
Brennus gives us the boot, we cave.

Turn 92
Umma gets a scientist
Switch all scientists to taxmen, adjust sliders, Construction in 6 turns
+3gpt

IBT
Road to iron done, we could build swordmen now!
See barbarian horseman die to Celtic warrior.
Kish granary => settler

Turn 93
Nothing important

IBT
Cultural expansion at Lagash
Our palace gets a set of stairs and a right wing.

Turn 94
Adjust sliders
Remove all taxmen but in Kish

IBT
rEnkidu vs cHorseman, win -1hp, promotes
vEnkidu vs cHorseman, clean win
10 shields returned to Bad-tibira

Turn 95
Spot ivory North of Ur, on the far Coast :/

IBT
Sumer courthouse => marketplace
Lagash settler => settler

Turn 96
Galley arrives in Isin and awaits 1 enkidu and 1 settler to pick up
Trade Currency for Polytheism +33gp

IBT
Brennus wants us out, we apologize.
rCurragh vs cGalley, loss -1
Umma worker => galley
The Celts are building the Temple of Artemis.

Turn 97
Nothing important

IBT
Erech (Desert Valley) barracks => archer

Turn 98
Spot barbarian camp near our border
Camp enkidu near ivory to check and get settler in.

IBT
We hit the Medival Age!
Isin (Desert Valley) enkidu => harbor
Our palace gets a left wing.
We get Monotheism for free.

Turn 99
Adjust sliders, Feudalism in 17 turns
Spot 2nd Ivory near Celtic land

IBT
zzz

Turn 100
rEnkidu vs cWarrior, loss -1hp
Rival check
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Celts (Republic), 11 cities, peace, weak to, -Literature -Construction
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Sell Literature for 37gp
(save & quit)

load game

IBT
Lagash settler => temple
Akshak (Desert Valley) barracks => archer

Turn 101
rEnkidu vs cWarrior, win -1hp
Adjust sliders, change taxmen to scientists, Feudalism in 13 turns -1gpt

IBT
Agade barracks => swordman

Turn 102
The Celts got 2 ivory resources near their land...

IBT
Brennus gives us the boot, we cave.
Bad-tibira barracks => swordman

Turn 103
rEnkidu vs cWarrior, loss -1hp

IBT
The Celts are building The Great Library

Turn 104
Found Zabalam (in the jungle)
Zabalam (in the jungle) => worker
rEnkidu vs cWarrior, win -1hp, promotes, 25gp from camp
Adjust sliders, set up scientist in Umma, Feudalism in 7 turns +4gpt

IBT
The Celts are building The Pyramids

Turn 105
Lucky!! The new continent got wines at the shore... And I got a settler.
Have to give Lagash a scientist

IBT
zzz

Turn 106
Find teal borders on new continent.
Have to give Sumer a scientist

IBT
zzz
Sumer marketplace => temple

Turn 107
Found Kissura (wineyard) on new continent
Discover horses right next door (one cultural expand)
Kissura => harbor
Contact Americans
Rival check:
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America (Despotism), 11 cities, peace, weak to,
-Philosophy -Literature -Construction
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Trade Philosophy to America for 34gp
Build embassy in Washington, size 2, The Pyramids in 112 turns
Adjust sliders, Feudalism in 3 turns +2gpt

IBT
Kish settler => worker
Erech (Desert Valley) archer => archer
Entremont (Celtic) completed The Oracle
Massive barbarian uprising near Kish!??

Turn 108
vArcher vs cWarrior, clean win
Trade Construction to Celts for 8gp +1gpt

IBT
Lincoln wants us out, we apologize

Turn 109
vArcher vs cWarrior, clean win
rEnkidu vs cHorseman, win -1hp
Adjust sliders, Feudalism next turn +14gpt
Scientist for Kish
Trade Monotheism to Celts for 15gp +2gpt

IBT
Feudalism => Chivalry
Lagash temple => courthouse
Umma galley => catapult
The Americans are building The Temple of Artemis
Ali Ibn Rabban (SGL) is born in Ur

Turn 110
vArcher vs cHorseman, win -1hp
rEnkidu vs cHorseman, win -1hp
rGalleon vs cGalleon, clean win
Contact the Hittites
Contact the Netherlands
Build embassy in Hattusas (Hittite), size 6,
The Temple of Artemis in 26 turns
Build embassy in Amsterdam, size 5, The Pyramids in 27 turns
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Celts (Republic), 11 cities, peace, weak to, -Feudalism
Hittites (Despotism), 9 cities, peace, weak to, -Literature
-The Republic -Monotheism -Feudalism
America (Despotism), 11 cities, peace, weak to, -Literature
-The Republic -Monotheism -Feudalism
Netherlands (Despotism), 10 cities, peace, weak to, -Literature
-Polytheism -Currency -The Republic -Construction
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(save)

IBT
massive barbarian movements around the globe
Akshak (Desert Valley) archer => granary

Turn 111
vArcher vs cHorseman, win -1hp
rEnkidu vs cHorseman, win -1hp

IBT
Kish worker => settler
Zakam (in the jungle) worker => worker

Turn 112
vArcher vs cHorseman, clean win
rEnkidu vs cHorseman, win -2hp
vEnkidu vs cWarrior, win -1hp
rGalleon vs cGalleon, clean win
Umma second scientist
Contact Persia
Rival check
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Persia (Anarchy), 9 cities, peace, weak to, +Engineering -Literature
-Monotheism -Feudalism
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Trade Literature and The Republic with Persians for Engineering
+207gp
Build embassy in Persian Persepolis, size 6, The Temple of Artemis
in 9999 turns

IBT
vEnkidu vs cHorseman, loss -1hp
Sumer temple => cathedral

Turn 113
vArcher vs cHorseman, clean win, 25gp from camp
Kish gets a scientist
Change production in Umma to temple
Trade Monotheism to Persia for 228gp
Trade Monotheism to Hittites for 33gp
Trade Monotheism to America for 7gp
Trade Engineering to Celts for 90gp +5gpt
Rush harbor in Kisurra (wineyard) for 212gp
Rush courthouse in Lagash for 204gp
Rush granary in

Turn 114
Nothing important

IBT
Lagash courthouse => marketplace
Kisurra (wineyard) harbor => worker

Turn 115
rEnkidu vs cWarrior, win -1hp, 25gp from camp

IBT
Cultural expansion in Sumer
Agade medieval infantry => archer

Turn 116
Nothing important

IBT
William wants us out, we apologize
Bad-tibira medieval infantry => medieval infantry

Turn 117
Upgrade vEnkidu to Pikeman for 60gp
Trade Feudalism to Celts for Monarchy +72gp +3gpt

IBT
Cultural expansion in Lagash
Erech (Desert Valley) archer => archer
The Persians are building The Great Library

Turn 118
rGalleon vs cGalleon, clean win, promotes
Second scientist in Kish
Rush harbor in Isin (Desert Valley)

IBT
Celts demand 27gp, we cave
Chivalry => Theology
The Great Library is finished in Ur!
Ur TGL => temple
Isin (Desert Valley) harbor => galley
The Celts are building Sun Tzu's Art of War

Turn 119
Bad-tibira gets a scientist
chop forest near Sumer

IBT
Lincoln wants us out, we apologize
Zabalam (in the jungle) worker => granary
The Celts are building The Hanging Gardens

Turn 120
rEnkidu vs cWarrior, win -2hp
Switch Agade to worker
(save & quit)

Finally I found every other rival. They are the Americans, the Dutch, the Hittite and the Persian (as well as good old Brennus of the Celts).

