Vaccine Suspicion thread (split from Trump in Charge)

[Archon8]

Who on earth trusts Zuckerberg ? You might as well ask the cat

The Biden Administration confirmed it.

 

[Gorbles]

I consider the Biden administration's actions to have violated the First Amendment.

Yes, and Narz's comment was "taboo", which is a social (stigma) marker. You can have whatever opinion of Biden's administration you like, but the two aren't the same thing. Our social group is not the White House - far from it

 

[Archon8]

Yes, and Narz's comment was "taboo", which is a social (stigma) marker. You can have whatever opinion of Biden's administration you like, but the two aren't necessarily the same thing.

It's annoying having to repeat myself. Private social media companies (Youtube/Facebook/Twitter) deplatforming, banning, and censoring dissenting opinions is an aspect of social stigma. The fact that these actions were prompted by pressure from the Biden administration is what I consider to be a violation of the First Amendment.

 

[Gorbles]

It's annoying having to repeat myself. Private social media companies (Youtube/Facebook/Twitter) deplatforming, banning, and censoring dissenting opinions is an aspect of social stigma. The fact that these actions were prompted by pressure from the Biden administration is what I consider to be a violation of the First Amendment.

Narz was talking about the act of "criticising" being "taboo". The act of "criticising" is not "taboo". Suggesting that everything that was allegedly deplatformed was merely criticism, is a claim that you would need to evidence, in a world where claims require evidence to be taken seriously.

 

[Archon8]

Narz was talking about the act of "criticising" being "taboo". The act of "criticising" is not "taboo". Suggesting that everything that was allegedly deplatformed was merely criticism, is a claim that you would need to evidence, in a world where claims require evidence to be taken seriously.

Scientists who authored a paper criticizing Covid lockdowns had their work censored in multiple places, including Reddit, which disingenuously considered it "spam."

 

[Snowygerry]

The Biden Administration confirmed it.

It says they encouraged responsible behaviour

The Biden Administration confirmed it.

Scientists who authored a paper criticizing Covid lockdowns had their work censored in multiple places, including Reddit, which disingenuously considered it "spam."

All Biden statements on the White House website in regard to COVID have been removed replaced by pictures of Trump.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/12/17/press-briefing-by-white-house-covid-19-response-team-and-public-health-officials-74/

Error 404, page does not exist , congratulations you're now on par with Communist China in regard to altered history online.

 

[Gorbles]

Scientists who authored a paper criticizing Covid lockdowns had their work censored in multiple places, including Reddit, which disingenuously considered it "spam."

reddit is a collection of subreddits with wildly different moderating teams. Complaining about the actions of a specific subreddit is about as useful as complaining that forums like this one have the rules that they do. Again, the act of criticism is not taboo, but criticism of any kind is simultaneously not owed a platform.

Nor do your screenshots (without a link to any source) demonstrate the alleged censorship Google had performed.

Again, if you wish to allege that all censorship was enacted solely on good faith criticism, that is a claim that requires evidencing, at scale. The amount of Covid opinions I would personally consider disinformation that I still see shared on the Internet suggest to me that doing so is in no way "taboo". Cannibalism is a taboo. Disturbing the dead is often considered taboo. And so on, and so forth. "companies reacted to an arguable uptick in disinformation" is not creating a taboo - at least, certainly not one that exists today.

 

[Archon8]

It says they encouraged responsible behaviour

Are you trolling? I genuinely do not want to be rude if reading comprehension isn't your thing.

Following Zuckerberg's claims that the Biden administration pressured him into censoring "disinformation," the administration, in response, did say they encouraged responsible behavior. In other words, they did not attempt to deny the accusation, and were rather trying to spin their actions.

 

[Snowygerry]

But that's not what it says, that's something you just made up, and since the original White House statement is nowhere to be seen, I chose to not believe it.

No one is obliged to deny an accusation, the accusation needs to be supported by evidence.

 

[Archon8]

But that's not what it says, that's something you just made up, and since the original White House statement is nowhere to be seen, I chose to not believe it.

No one is obliged to deny an accusation, the accusation needs to be supported by evidence.

It's on PBS.org, I am not able to post links without my post getting held up for moderator approval. I figured the big PBS News logo in the original screenshot would have conveyed that it came from a credible source.

 

[Snowygerry]

It is not all that important anyway.

It is certain that pressure was put on the population to get vaccinated yes, and it worked, a majority got vaccinated in record time and the pandemic passed without much incident, everybody has already forgotten about.it.

