Politicians really don't like being confronted with the consequences of their actions

Greekguy, sarcasm is a tool that can produce both humor and shock. It is quite obvious that our President and his minions cannot comprehend straight forward language. What is sadder still is that he doesn't have the courage or decency to at least meet with the woman.
 
originally posted by Basketcase
It isn't the President's job to pay attention to the homeless, or the retired, or wounded veterans, or handicapped people, or AIDS victims, or lone protesters sitting outside their ranch home.

The President's job is to achieve a workable balance between ALL of the above. You can't spend the nation's entire budget on the homeless, or on AIDS, or on any other one thing. The nation cannot survive that way. The President has to make sure some attention is being paid to ALL of the nation's problems.

The problem is that politicians are meeting mainly: other politicians, CEOs from big companies, bosses from interest groups, and maybe some preselected butt kissers for the media. I don´t think they can give them the right impression of the state of their countries.
I did not state politicians should excluselively meet the powerless, a couple of hours a week seems appropriate for me as corrective because these people get totally ignored right now. Less cynism and more humbleness for the politicians is what I aim for.
 
http://www.thereporter.com/republished

"We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.

Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

While meeting with Bush, as well as Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, was an honor, it was almost a tangent benefit of the trip. The Sheehans said they enjoyed meeting the other families of fallen soldiers, sharing stories, contact information, grief and support.

This is Her local newspaper, which has reprinted this story due to the controversy. FYI, this is the source which everyone is using with regard to the story.

Drudge has a record of being the first man to the story, regardless of who is its victim. He was the to print excerps of Kitty Kellys Anti Bush book and other Bush Scandals.
 
Maybe Bush wouldn't spend so much time on vacation if nuts didn't keep bothering him.
 
h4ppy said:
Maybe Bush wouldn't spend so much time on vacation if nuts didn't keep bothering him.

LOL

No president TRUELY takes vacation. At any moment, they can be aware and react fully to any problem.

I have one question with regard to vacation. What can the president NOT do on vacation that he can do in the white house?
 
I can tell you one thing that Dubya cannot do on vacation that he can do in the White House......and that is Everything. The last I checked, Karl Rove was still in Washington DC while George W is baking in the Texas sun. I'm quite sure that he won't be able to communicate with Karl due to the fact that Karl is not around to instruct him on how to use his cell phone. I'm also sure there is no reception in depths of the Texan wilderness either.
 
JDoe said:
I can tell you one thing that Dubya cannot do on vacation that he can do in the White House......and that is Everything. The last I checked, Karl Rove was still in Washington DC while George W is baking in the Texas sun. I'm quite sure that he won't be able to communicate with Karl


Yeah, I forgot about that. I forgot they dont have phones down there.
 
What is really funny about the whole situation is that apparently Bush's aids won't let him talk to her...who is the president again? Probably a good idea for Bush not to though, at least from his perspective. Without knowing what questions she will ask, he will come across as the ignorant buffoon he really is.
 
Of course! Everyone who wants to have a face to face meeting with the President should get the opportunity! If he didn't take an August vacation that would free up about 200 million hours with which to meet with all Americans, by my calculations.
 
Keshik said:
Of course! Everyone who wants to have a face to face meeting with the President should get the opportunity! If he didn't take an August vacation that would free up about 200 million hours with which to meet with all Americans, by my calculations.

I'm sure all Americans would like to tell the president what he is doing that is right and wrong. So, I think he still needs to find another 80-90 million hours.
 
Bush should meet with her again. He's done it once; she deserves it. He needs to hear it. Not to do so is cowardly at this point and not to get briefed on the details before meeting with people is extremely insensitive and foolish.

To call Bush on vacation is just dumb, left wing stupidity. One doesn't have to sit in DC to accomplish work and he is still working every day, 7 days a week, to include traveling for events.
 
wilbill said:
From a purely practical perspective you're absolutely right. But if you take into account people's perception of Sheehan's protest and their perception of the war itself (increasingly a negative perception), Bush could score some big points by meeting with this one Gold Star Mother. If he took his mountain bike down the road to her camp, stepped aside with her for about 10 minutes, listened more than he talked, and simply told her he valued her arguments, but had to "agree to disagree", he'd come out looking pretty good and go a long way toward defusing whatever embarrasment he may suffer.

With an issue as emotionally charged as this perception can be more important than facts.
That last sentence, I think, explains why politicians lie all the time. Because it works.

It's kind of a moot point, however. Searcheagle already crushed this issue under his boot. Cindy Sheehan praises Bush, then starts condemning him. She's simply looking for someone to blame for her loss. Since the person who inflicted that loss on her is on the other side of the planet and totally out of her reach, she lashes out at anybody she CAN reach. People do this all the time. Sometimes I catch myself doing it.