The tech-pace is crawling. I'm in a slight lead before the Celts and Persian and we outpace the other three by far. The Great Library will not have any effect, unless Brennus and Xerxes take the lower branch, while I go for Democracy.

I still have my SGL and I'm not sure for what to use him:
a) Sistine's? Well I will have three cathedrals at max by then.
b) Sun Tzu's? Well I wanted to go conquest, but at the moment it will not have that big an effect.
c) The Hanging Gardens? Would be nice, I could release Entertainment costs. But I could also hook up the wines (soon...) and get the ivory due North near Celtic land.
d) Templars? Would be nice to wage war with Brennus. I got 3-4 barracks now pumping (slow) veteran units.
e) The FP? Would like to have it in the East/NE territory to boost productivity.

Your input would be much appreciated.

 

I'd recommend

f) The Pyramids in Zabalam, and sell all your granaries.

You could also go:

g) The Great Lighthouse so you might trade earlier with your wines city and the other continent.

If you can pull off the Republic slingshot, don't build the Great Library. I don't know why you had stopped settler and worker production from cities where you built granaries. Generally speaking it works out well to put out settlers and workers from cities with granaries. I would settle on that hill nearest the coast up north of Ur, as well as clearing marsh squares so that you can found cities up there. In other spots you have tiles within your cultural borders that you can't use, because you don't have cities near there, such as the hill southwest of Ur, and west of Ur also. You have a lot of open tiles in the south where I would put cities also. A settler bought from Agade this very turn (instead of a worker) can also help you to plant up near those horses sooner. You have a lot of good tiles in terms of production near Ur which you could use if you had more cities in the spots I've mentioned (even more so once cleared in one case).

In general, I wouldn't recommend worrying about infrastructure all that much, other than some granaries and possibly barracks if you really fear an AI (the Celts lie FAR too far away to worry about them, in my opinion), until you've settled all the tiles that you can, and you have plenty of workers. On this map, 15 workers for 12 cities isn't even close to enough. You need a lot more to clear the marsh and jungle that you can use. Also, when you have a city hit size 12 like that of Ur or Sumer, you don't want it to have extra food in the box for long. Mine or forest tiles so that you can maximize the number of shields you pump out of that city.

I'd swap Sumer to the Forbidden Palace, and NOT chop that forest near it. Instead mine a tile near it so you might get the Forbidden Palace in faster. You might also want to take the luxury slider higher even to say 60% so your citizens can work more tiles. You have the Great Library and so much potential territory that researching later on whenever you want to shouldn't pose much of a problem at all. You don't need courthouses in cities like Sumer. In other words, in core cities you rarely, if ever, can profit enough from a courthouse.

Temples and cathedrals might come as advisable on this map, but you really can use so many workers and settlers to settle and develop so much more territory that seems far away to me. You said this

I also feel frustrated with no luxuries in sight. But, jungles and marshes don't frustrate me in general (unless playing for a fast domination/conquest game), because 1. they consist of uncleared grassland. Once you clear them, you have rather powerful tiles. 2. Jungles like this usually hide coal, so you almost surely won't have a problem getting coal in the industrial age. 3. Marshes usually hide oil if you get into a real pinch. 4. The AIs generally don't even try and settle near jungles and marshes. 5. You can clear those tiles in general far more effectively than the AIs since you can put out more workers to clear them than the AIs ever will (using stacks of workers on unroaded squares in this case can work out very well).

Don't bother researching to Democracy. Going Monotheism-Theology-Education-Banking/Astronomy before going on the lower path often works out well, since the AIs generally prefer the lower path, and thus you can get to techs first and trade for the AIs techs and possibly luxuries (not here for a while). But, revolting to Democracy from a Republic doesn't make sense unless you play as religious (and it might not even then).

Again, you really can use A LOT more workers and settlers on this map.

 

That only happens if you have 2 industrious workers (pre Replaceable Parts) stacked on one flatland tile, and they both build the road. This doesn't factor in how much time you've spent in moving those workers to that tile.

I think I agree that in most games "you do not need to lose a lot of sleep over lost turns going from a tile you just worked to another tile to work, as long as you get there that turn." as you put it VMXA, given that you have a fair amount of workers in the first place. Not having enough workers comes as a serious drawback, while not optimizing worker turns comes on an entirely different level and seems minor in comparison at least. I think I also agree with the rest of the post.

That said, I would NOT recommend one start a game planning to stack them. I'd recommend that one start a game planning to use only one worker per road on a flatland tile as much as one reasonably can do so. Game situation will often dictate a better play otherwise absolutely, like roading to a neighbor so you might trade for their extra luxury source, to clear marsh or jungle in a situation like this possibly, or for a war.

 

How would everyone else having this much marsh and jungle around on a map like this?

To me with this much marsh and jungle, the game seems more easily played for a spaceship launch with clearing it all, especially with the AIs so far away. But, would you want to do this playing for conquest/domination since that would imply probably more wars later on, or would you more seek to clear less of it, and just try to overwhelm the AIs earlier? Or do rails and more workers counterbalance going to war later on for say an "average" player? Does anyone know of any similar situation in a COTM competition to see what different players did with a start like this?

 

Thanks Spoonwood for that wall of text. It's really helpful.

Sounds reasonable. With the SGL The Pyramids will be up very fast. I just hope the AI still goes slow on building wonders and don't pop The Pyramids next turn...

This piece is special to me. I usually am allergic to jungle and marsh tiles and hate to consider settling them. But I will try and pump out more workers from my satellite cities and settlers from Ur, Sumer and Lagash (they build fastest).

Currently my workforce is working night and day to erase the jungles near Sumer/Lagash (which is almost done).

I will try this and see the effect for myself. I mean, I usually build the FP farther away from my capital than just two tiles.

Thanks for asking this. I hope other more experienced players than I will provide some answers. For me it's a first to play this kind of map.

 

Oh I forgot to address the victory conditions. Initially it was supposed to be Conquest, but I didn't wage a single war so far. Meh... At the moment I think about Diplomatic or Spacerace. But maybe (with more cities on my continent and use of all the good tiles) I can still start massing an army and steamroll those pesky rivals.

 

Just played a couple of turns. Jungle is 60% gone, marsh next. My core is strong and I hit a Golden Age. Pumping a lot of military at the moment and then... The Celts declared on me and are now throwing archers only at my MID, pikemen and archers. Have two galleons ready with 1MID 1settler each and will go in the offense in their territory.

Hope to give you an update this evening, or tomorrow evening. It depends.

[Edit:]
Only problem is, I can't use my trebuchets, because of the hills and mountains.

 

An SGL will build the pyramids immediately, which I assume triggered your Golden Age

 

Ah, OK! The GA helped me a lot. I capture my first Celtic city and am pushing Celtic archers around left and right. I think I aim for the long haul and destroy Brennus outright. After that the continent is nearly 100% mine, apart from some pesky colonies (cities) from the Netherlands and Persia (but hey Conquest right ahead ).

 

Just a clarification - if you use the SGL it will reduce the build time of the Pyramids to 1 turn. You do not receive it the turn you use the SGL. You will receive it on the following turn.

However, because of the game mechanics, the wonder will build before the AI's production takes effect. Long story short, if you only have 1 turn left on a wonder build you will build it regardless* of what the AI does, build wise. The human gets the better end of this deal.

