Poland, Casimir, overpowered?

[reddishrecue]

It is so easy to get the better social policy trees done with Poland since you get a free social policy when you enter the next era. Poland usually ends up with more social policies easier than other civilizations. Is Solidarity overpowered ?

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

You have to wait a while Before you can get your first pick and sometimes I don't find the extra policies that helpfull because I get the ones I want first.

However it can be a strong abillity too but not always.

 

[GoStu]

I put in a vote for no: it's quite strong but it doesn't offer anything that's truly unique. By the Renaissance, you have three extra social policies - it's good but not unbeatable. What it's so popular for is its flexibility, and the fact that Poland has a very good UB and a pretty good UU to go with it.

 

[bison21]

I think it is easy to conclude that a civ or UA/UU/UB is overpowered because it helps weaker players overcome some of their bad play- Poland certainly helped me with one of my first Emperor games, because its strong abilities can compensate for bad decisions. But I think that the better you get, the more you find that abilities have to be played out in a certain context to maximize the benefits; and for that, many civs qualify. Gajah Mada would probably not qualify as an OP civ due to the crazy Kris swordmen, but play the luxury-boni well and looks OP all of the sudden!

 

[cpm4001]

Nope. It's certainly one of the stronger UAs in the game, but it's not overpowered.

 

[njmfff]

yeah, UA alone isn't that special, but not terrible either... but overall very strong civ because UU and UB work perfectly.

Kinda like Arabia or Iroquois, where UU, UB and UA work one with another.

 

[PrimoXanthous]

Poland's UA is fine not OP.

 

[nimling]

If I could build a free oracle every age, I'm OP. The Ducal stable just adds further to that.

Any time the AI rolls Poland in my games he is a runaway beast.

Would be better if the free policies are spaced at Medieval, Industrial, and Info age only.

Indonesia is heavily map-dependent to use their UA. Often the only available islands are extremely marginal holdings.

 

[GKShaman]

I regularly try to build Oracle, Statue of Liberty, Sydney Opera House and Eiffel Tower just for the social policies sometimes. But obviously those wonders have great side effects. I put a vote for yes. A bit too much in my opinion.

 

[sendos]

The vote seems split here. I voted no because, as Gostu stated, Poland's UA is very flexible. If you wish to go for science, the UA will help you open rationalism on reaching renaissance. If you're going for cultural victory, you can open aestethics ASAP. Etc. etc.

 

[CivilizedPlayer]

I voted no. Definitely first-tier, but not OP. Basically, like others are saying, they can do anything pretty well, as opposed to one thing really really well. That's why the AI tends to be a runaway civ when it's Poland: the AI can't prioritize single VCs very well, let alone beeline specific policies and techs. As a result, a strong, blanket boost helps it a lot. On the other hand, if you're going for a specific VC from turn one, there's another civ that can probably do it better.
Domination? Zulus or Huns
Science? Korea or Babylon
Cultural? Brazil or France
Diplo? ALEX ALEX ALEX.
So Poland's tier one, solid overall, but not overpowered.

 

[isau]

Overpowered? No, not exactly.

I do think the Poland UA should be replaced though, and every civ should get what used to be Poland's UA, because policy picks are too tight across the board. There just isn't much room to really experiment.

 

[tat501]

Strong? Yes. Very strong Civ. OP? No. Having social policies does not directly win you the game anymore.

 

[adwcta]

It's by far the best UA.
It's also paired with a really good UB, and the plains start bias all but guarantees Poland sheep cow or horse start.

The UA should only start working after classical era. It's called solidarity anyway, which didn't start until 1980. Poland itself was not a recognizable unified people until 900Ad, the Medieval era.

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[BBMorti]

People who doesn't think a free oracle every age is not OP is missing something, imo. It is grossly overpowered, many knew that long before BWN came out

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

People who doesn't think a free oracle every age is not OP is missing something, imo. It is grossly overpowered, many knew that long before BWN came out

First off Poland don't get a free Oracle every age because they don't get a free Policy from Ancient age.
Second they either have to beline or wait a long time Before they get anything at all from their UA.
Third not a social policy will not be that great of a help for your civlization, espacially with no policy saving you can be forced to pick trees that you have very Little to gain from.
Fourth you don't get anything else from your UA and your UA will never allow you to become best at anything because other more speciallised Civs will allways be better at what they are made for and extra policies will not help much if att all.

 

[Memoryjar]

I miss something, I made piece of junk games with Poland when I draw it (Immortal). Shoshone or Maya UA fits me more.

 

[Hpuk]

The game is filled with social policies, and especially ideological tenets, that are more powerful than the vast majority of UAs. Poland gets several for free, of course he is OP. It isn't even balanced by a weak UB or UU, both of those are excellent as well.

 

[BBMorti]

First off Poland don't get a free Oracle every age because they don't get a free Policy from Ancient age.
Second they either have to beline or wait a long time Before they get anything at all from their UA.
Third not a social policy will not be that great of a help for your civlization, espacially with no policy saving you can be forced to pick trees that you have very Little to gain from.
Fourth you don't get anything else from your UA and your UA will never allow you to become best at anything because other more speciallised Civs will allways be better at what they are made for and extra policies will not help much if att all.

You grossly underestimate the power of social policies, many are stronger than any UA in the game... a decent player plans ahead and every social policy will be of tremendous benefit.

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

Tell me about these more powerful then UAs policies or tenates because it do not sound serious to me at all.