This story has so much Right-Wing fabrication, it's not even funny. This is a mother of a soldier who died for no reason but oil.
Actually, the oil companies opposed both Iraq wars, because they feared REDUCTIONS in supply, not increases. The oil was flowing just fine in the 80's. Before Iraq War #1, Saddam's troops would shoot anybody who so much as sneezed on an oil pipeline. The perfect thing for protecting an asset in a foreign country is a government that cares about nothing but the dollars produced by that asset.

I don't care. Destroy all dictatorships. And if that means the world's supply of oil gets jittery, tough noogies.
 
BasketCase said:
It's kind of a moot point, however. Searcheagle already crushed this issue under his boot. Cindy Sheehan praises Bush, then starts condemning him. She's simply looking for someone to blame for her loss. Since the person who inflicted that loss on her is on the other side of the planet and totally out of her reach, she lashes out at anybody she CAN reach. People do this all the time. Sometimes I catch myself doing it.
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WOW thanks basketcase
Now I understand why Bush invaded Iraq. :goodjob:

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On a more serious note.
Ex-Iraq vetern (cant remember hes name) spent time talking with her and hes impression of her was positive. Simply she is looking to make her peace let her do what must be done in order to fullfill this. She has burning questions she is seeking answers to.
 
So every mother of a killed soldier gets a ticket to meet with the President and dictate policy to him?
 
BasketCase said:
It's kind of a moot point, however. Searcheagle already crushed this issue under his boot. Cindy Sheehan praises Bush, then starts condemning him.
Actually, Searcheagle merely parroted the out-of-context portions of the Vacaville Reporter article which the Drudge Report used to take a cheap shot at a woman whose son died serving his country.

Here's the ENTIRE article as originally printed. Note the bold highlights.
From our archive[June 24, 2004]: Bush, Sheehans share moments
By David Henson/Staff Writer

Since learning in April that their son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, had been killed in Iraq, life has been everything but normal for the Sheehan family of Vacaville.
Casey's parents, Cindy and Patrick, as well as their three children, have attended event after event honoring the soldier both locally and abroad, received countless letters of support and fielded questions from reporters across the country.

"That's the way our whole lives have been since April 4," Patrick said. "It's been surreal."

But none of that prepared the family for the message left on their answering machine last week, inviting them to have a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush at Fort Lewis near Seattle.

Surreal soon seemed like an understatement, as the Sheehans - one of 17 families who met Thursday with Bush - were whisked in a matter of days to the Army post and given the VIP treatment from the military. But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."
The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.

"We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.

Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

While meeting with Bush, as well as Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, was an honor, it was almost a tangent benefit of the trip. The Sheehans said they enjoyed meeting the other families of fallen soldiers, sharing stories, contact information, grief and support.

For some, grief was still visceral and raw, while for others it had melted into the background of their lives, the pain as common as breathing. Cindy said she saw her reflection in the troubled eyes of each.

"It's hard to lose a son," she said. "But we (all) lost a son in the Iraqi war."

The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together," Cindy said.
As the Reporter stated in response to the Drudge drivel,
Under the headline, "Protesting soldier mom changed story on Bush," only portions of our story were printed. Left out were the Sheehans' reservations about the war.

The online report claimed Cindy Sheehan "dramatically changed her account about what happened when she met the commander in chief last summer!"

We don't think there has been a dramatic turnaround. Clearly, Cindy Sheehan's outrage was festering even then.
And finally, here are the selectively chosen portions of the story Matt Drudge used. No big deal, all he did was totally change the meaning of the story to fit into his right-wing attack on a Gold Star Mother.
"'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

"The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

"The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

"For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."
No mention that she had doubts about the war when she met Bush. No mention that she considered asking him some tough questions.

Searcheagle crushed nothing beneath his boot - he parroted Drudge's intentional twisting of the meaning of the Reporter's story.
 
This is why you have to apply a grain of salt to almost every news story you here. It really annoys me when they do that (note: I was actually taught the manipulative techniques in High School). I only posted a very small comment at the begining of this thread cause I though more might come out.

ofcourse more info might be revealed and we may never get the full story.
 
rmsharpe said:
So every mother of a killed soldier gets a ticket to meet with the President and dictate policy to him?

Of course not

laying down your life in the ultimate sacrifice for your country dosnt amount to much.

As opposed to making donations to the republican party. Now thats a whole different matter. :goodjob:
 
To be fair, her son did join the Army on his own free will. Nobody put a gun against his head, he was not dragged out of his home, he made an informed choice.
 
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