*Of course the AI could seize or raze the city. Or it could flip. In addition, invasions by the AI may steal away/pillage shield producing tiles and pollution may do the same and cause your build to go an additional turn. But unless your build margin is razor thin (nice micromanging ) this is rarely ever a factor. It is also a non-issue with SGLs as the SGL fills the production box to 100% of the needed shields.

And, lastly, city riots. If the shield box is not full then this will delay you. If you use a SGL, however, IIRC because the shield box is 100% full the wonder would produce regardless.

 

Once you have roads on those mountains, your trebuchets (and cannons and other units with similar restrictions) can cross over those squares. Actually, can't trebuchets cross hills, but not mountains and jungles without roads? Stacking workers on unroaded mountains to build roads faster so that you can move your artillery units to the war front earlier, I think, does make sense.

 

I was thinking about shipping them in once I established a coastal city on the other site of the mountain range. I got a strong fleet and want my mass of workers rather to cut down those jungles and marshes.

 

Oh, don't worry.

If they won't bring war to you, just take the war to them.

They'll understand.

 

Oh, at the moment Brennus is bleeding for is disrespect.

So here is an update!

Turn-log inside: (Warning! 30 turns )

Spoiler :

load game
Rival check:
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Celts (Republic), 13 cities, peace, weak to, -Chivalry
Hittites (Despotism), 9 cities, peace, average to, -Literature
-The Republic -Monarchy -Feudalism -Engineering
America (Despotism), 12 cities, peace, average to, -Literature
-The Republic -Monarchy -Feudalism -Engineering
Netherlands (Despotism), 10 cities, peace, average to, -Literature
-Polytheism -Currency -The Republic
Persia (Republic), 10 cities, peace, average to, -Monarchy
-Feudalism
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Change Zabalam (in the jungle) to The Pyramids
Use SGL to rush The Pyramids
Change Ur to settler
Change Sumer to Forbidden Palace
Change Umma to worker
Change Akshak (Desert Valley) to worker
Change Isin (Desert Valley) to worker
Adjust sliders, Theology in 14 turns +9gpt
3 scientists left in Umma (1) and Kish (2), but both produce worker/
settler and reset.
Set reserach path to Theology => Education => Astronomy

IBT
Umma worker => worker
MM Umma
Agade worker => medieval infantry
Akshak (Desert valley) worker => archer
The Pyramids are finished in our land! Rejoice.
Sumeria enters a Golden Age.
Zabalam (in the jungle) The Pyramids => worker
The Celts are building The Hanging Gardens
(fill in lots of AI wonder production change messages)

Turn 121
vArcher vs cWarrior, win -1hp
Upgrade eEnkidu to Pikeman for 60gp
Adjust sliders, Theology in 8 turns
Sell Monarchy to Persian for 24gp
Sell all my granaries (4) for 15gp ea

IBT
Ur settler => marketplace
Kish settler => settler
Civil disorder in Kisurra (wineyard). *darn*
Amsterdam (Dutch) finishes The Great Wall

Turn 122
Stop worker who chops forest near Sumer
Umma gets a Taxman

IBT
Erech (Desert Valley) archer => medieval infantry
Isin (Desert Valley) worker => galley
Cultural expansion at Zabalam (in the jungle)

Turn 123
vPikeman vs cWarrior, win -1hp, 25gp from camp
Found Der on hill SW of Ur
Der => harbor
Warn Lincoln to remove his troops from our land, he apologizes

IBT
Lagash marketplace => worker
Umma worker => worker

Turn 124
Found Kua (Desert Hills) close to Desert Valley
Kua (Desert Hills) => galley
MM Der and Ur for better fpt/spt in Der

IBT
Persian swordmen comes to our wineyard..
Lagash worker => settler

Turn 125
rEnkidu vs cWarrior, clean win, 25gp from camp
rGalley vs cGalley, clean win
(Time to be a good friend to my rivals
Gift The Republic for 11gp to America
Gift The Republic for 33gp to Hittites
Gift The Republic for 26gp to Netherlands

IBT
vMID vs cWarrior, win -1hp
Akshak (Desert Valley) archer => medieval infantry
Kisurra (wineyard) worker => worker

Turn 126
vArcher vs cWarrior, win -1hp
vArcher vs cWarrior, clean win, 25gp from camp
rEnkidu vs cHorseman, win -1hp
Found Marad (horse ranch) cxc of Kissura (wineyard)
Marad (horse ranch) => worker

IBT
Ur marketplace => settler
Lagash settler => worker
Bad-tibira MID => trebuchet
Zabalam (in the jungle) worker => harbor

Turn 127
Nothing important

IBT
road to wines done (need Astronomy asap...)
We build the Forbidden Palace in Sumer
Sumer FP => settler
We love the King Day in Lagash
Lagash worker => settler
Umma worker => worker
Kish settler => worker

Turn 128
vMID vs cHorseman, clean win
Gift Literature to Hittites for 29gp

IBT
rEnkidu vs cWarrior, loss -1hp
Theology => Education
Ur settler => settler
Agade MID => MID

Turn 129
Nothing important

IBT
A lot of Celtic archers come close to our main land
Sumer settler => settler
Kish worker => temple
Isin galley => galley
Entremont (Celts) builds The Mausoleum of Mausollos

Turn 130
Found Kuara close to Ur
Kuara => harbor
Rival check:
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Celts (Republic), 14 cities, peace, average to, -Theology -Chivalry
Hittites (Republic), 11 cities, peace, average to, -Monarchy
-Feudalism -Engineering -Theology
America (Republic), 12 cities, peace, average to, --Feudalism
-Engineering -Theology
Netherlands (Republic), 11 cities, peace, strong to, -Literature
-Polytheism -Currency
Persia (Republic), 10 cities, peace, strong to, -Feudalism
-Theology
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(save & exit)

(load game)
IBT
Ur settler => barracks
Lagash settler => settler
Umma worker => harbor
Erech (Desert Valley) MID => trebuchet
Akshak (Desert Valley) MID => MID
Volcano in Celtic land erupted *gnihihi *

Turn 131
Warn William to get out, he apologizes.
Adjust sliders, Education in 12 turns -9gpt

IBT
Sumer settler => barracks
Bad-tibira trebuchet => MID
Our palace's front is paved now.

Turn 132
Nothing important

IBT
Ur barracks => MID

Turn 133
vMID vs cWarrior, clean win, promotes

IBT
Mursilis wants us out, we apologize
Lagash settler => barracks

Turn 134
Found Kutha (in the jungle)
Kutha (in the jungle) => barracks
Found Nagsu (horse ranch) on small island with horse
Nagsu (horse ranch) => harbor
vMID vs cWarrior, win -3hp, 25gp from camp
We gift Monarchy to Hittites for 29gp
(save & exit)

(load game)
IBT
Ur MID => MID
Sumer barracks => MID
Kua (Desert Hills) galley => harbor
Celts lose a town because of volcano

Turn 135
Found Susa (The Rock) in near my natural mountain borders
Susa (The Rock) => Enkidu

IBT
Celts in our land...
Agade MID => MID
Erech (Desert Valley) Trebuchet => MID
Isin (Desert Valley) galleon => worker
Akshak (Desert Valley) MID => MID
Kisurra (wineyard) worker => enkidu
Marad (horse ranch) worker => enkidu

Turn 136
Ask Brennus to leave, he apologizes... *whew*
Found Tutub (near the swamp)
Tutub (near the swamp) => worker

IBT
Xerxes wants us out, we apologize
Mursilis gives us the boot, we cave
The Celts declared war on us!!!
vPikeman vs rArcher, win -3hp
vArcher vs rArcher, win -2hp, promotes
vArcher vs rArcher, clean win
vArcher vs rArcher, win -1hp
Ur MID => MID
Sumer MID => MID
Our main palace gets a 2nd floor
Hattusas (Hittites) has build The Temple of Artemis
Persepolis (Persia) has build The Hanging Gardens

Turn 137
(save)
Found Kutallu (golden hill)
Kutallu (golden hill) worker
vMID vs rArcher, clean win, promotes

IBT
See only Celtic archers coming my way. Duh!
Lagash barracks => MID
Isin (Deser Valley) worker => galley

Turn 138
Tell Xerxes to get out, he apologizes
(save & quit NOTE: all ready to go!!!)

