Pop-Punk: an oxymoron or what?

[SoCalian]

Is there any music "genre" that is more oxymoronic than the so-called pop-punk.

 

[superslug]

I don't know, but maybe. I mean I've seen people's hips swing, bend, strain, fall, bounce and break, but I've never seen a hip hop.

 

[newfangle]

I thought "pop" just means popular music. Punk is popular. Ergo, pop-punk is redundant.

 

[SoCalian]

Yet punk was originaly divised to be the antithesis of pop. Ergo pop-punk is an oxymoron.

 

[superslug]

I almost forget, what's the rule in the true punk community-50,000 records sold and you're then a sell-out? That makes it very oxymoronic, because you can't be popular and punk, although you can be popular and punk sounding.

 

[SoCalian]

Though the popular "punk" dosen't sound very much like true punk, but goes under the label punk.
darn you Avril Lavigne

 

[superslug]

Avril Lavigne is considered faux-punk? Good god, now even faux-punk is faux-faux-punk! I was thinking more along the lines of Green Day...

 

[Richard III]

Excellent post, Superslug. I remember the debates: is Green Day punk, and I thought, nooooooo, but I can understand.

Avril is a form of blasphemy that must be rooted out and destroyed.

 

[superslug]

Originally posted by Richard III
Excellent post, Superslug.

These words coming from you are among the highest praise any poster could hope for, sir. Now if you'll excuse me, I must bring myself back down to earth and flame someone...

 

[Drewcifer]

I think pop punk is a sort of airbrushed, bubble gum erstatz punk that began with Green Day and the like. The punk that I loved was as much a license to follow your own creativity as it was a style of music. Bands like the Minutemen, Flipper or the Replacements probably wouldn't even be called punk now. Today it is just paint by numbers, sonically. Punk is dead, has been for a long time.

 

[samildanach]

Wasn't there a riot in Canada a couple of weeks ago - where a veteran British punk-rock group got stopped at the U.S border and the dissappointed fans went off on one when the gig was cancelled? I can't remember what they were called - some cheery punk type moniker like "The Molested" or "The Exploited" - hmmm I think it did begin with an E. "The Exsanguinated" perhaps. I think it was snappier than that though. I'll plump for "The Excrement".

 

[Esckey]

Ya it happend in Montreal I think.

I hate Pop and punk. Pop because...well it's pop. And Punk because the only people that I know that listen to it are possers. I know so many actual punks that are into hardcore metal and not punk music that it amazes me.

Pop-punk is just like country-rock. Though I've never actually heard the phrase "pop-punk" I think it discribes Avil's music rather well though, mainly cause it sucks even though I normally like punk music.

 

[Dr. Dr. Doktor]

Originally posted by SoCalian
Yet punk was originaly divised to be the antithesis of pop. Ergo pop-punk is an oxymoron.

I thought punk was a reaction to the socalled prog-rock of the mid-seventies. British bands like Pink Floyd, Yes and King Crimson and so on which were characterized by an elitist attitude, excessive noodling and pompous conceptualizations. So I would say that Punk, the Sex Pistols for instance, is in fact the antithesis of Rock. Note how later punk has seemed to effortlessly fuse with Disco, Funk and Pop. The Clash is a good example, and the whole New Wave of the Eighties.
And wasn't Green Day actually more like the style commonly know as Ska by the way?

 

[Hygro]

Happy Gabber is pretty oxymoronic. Its like dark and heavy gabber, only happy. It also isnt the best thing ever (I would prefer happy hardcore or plain gabber)

Punk-pop is almost an oxymoron, except I found the punk crowd is a lot like the pop(ular) crowd except a bit more cynicle and slight more (though mostly pseudo) sophisticated.

 

[Archer 007]

I think its funny that punk fans think their "rebelling" from the established order and doing something unique.

 

[ComradeDavo]

These so called 'pop punk' bands are NOT punk at all, in fact they represent what Punk is against. Most 'pop-punk' fans would be scared out of their minds if they went to a real punk gig.

I know so many actual punks that are into hardcore metal and not punk music that it amazes me

Well hardcore is kind of a mix of metal and punk.

These days the barriers between punks and metallers have mostly been broken down (well with the youth anyway) and you get people like me and my friends who listen to both and mix the fasions etc together. You still get punks and you still get metalheads but mostly you get 'grungers' or whatever you want to call us who like a mixture.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Pop punk is a sub-genre of punk rock that is more refined and more radio-friendly. It has elements from pop music as opposed to hardcore punk rock. Examples of pop punk bands include Blink 182 and Sum 41.


That should settle it...

 

[Dr. Dr. Doktor]

Disco Demolition Night at Comiskey Park in Chicago, Illinois, July 12, 1979

Will there be a repeat? A Punk Demolition Night? Not unthinkable.

 

[Hitro]

Originally posted by Richard III
Excellent post, Superslug. I remember the debates: is Green Day punk, and I thought, nooooooo, but I can understand.

Avril is a form of blasphemy that must be rooted out and destroyed.

Also an excellent post.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

Originally posted by Richard III
Avril is a form of blasphemy that must be rooted out and destroyed.

It is indeed a mortal sin, yet one of which I am guilty of