Again this is all dependent on where you live, obviously.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

@Archon8 If you refer to an article, can you please link to the article instead of a screenshot?

If you copy paste the link in a post, it will create a reference.

edit:

It's on PBS.org, I am not able to post links without my post getting held up for moderator approval.

That's odd.

 

[Archon8]

@Archon8 If you refer to an article, can you please link to the article instead of a screenshot?

If you copy paste the link in a post, it will create a reference.

edit:

That's odd.

So you can see what it looks like:

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Hmmm, have you been naughty in the past?

Otherwise report it to our mods. I tried posting a pbs.org link and it worked fine.

edit: spiked-online is just trash though.

 

[Archon8]

No, I registered almost 2 years ago but I felt no inclination to post, and since I could read everything while unregistered, I never activated my account. I've been playing Civ since Civ 3 and have already had Civ 7 preordered for a while. I only just recently activated my account so that I could post about Civ 7 when it's released.

Hmmm, have you been naughty in the past?

Otherwise report it to our mods. I tried posting a pbs.org link and it worked fine.

edit: spiked-online is just trash though.

 

[Snowygerry]

And now you suddenly felt the need to post in OT ? What triggered you ? Was it the word "fascism" ?

 

[Gorbles]

So let's go all-in, shall we:

Why has Google censored the Great Barrington Declaration?

Big Tech now treats any opposition to lockdown as misinformation – even if it’s from eminent scientists.

www.spiked-online.com

They claim thusly:

Tech giant Google has decided that the view of these scientists should be covered up. Most users in English-speaking countries, when they google ‘Great Barrington Declaration’, will not be directed to the declaration itself but to articles that are critical of the declaration – and some that amount to little more than smears of the signatories.

They do realise that Google provides . . . contextual search results? It's not a dictionary. You don't put in the word and get the most accurate result. Google has been allowing companies to pay for search index rankings (and indeed, encouraging it), for years.

This is not suppression. This is not evidence of a taboo.

As an aside: the results of my Google search, bearing in mind I never searched for it before:

Anyhow let's have a look at some of the context, shall we? Drawing from Wikipedia:

• The only people to claim that the article was being "suppressed" were Toby Young (a well known conservative journalist) and one of the authors of the piece itself. The source on Toby Young is an article he wrote urging people to sign the petition. I'm not entirely sure that's an unbiased, third-party opinion there (the same goes for the author, obviously).
• There was widespread scientific criticism of the study, its methologies, and its statistics.

I have since realised that this "Great Barrington Declaration" relied on the concept of "herd immunity". This subject has obviously been done to death, but should hopefully illuminate where the proposal stands r.e. scientific merits, which are not a matter of "criticism" being "taboo" either.

We can agree or disagree on the validity of the proposal all day long. However, I see absolutely zero evidence that it was "suppressed", to the extent you can see it at the top of Google search results today.

 

[Archon8]

And now you suddenly felt the need to post in OT ? What triggered you ? Was it the word "fascism" ?

So let's go all-in, shall we:

I'm sorry but your current search is not meaningful. The article is from October 12, 2020, and any suppression would have long since expired by now.

 

[amadeus]

It says they encouraged responsible behaviour



All Biden statements on the White House website in regard to COVID have been removed replaced by pictures of Trump.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/12/17/press-briefing-by-white-house-covid-19-response-team-and-public-health-officials-74/

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Press Briefing by White House COVID-19 Response Team and Public Health Officials | The White House

Via Teleconference 11:06 A.M. ESTMR. ZIENTS: Good morning. And thanks for joining us.Today, Dr. Walensky will give an overview of the state of

bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov

I haven't followed the discussion much here, just wanted to chime in that prior administrations' web sites are archived and kept online.

Yes! Including the Clinton White House.

Office of the President

 

[Snowygerry]

Such schemes were implemented here too, a recent negative test was equivalent to proof of vaccination, an out for people that would, or could not get a vaccine.

Today, we’re releasing CDC science on “test to stay” that allows unvaccinated children to stay in school even if they have been exposed to the virus so that they don’t have to miss school while they’re quarantining at home.

In the test-to-stay protocol, there is increased testing of close contacts after a COVID-19 exposure, and that testing needs to be at least twice during the seven-day period after exposure. If exposed children meet a certain criteria and continue to test negative, they can stay in school instead of quarantining at home.