(load game)
IBT
Lincoln wants us out, we apologize.
Ur MID => MID
Sumer MID => pikeman
Der harbor => worker

Turn 139
eMID vs rArcher, clean win
rEnkidu vs rArcher, clean win
vArcher vs rArcher, clean win

IBT
Mursilis wants us out, we apologize.
Kish temple => courthouse
Bad-tibira MID => MID
Susa (The Rock) enkidu => worker
Akshak MID => MID

Turn 140
eMID vs rArcher, win -1hp
vArcher vs rArcher, win -2hp, promotes
vMID vs rArcher, win -1hp
vPikeman vs rArcher, win -3hp
(save)
Rival check:
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Celts (Republic), 14 cities?, war, strong to, -Theology? -Chivalry?
Hittites (Republic), 11 cities, peace, strong to, -Theology
-Chivalry
America (Republic), 12 cities, peace, strong to, -Feudalism
-Engineering -Theology
Netherlands (Republic), 12 cities, peace, strong to, -Monarchy
-Monotheism -Feudalism -Engineering
Persia (Republic), 10 cities, peace, strong to, -Theology -Chivalry
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Tell Xerxes to get out, he apologizes.

IBT
vPikeman vs rArcher, loss -1hp
Golden Age has enden.
Ur MID => MID
Sumer Pikeman => Pikeman
Lagash MID => MID
Civil disorder in Umma, MM second scientist...
Zabalam harbor => galley

Turn 141
Adjust sliders, Education in 1 +17gpt
vMID vs rArcher, clean win
vMID vs rSpearman, win -1hp
vMID vs rSpearman, clean win
Trade Theology to Persia for 60gp +38gpt
Gift Theology to Hittites for 2gp
Gift Theology to America for 7gp

IBT
Education => Astronomy
Great Library obsolete
Isin (Desert Valley) galley => barracks

Turn 142
Adjust sliders, Astronomy in 14 turns -5gpt
vMID vs rArcher, win -1hp
vMID vs rArcher, win -2hp, promotes => we capture Agedicum, 2 slaves
We abandon Agedicum
Brennus will speak, but offers no cities. More war it is.
Send William words to "get out", he apologizes

IBT
rEnkidu vs rArcher, loss -1hp
eMID vs rArcher, loss -1hp
Der worker => worker

Turn 143
vMID vs rArcher, clean win, promotes
(save & quit Note: Check Diplo and F1!!!)

(load game)
Tell William to get out, he apologizes
Tell Xerxes to get out, he apologizes

IBT
Ur MID => MID
Sumer pikeman => MID
Kish cultural expansion
Agade MID => MID
Erech (Desert Valley) MID => MID

Turn 144
Found Anshan (Celtic front) in place of Agedicum
Anshan (Celtic front) => harbor
vMID vs rArcher, win -1hp
vMID vs rArcher, clean win
rGalley vs rGalley, clean win
Interestingly enough Brennus knows Invention. Won't trade. Will make him!!

IBT
Lincoln gives us the boot, we cave.
Mursilis gives us the boot, we cave.
vMID vs vArcher, clean loss
rEnkidu vs rArcher, loss -1hp
vMID vs vArcher, win -2hp, promotes
Lose three workers in Kisurra to barbarians, damn Musilis... I want blood
for that soon!
Cultural expand in Zabalam (in the jungle)

Turn 145
vMID vs cWarrior, clean win
eArcher vs rArcher, win -2hp, GL!
vArcher vs vArcher, clean win
Tell Xerxes to get lost, he apologizes

IBT
vArcher vs rArcher, win -3hp, promotes
Lagash MID => MID
Akshak (Desert Valley) MID => archer
Kisurra (wineyard) enkidu => worker
Marad (horse ranch) enkidu => worker
Tutub (near the swamp) worker => worker

Turn 146
eArcher vs vArcher, win -1hp
Tell Xerxes to budge, he apologizes

IBT
Oho! I see a Celtic longbow (seems like no iron after all )
Ur MID => archer
Kutallu (golden hill) worker => worker
Alesia (Celtic) completed The Great Lighthouse (mine soon!)

Turn 147
eMID vs vLongbow, clean win
vArcher vs rArcher, win -2hp
Form our first proud Sumerian army! Fill it with 3 MID!
eMID vs rLongbow, win -2hp, GL!
rEnkidu vs rArcher, loss -1hp
vMID vs cWarrior, clean win, 25gp from camp
Brennus forces just die and he won't trade... well well

IBT
William wants us out, we apologize
Lincoln wants us out, we apologize
Ok, Brennus completely ignored my forces.
Barbarians near Anshan (Celtic front)
Sumer MID => archer
Susa (The Rock) worker => worker
Der worker => worker

Turn 148
vMID vs rWarrior, win -1hp
eMID vs rArcher, clean win
vArcher vs vArcher, win -3hp, promotes
eMID vs rArcher, win -1hp
vArcher vs rArcher, clean win, promotes
Trade Chivalry for Invention with Persia

IBT
eArcher vs rArcher, loss -1hp
vMID vs rLongbow, loss -2hp

Turn 149
eArcher vs rLongbow, win -3hp
Pillage tile at Gergovia
Adjust sliders, Astronomy in 9 turns -12gpt
Kish gets a taxman
Umma has to get a clown and will starve no matter how much I use the
sliders, they won't change
Change Umma to temple and rush it for 46gp...
Kua (Desert hill) gets a scientist
Change Kua (Desert hill) to temple
Bad-tibira gets a scientist and will starve
Change Bad-tibira to temple and rush it for 132gp...
Sell Education to Persia for 10gp +34gpt

IBT
vMID vs rLongbow, loss -1hp
vMID vs rLongbow, loss -1hp, promotes.. ;(
Ur longbow => longbow
Lagash MID => longbow
Umma temple => harper, will keep clown.. ;(
Bad-tibira temple => pikeman
Isin (Desert valley) barracks => MID
Kua (Desert hills) temple => harbor
Volcano in American land erupted

Turn 150
Rival check:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Celts (Republic), 15 cities, war, strong to, -Education
Hittites (Republic), 11 cities, peace, strong to, -Chivalry -Invention
-Education
America (Republic), 12 cities, peace, strong to, -Engineering -Chivalry
-Education
Netherlands (Republic), 12 cities, peace, strong to, -Monotheism
-Feudalism -Engineering
Persia (Republic), 10 cities, peace, strong to
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(save & quit Note: Check F1! Units not moved! Kick Lincoln out or war. )

Long story short, I conquered one city so far... War is going slow, but steady.
Some interesting facts:
1. Brennus has no iron. He only throws archers and longbows at me.
2. Two GLs so far. One MID army is already en-route to the front, the other will form soon.
3. It was not just me who got f**ked over by the terrain. America, Netherlands and Hittites are knee-deep in jungle and surrounded by mountains as well.
4. Only Brennus and Xerxes got really lucky with terrain. I will be happy to conquer Celtic land and make it my own. We are the bor.... .... ah! Wrong text.

For those too lazy to read the log, here is some further info.

And I realized how long turns can get when you wage a war...

 

As the Celtic war is going well and I will have Brennus sacked within the next 10-20 turns I'm looking for excuses to get the war to the new frontier (a.k.a. the other continent). I'm no good with intercontinental wars and could need some advice here.

Here are a few information:
- Got a few galleons and am saving up for upgrades at the moment.
- Got two cities on the other continent (for wines and horses, which I got connected via sea trade thanks to astronomy and navigation).
- The land is hard rocks in the middle and tons of jungle to the NE and SE.
- The only two nations which look scary to me at the moment are the Americans (they are big) and Persia (they got Gunpowder and a lot of closed in fertile land to the NE of their continent).

Now two additional questions are:
1.) Do I start a new war now, while I fight Brennus? How should I do it?
2.) Do I sign in as many allies as possible to get them all to waste units?

 

A lot depends on how your cities are defended and how easy it is to send them more units. Do you have a ship chain set up to those new cities?

If the cities are well defended and they can be reinforced rather easily, then going to war over there and signing up allies into MAs is a good plan. If nothing else, you allies will bleed your target a bit while you finish up on the homeland. They fight and you watch.

Make sure the MAs are tied to gold per turn. Too often, if you give someone a tech for an MA, they'll do a half hearted job of the war; half-hearted even by AI standards. A few units will trudge to the front line, flex their muscles and then that AI makes peace with your target. They gain a tech and you gained nothing. Using gpt, resouces or, as a last resort, luxuries, will keep them at war longer, since even if they do nothing active they get paid. And an inactive ally is better than an active foe.

The longer they are at war with the target means that the target cannot trade with them for goodies. And that helps you.

Can you post a save?

 

@CommandoBob Ok! Thanks for the info. I have now killed the Celts and have a period where I want to relax (or rather I want to ship my army over ).

Here is the turn-log (BIG, 50 turns!!)

Spoiler :

(load game)
Tell Lincoln to move or die, he moves.

IBT
Akshak (Desser Valley) longbow => longbow
Zabalam (in the jungle) galley => settler

Turn 151
Form 2nd Army with MIDs
Adjust sliders, Astronomy in 4 turns -37gpt

IBT
Mursilis wants us out, we apologize
Sumer longbow => MID
Agade MID => MID
Kutha (in the jungle) barracks => pikeman

Turn 152
Get our armies in position and ship in 2 trebuchets (gotta produce more now)
Tell Lincoln to move or die (again), he moves.

IBT
Ur longbow => university
Der worker => settler

Turn 153
Army #1 and stack +trebuchets meet up. Ready to go! >;D
pillage roads

IBT
Lagash lonbow => university
Cultural expand at Umma
Cultural expand at Bad-tibira
Susa (The Rock) worker => worker
Erech (Desert Valley) MID => aqueduct
Cultural expand at Kua (Desert Hills)

Turn 154
Trebuchets 2/2
vMID vs rArcher, clean win
pillage roads

IBT
Lincoln gives us the boot, we cave
vMID vs rLongbow, win -2hp, promotes
Americans settle Detroit in OUR mountain range (that's a declaration of war
to me...)
Astronomy => Navigation
Now we got WINES finally connected!
Tutub (near swamp) worker => harbor

Turn 155
(20 turns alliances)
Adjust sliders, Navigation in 19 turns +23gpt
Change Erech (Desert Valley) to temple
Change Sumer to knight
Change Akshak (Desert Valley) to knight
Army #2 vs rLongbow, clean win
pillage roads
Disband enkidu in American land. Can't get it out..
Buy Hittites into war with Celts for Chivalry
Buy Persia into war with Celts for Astronomy, get 56gp
Gift Engineering to America for 18gp.
Trade Wines with Monotheism for Dyes from Netherlands

IBT
A ton of archers +longbows walk past my army #1 +stack
'Our people want to build the Heroic Epic!'
Civil disorder in Anshan (Celtic front), give them a scientist
Kisurra (wineyard) worker => caravel
Marad (horse ranch) worker => harbor
Our palace's right wing got a second floor
Volcano near Entremont (Celtic) is active

Turn 156
(19 turns alliances)
Army #2 vs rSpearman, win -3hp
Army #2 vs rSpearman, clean win, MID promotes
eMID vs rSpearman, win -4hp
(longbow left, but leave it to take town with Army #2 and secure)
eArcher vs vLongbow, clean win
vMID vs rLongbow, clean win
vMID vs rLongbow, win -3hp
Gift Engineering to America for 20gp

IBT
Zabalam (in the jungle) settler => library
Kutallu (golden hill) worker => worker

Turn 157
(18 turns alliances)
vLongbow vs rArcher, win -2hp
vMID vs vLongbow, win -1hp
eMID vs rSpearman, loss -1hp
eArcher vs rSpearman, win -1hp
Army #2 vs rArcher, clean win, we take Alesia +0gp +The Great Lighthouse
vGalleon vs rGalleon, win -2hp
Trade Education to Hittites for Spices +2gpt
Gift Education to America for 21gp
Gift Engineering to Netherlands for 2gp
I decide to abandon Alesia, for safety reasons.

IBT
eArcher vs rLongbow, loss -1hp, promotes
Sumer knight => university
Bad-tibira pikeman => longbow
Isin (Desert Valley) MID => MID

Turn 158
(17 turns alliances)
Army #2 vs vLongbow, clean win

IBT
Brennus wants peace. I tell him to get lose.
I see Xerxes losing an archer and settler to Brennus...
Ur university => Copernicus's Observatory
Susa (The Rock) worker => barracks
Volcano at Entremont erupted. *gnihihi *

Turn 159
(16 turns alliances)
Found Babil (Celtic front) cxxc N of Anshan (Celtic front)
Babil (Celtic front) => walls
Siege of Lindum:
Trebuchets 1/2
vMID vs rSpearman, win -1hp
vMID vs rSpearman, win -2hp
vMID vs rLongbow, win -1hp, capture Lindum, 1gp
Abandon Lindum
vArcher vs cWarrior, clean win, promotes, 25gp from camp
Capture to slaves (Persian)
Rush harbor in Anshan (Celtic front) for 184

IBT
Army #2 vs vLongbow, win -1hp
Agada MID => settler
Akshak (Desert Valley) Knight => Knight
Anshan (Celtic front) harbor => walls

Turn 160
(15 turns alliances)
Army #2 vs rLongbow, win -1hp
Adjust sliders, Navigation in 9 turns
Nagsu gets a scientist
(save)
Rival check:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Celts (Republic), 13 cities, war, strong to, -Education
Hittites (Republic), 11 cities, peace, strong to, -Astronomy
America (Republic), 13 cities, peace, strong to, -Chivalry -Invention
-Astronomy
Netherlands (Republic), 12 cities, peace, strong to, -Theology -Chivalry
-Invention
Persia (Republic), 10 cities, peace, strong to
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

IBT
vPikeman vs rLongbow, win -3hp
VPikeman vs rLongbow, loss -1hp
A ton of aqueduct messages pop up...
Kutha (in the jungle) pikeman => settler

Turn 161
(14 turns alliances)
Found Apisala (elefant farm) on Celtic side of continent near ivory
Apisala (elefant farm) => walls
War weariness sets in 23% in UR
Adjust sliders, Navigation in 15 turns +9gpt

IBT
Kish courthouse => settler
Kua harbor => settler
Kuara harbor => settler

Turn 162
(13 turns alliances)
Sell Astronomy to Hittites for 23gp +11gpt
Adjust slideres, Navigation in 10 turns -3gpt

IBT
Der settler => library

Turn 163
(12 turns alliances)
eArcher vs rLongbow, clean win

IBT
Xerxes wants us out, we apologize
vMID vs rLongbow, win -1hp
Lagash university => knight
Zabalam (in the jungle) library => marketplace

Turn 164
(11 turns alliances, Dyes in 10 turns , Spices in 12 turns)
eArcher vs rLongbow, loss -2hp, promotes
Trebuchet 2/2
eMID vs rArcher, win -3hp
Army #2 vs vLongbow, clean win

IBT
eMID vs rLongbow, loss -2hp

Turn 165
(10 turns alliances, Dyes in 10 turns , Spices in 12 turns)
Nothing important

IBT
Lots of Celtic moves, no attack.
Sumer University => Knight
Agade settler => settler
Isin (Desert Valley) MID => settler

Turn 166
(9 turns alliances, Dyes in 9 turns , Spices in 11 turns)
Barbarians right next to one of my workers in the mountains.
---
Siege of Ratae Coritanorum:
vMID vs vSpearman, clean loss
vKnight vs vSpearman, loss -1hp, promotes
vMID vs eSpearman, loss -2hp
vLongbow vs rSpearman, win -3hp
vLongbow vs eSpearman, clean win, capture Ratae Coritanorum +0gp
Abandon Ratae Coritanorum
---
Siege of Gergovia:
Trebuchets 1/2
Army #2 vs rSpearman, win -3hp
Army #2 vs rSpearman, win -2hp
vMID vs rSpearman, win -1hp
vMID vs rLongbow, win -2hp, capture Gergovia +3 slaves +0gp
Abandon Gergovia
---
Anshan (Celtic front) gets a scientist
(save & quit)

IBT
William wants us out, we apologize
vKnight vs cHorseman
Kutallu (golden hill) worker => worker
Our palace's left wing got a second floor.

Turn 167
(8 turns alliances, Dyes in 8 turns , Spices in 10 turns)
Trebuchets 2/2
vKnight vs cWarrior, win -1hp
eArcher vs rLongbow, clean win
Army #2 vs vLongbow, clean win
Army #1 vs vLongbow, win -3hp
Army #1 vs rLongbow, win -1hp, MID promotes
vMID vs rLongbow, win -2hp
vMID vs rLongbow, win -2hp

IBT
Kish settler => settler
Bad-tibira longbow => pikeman
Kua (Desert Hills) settler => settler
Kutha (in the jungle) settler => library
The Hague (Dutch) builds The Colossus

Turn 168
(7 turns alliances, Dyes in 7 turns , Spices in 9 turns)
rGalleon vs cGalleon, win -1hp
Trebuchets 2/2
eArcher vs vLongbow, win -3hp
eMID vs rLongbow, win -2hp
vMID vs rLongbow, win -1hp

IBT
Erech (Desert Valley) temple => pikeman
Akshak (Desert Valley) Knight => Knight

Turn 169
(6 turns alliances, Dyes in 6 turns , Spices in 8 turns)
Found Dabrum
Dabrum => walls
Army vs rLongbow, clean win

IBT
vMID vs rLongbow, loss -2hp, promotes
vMID vs cHorseman, clean win
vMID vs cWarrior, clean win, promotes
Navigation => Gunpowder
Lagash knight => knight

Turn 170
(5 turns alliances, Dyes in 5 turns , Spices in 7 turns)
eMID vs cWarrior, clean win
Trebuchets 2/2
Army vs vLongbow, clean win
Army vs rLongbow, clean win
Army #2 vs rLongbow, clean win
Oho, first hittite unit I see actually on our continent. And it's a settler with
guards...
Trade Worldmaps around
Sell Navigation to Xerxes for 70gp +46gpt
(save. Note: Think about stopping war with Brennus after alliances expire.)
Rival check:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Celts (Republic), 11 cities, war, strong to, -Astronomy
Hittites (Republic), 11 cities, peace, strong to, -Navigation
America (Republic), 13 cities, peace, strong to, -Astronomy
Netherlands (Republic), 12 cities, peace, strong to, -Theology -Invention
Persia (Republic), 10 cities, peace, strong to
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brennus would give me 60gp +39gpt for peace. (Keep in mind!!)
(Note: My strongest rivals now are the Americans. I think I buy in the others
for war later. But first I will finish Brennus of.)

IBT
Apisala (elefant farm) gets a scientist

Turn 171
(4 turns alliances, Dyes in 4 turns , Spices in 6 turns)
eMID vs rLongbow, win -2hp
eMID vs cHorseman, win -1hp, 25gp from camp
Science 0%, Gunpowder in 49 turns +88gpt

IBT
Sumer Knight => Knight
Isin (Desert Valley) settler => settler
Kuara settler => settler
Kutallu (golden hill) worke => worker

Turn 172
(3 turns alliances, Dyes in 3 turns , Spices in 5 turns)
Start to cut Entremont of off Celtic land (pillage).
Xerxes knows gunpowder and won't trade. (I think I have my new opponent
to wage for on the other continent once I'm done with Brennus. )

IBT
Cultural expand in Erech (Desert Valley)

Turn 173
(2 turns alliances, Dyes in 2 turns , Spices in 4 turns)
Army vs rLongbow, win -2hp
Kisurra (wineyards) gets a taxman
Uh! Xerxes will trade gunpowder for WM 378gp +24gpt. Not yet.

IBT
Xerxes wants me out, I apologize.
Xerxes loses a settler to Brennus.
Kish settler => settler
Agade settler => pikeman

Turn 174
(1 turns alliances, Dyes in 1 turns , Spices in 3 turns)
Found Erech
Erech => walls
vMID vs rLongbow, win -1hp, promotes
Found Isin
Isin => harbor

IBT
Celts and Persia signed a peace treaty.
Lagash knight => knight

Turn 175
(Spices in 3 turns)
Cancelled alliance with Hittites (accidentaly )
Found Akshak
Akshak => walls
---
Siege of Camulodunum
Trebuchets 2/2 (he got only 2 defenders +?archers)
vMID vs rSpearman, win -1hp
vMID vs rSpearman, clean win, capture Camulodunum +0gp
Abandon Camulodunum
---
Army vs rLongbow, clean win
Capture 2 slaves (former Persian)
vLongbow vs rLongbow, clean win
(save & exit Note: Diplo! Check F1!)

load game
Buy harbor in Nagsu (horse ranch) for 36gp

IBT
Dyes-deal with Netherlands end.
Lincoln wants to trade WM, I don't care.
Riots left and right, because of dyes. (next time raise sliders before trade
expires...)
Bad-tibira pikeman => longbow
Susa (The Rock) barracks => longbow
Erech (Desert Valley) pikeman => longbow
Zabalam (in the jungle) marketplace => temple
Kua (Desert hills) settler => caravel
Nagsu (horse ranch) harbor => caravel
Tutub (near the swamp) harbor => temple

Turn 176
(Spices in 2 turns)
Change Kisurra (wineyard) to settler
Give Kisurra (wineyard) a clown...
Change Anchan (Celtic front) to settler
Give Anchan (Celtic front) a clown...
Change taxman in Apisala (elefant farm) to scientist to keep min. science up
---
Siege of Burdigala:
vKnight vs rSpearman, win -1hp
vKnight vs rSpearman, loss -2hp, promotes
vLongbow vs vSpearman, clean win, capture Budigala +0gp +2 slaves
Abandon Budigala
---
vLongbow vs rLongbow, win -2hp
Entremont is completely cut off.
Army vs rLonbow, clean win
Trade wines +horses +WM +250gp for Gunpowder with Persia
Trade Navigation for WM +40gp with Hittites
Trade Astronomy for 40gp with America

IBT
Der library => marketplace
Lugdunum has build Sun Tzu's Art of War
We lost our supply of spices

Turn 177
Buy spices from Hittites for 237gp +5gpt
Army vs rLongbow, win -1hp
Rush Knight in Sumer for 72gp to oppose barbarians
eMID vs vLongbow, win -2hp
Trade Gunpowder to Hittites for WM 250gp +12gpt
Trade saltpeter to Persia for WM 30gp +10gpt
Gift William Theology for WM +4gp
Gift Lincoln Navigation for 12gp
Change all longbow and pikeman builds to musketmen
War weariness strikes again 37% in Ur. Harder elsewhere.
=> have to adjust sliders and do full clowns in three cities.
=> have to defeat Brennus a.s.a.p.

IBT
eMID vs rLonbow, win -2hp
Sumer Knight => Knight
Akshak (Desert Valley) knight => knight

Turn 178
Civil disorder in Dabrum => gets a taxman
Found Anshan
Anshan => worker
---
Siege of Richborough:
Army vs vSpearman, win -5hp

IBT
vPikeman vs vLongbow, loss -3hp
Babil (Celtic front) walls => settler
Isin (Desert Valley) settler => temple
Kutallu (golden hill) worker => woker
Barbarians capture one worker

Turn 179
(Spices 18 turns)
vMID vs vLongbow, clean win
---
Siege of Richborough:
Army vs vSpearman, clean win
Army vs rSpearman, -4hp, capture Richborough +0gp
Abandon Richborough
---
vKnight vs cWarrior, win -1hp
Army vs rLongbow, win -3hp
Found Kisurra
Kisurra => walls

IBT
Lagash knight => cathedral
Cultural expand in Der

Turn 180
(Spices 17 turns)
---
Siege of Lapurdum:
Trebuchets 2/2
vMID vs rSpearman, clean win
vMID vs rSpearman, win -1hp, capture Lapurdum +0gp
Abandon Lapurdum
---
Upgrade galley to caravel for 30gp
I tell William to get out, he apologizes.

IBT
eMID vs vLongbow, win -1hp
Umma harbor => marketplace
Kish settler => marketplace
Civil disorder in Dabrum... clown

Turn 181
(Spices 16 turns)
vKnight vs cWarrior, clean win, +25gp from camp
---
Siege of Tolosa:
vKnight vs rSpearman, win -1hp, promotes
vKnight vs rSpearman, win -2hp, capture Tolosa +0gp +2 slaves
Abandon Tolosa
---
Found Kua
Kua => walls
Change Apisala (elefant farm) to harbor
Rush harbor in Apisala (elefant farm) for 164gp
Tell William to get out, he apologizes
Hittites know Printing Press, but won't trade.
(save)
Rival check:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Celts (Republic), 6 cities, war, strong to
Hittites (Republic), 11 cities, peace, strong to, +Printing Press
America (Republic), 14 cities, peace, strong to
Netherlands (Republic), 12 cities, peace, strong to, -Education
Persia (Republic), 11 cities, peace, strong to
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

IBT
William wants us out, we apologize.
Zabalam (in the jungle) temple => university
Kuara settler => settler
Kutha library => settler
Apisala (elefant farm) harbor => caravel
Persian settler duos stream into former Celtic land

Turn 182
(Spices 15 turns)
vKnight vs vLongbow, win -1hp
Upgrade galleon to caravel for 30gp
Upgrade galleon to caravel for 30gp

IBT
William wants to trade WM, I don't care.
Ur build Copernicus' Observatory
Ur Copernicus' Observatory => trebuchet

Turn 183
(Spices 14 turns)
Nothing important

IBT
Lincoln wants us out, we apologize.
Hittites want to trade WM, I don't think so.
Barbarians in fromer Celtic land.
Sumer Knight => Knight
Gordium (Persian) finishes Knights Templar

Turn 184
(Spices 13 turns)
eLongbow vs cWarrior, clean win
---
Siege of Cataractonium:
Trebuchets 2/2
vMID vs rSpearman, clean win
vMID vs rSpearman, win -3hp, captures Cataractonium +0gp
Abandon city
---
Found Marad
Marad => harbor
Upgrade galleon to caravel for 30gp

IBT
Ur trebuchet => trebuchet
Cultural expand at Zabalam (in the jungle)
Kutallu (golden hill) worker => harbor

Turm 185
(Spices 12 turns)
vLongbow vs cWarrior, win -1hp, +25gp from camp
Found Kutha
Kutha => walls
Upgrade galleon to caravel

IBT
eMID vs vLongbow, loss -2hp
vMID vs cWarrior, clean win, promotes
Kua (Desert Hills) caravel => aqueduct

Turn 186
(Spices 11 turns)
Army vs vLongbow, win -1hp
Army vs vLongbow, clean win
Army #2 vs vLongbow, win -1hp
Give William the boot, he caves.

IBT
Ur trebuchet => trebuchet
Civil disorder in Babil (Celtic front)
Akshak (Desert Valley) knight => aqueduct
Kisurra (wineyard) settler => settler

Turn 187
(Spices 10 turns)
vKnight vs cWarrior, clean win
vPikeman vs cWarrior, win -1hp, 25gp from camp
vKnight vs vLongbow, clean win
vKnight vs vLongbow, clean win

IBT
Agade musketman => musketman
Erech (Desert Valley) musketman => aqueduct
Zabalam worker => settler

Turn 188
(Spices 9 turns)
Nothing important

IBT
Xerxes wants us out, we apologize.
Ur trebuchet => musketman
Sumer knight => knight
Cultural expand at Kish
Civil disorder at Kua
Bactra (Persian) finishes Magellan's Voyage

Turn 189
(Spices 8 turns)
vMID vs cWarrior, clean win
Found Nagsu
Nagsu => walls
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Siege of Entremont:
Army vs vSpearman, win -3hp
Army vs vSpearman, win -2hp
vKnight vs vSpearman, loss -2hp
vKnight vs rSpearman, retreats
Army vs vSpearman, clean win
Army vs rSpearman, -8hp!
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IBT
Marsillis gives us the boot, we cave (for the last time. )
Anshan (celtic front) settler => settler
Kuara settler => library
Kutha (in the jungle) settler => knight
Found Susa (celtic front) => walls

Turn 190
(Spices 7 turns)
(save & exit)

(load game)
Rival check:
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Celts (Republic), 5 cities, war, strong to
Hittites (Republic), 12 cities, peace, strong to, +Printing Press +Banking
America (Republic), 14 cities, peace, strong to, +Printing Press
Netherlands (Republic), 13 cities, peace, strong to, -Astronomy
Persia (Republic), 13 cities, peace, strong to, +Printing Press +Banking
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Notes:
- Keep researching Chemistry for trading. Seems like AI goes Democracy first
- Kill Brennus asap and heal up afterwards

IBT
Lagash cathedral => knight
Bad-tibira musketman => musketman
Susa (The Rock) musketman => temple
Sidon (Persia) completed Sistine Chapel

Turn 191
(Spices 6 turns)
Make ROP with Hittites
Make ROP with America
Found Tutub => temple
Rush settler in Babi (celtic front) for 76gp
Rush aqueduct in Umma for 120 gp
Change production in Kish to Aqueduct
Change production in Akshak (Desert Valley) to marketplace
Change production in Zabalam to harbor
MM all citizen

IBT
Babil (Celtic front) settler => trebuchet
Umma aqueduct => courthouse
Kish aqueduct => marketplace
Zabalam (in the jungle) university => barracks
Dabarum walls => harbor
Tutub (near the swamp) temple => marketplace

Turn 192
(Spices 5 turns)
Nothing important

IBT
Ur musketman => knight
Civil disorder in Apisala (elefant farm)
Civil disorder in Akshak
Hattusas (Hittite) has completed Leonardo's Workshop
Persepolis (Persia) has completed JS Bach's Cathedral

Turn 193
(Spices 4 turns)
Trade Astronomy +5gp for Printing Press with Netherlands

IBT
Sumer knight => knight
Erech walls => trebuchet

Turn 194
(Spices 3 turns)
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Siege of Entremont
Trebuchets 1/2
eMID vs vSpearman, win -1hp
eMID vs vSpearman, win -2hp
vKnight vs vSpearman, retreats
vKnight vs rSpearman, win -3hp
eKnight vs vSpearman, clean win
vKnight vs vSpearman, loss -1hp
Army vs rSpearman, clean win, capture entremont and MoM +0gp +3slaves
Abandon city
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IBT
zzz

195
(Spices 2 turns)
Found Kutallu => trebuchet
Army vs vArcher, win -3hp
Found Anshan => trebuchet
Found Babil => harbor

IBT
Lagash knight => heroic epic
Zabalam barracks => knight
Isin harbor => trebuchet

Turn 196
(Spices 1 turn)
Found Apisala => harbor
Trade wines +horses +WM +1gpt +193gp to for Banking with Persia
Change production in Ur, Sumer, Lagash and Zabalam (in the jungle) to bank

IBT
zzz

Turn 197
(Spices expire!)
eArcher vs vLongbow, win -4hp
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Siege of Nemausus
trebuchets 1/2
Army vs rSpearman, clean win
Stop attack to not expose trebuchets
---
Siege of Eboracum
eLongbow vs vSpearman, win -2hp
eKnight vs rSpearman, win -2hp
vKnight vs rSpearman, retreat
vMID vs rSpearman, clean loss
vMID vs rSpearman, win -3hp, capture Eboracum
Abandon city
---

IBT
Erech aqueduct => library

Turn 198
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Siege of Nemausus
Army vs vSpearman, win -4hp, capture Nemausus +0gp +3slaves
Abandon city
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IBT
Kisurra walls => trebuchet
Kua (Desert Hills) aqueduct => library
Civil disorder in Apisala (elefant farm)

Turn 199
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Siege of Lugudum
vKnight vs vSpearman, win -1hp
vKnight vs vSpearman, win -2hp
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IBT
Agade musketman => trebuchet
Akshak (Desert valley) marketplace => aqueduct
Kuara library => aqueduct

Turn 200
Army vs vSpearman, win -4hp
(save)

IBT
vKnight vs vLongbow, win -1hp, promotes

Turn 201
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Siege of Lugdunum
eMID vs rSpearman, clean win, capture Lugdunum +0gp +Sun Tzu's
Keep it!
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Siege of Augustodurum
Army vs vSpearman, clean win
Army 2 vs rSpearman, win -2hp, capture Augustodurum +0gp
Keep it!
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Celts are out!
Trade Navigation for WM and Music Theory with Netherlands
Starve Celts in Lugdunum and Augustodurum
MM citizen
Adjust sliders, Chemistry in 4 turns +7gpt
Rival check:
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Celts are out
Hittites (Republic), 12 cities, peace, strong to
America (Republic), 14 cities, peace, strong to
Netherlands (Republic), 14 cities, peace, strong to
Persia (Anarchy), 12 cities, peace, strong to, +Democracy
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(save & quit Note: Ready to press Enter)

It took me all these turns to get rid of the Celts. I'm super inexperienced with war. Anyways, the task is done. Brennus is gone and every single city but one (it got Sun Tzu's) is razed to the ground (conquer, keep, abandon ).

The other continent won't be a problem, they are all a bunch of peace loving people. The problem might be their cities on my continent, but I think I just leave some gatekeepers behind.

Not sure whom to go for:
1. I kinda respect the Hittites. But their territory is spread out and would be hard to pick apart anyways.
2. The Americans seem the hardest. They got a huge chunk of land and never once used up units. Could be fun.
3. The Dutch look really week and lacked behind all the time.
4. To me the Persians are a joke. Xerxes plays the big scientist, leading ever since I started waking Brennus. He grabbed 3-4 cities on my continent, but apart from that I don't hold him for a tough nut (though Immortals are...).

My choice would be the Hittites at the moment (ignore what I wrote above). They got only one city on my continent and I can lance right into their main land and start waking Mursilis cities to pieces. Maybe I get the Dutch or Americans in for the war, but at the moment I'm short on cash (thank you war weariness ) and only even in tech.

Mh! I think about catching up in tech first and ship my stuff over. Will take 5-10 turns and I could be ready to roll.

Any c&c welcome!

 

You can acquire a luxury from the Hittites via gpt and lower the luxury slider a tick if you like. You do have marketplaces after all. I don't see why you've decided to build both banks and universities. If you want to do research universities can make sense, but if you don't, then banks can make sense. I don't see why you've mined out in extremely corrupt areas. Generally speaking (an exception does exist, but it's not worth mentioning), ares with extremely high corruption work out better as irrigated than mined, since food doesn't corrupt, while shields do. I also don't see a need for a harbor in a game like in a very, very corrupt area.

Who do you want to attack? You're strong to everyone else on the planet.

 

Good points (especially nothing I ever considered). So you mean I should specialize my core cities to either cash or beakers (banks vs universities)? Makes sense! I always considered having both is good. Stupid me.

Well irrigating all the corrupt cities should be no problemo, I got an army of workers at my disposal. Which leaves the question what to construct in those corrupt nests? granaries I got through The Pyramids, which leaves aqueducts.

I build harbors for the extra food. What else should I build in cities with 1spt. I just let them get a harbor and be done with it for 20-40 turns. Make a suggestion! To be honest I was always weak with those far-away cities. I see them as being there to grab land, increase my overall land/population and be the stage for future wars (in case they are on a different continent/border).

Your suggestion with the lux leads me to this solution for future wars:
- acquire spices from Hittites for gpt
- war with America (I want to eliminate my strongest rival first).
- also I will get my banks and keep those universities. I need to emphasize cash for a bit, but will get back on the research lane soon. The AI is still slow and I can catch up easily. The banks will come in handy when I want to upgrade my units.

Any more comments and criticism?