-Prethread- NCNESIOT: Blackened Skies

[Nuka-sama]

Yes. The United States only guaranteed freedom for Christians, Jews specifically were excluded so most stayed in Europe (The Latin Americans weren't particularly welcoming either). The French and later German regimes were fairly accepting of the Jews, as was Austria, so you saw a pretty big migration there.

 

[Double A]

tbh I probably wouldn't persecute them

 

[Ahigin]

Yes. The United States only guaranteed freedom for Christians, Jews specifically were excluded so most stayed in Europe (The Latin Americans weren't particularly welcoming either). The French and later German regimes were fairly accepting of the Jews, as was Austria, so you saw a pretty big migration there.

Makes sense. Especially given the fact that the GFA's Landschaftsverbande administrative reform has given minorities lot of cultural and municipal autonomy in exchange for more taxes if they wish such trade.

 

[tobiisagoodboy]

Shouldn't Italy also have Jews, esspecially since most of the German jews were actually wealthy middle-class and upper-middle class, not really the best friends of Socialists

 

[Ahigin]

Those fled to Austria before socialism found them there, too.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Is it possible for South American countries to open up Jews or would that contradict the story you've built up?

 

[Nuka-sama]

You could sure! Some Jews, particularly those from Austria, may look to emigrate, but they would not be likely to go to a country at war.

Australasia and South Africa are right now pretty big immigrant draws. India is too.

 

[Crezth]

Woah, woah, woah. Tax power absolutely should have an impact on economic growth. Like the laffer curve might not exist in a nice neat line, but there is something to be said of lower taxes allowing for a better/more efficient/economically rational distribution via market mechanisms. This is doubly true given how people like spending on white elephant projects.

I support Masada on that. Dropping the Laffer curve, we still have to admit that taxation affects demand and supply of goods, as well as private business initiative. Besides, looking at it from the game design perspective, I currently see a clear issue with the game: Any nation must raise tax power as high as possible, because it is the way to pay for any projects and especially military, which in this game is the dominant geopolitical factor. If low taxes give such insignificant bonuses, then changing taxation becomes a no-brainer decision. And no-brainers are boring and routinely.

Tax power is not a measurement of the tax rate but a quantity proportional to tax rate times government efficiency. It's a brutal statistic where higher = better (more government revenue).

Since I'm changing the market model, I'll probably revisit how taxes figure in to the whole situation, but the concept is that each nation has a "total EP" and a taxable EP, which is what they spend. Sometimes this spent EP gets reinvested, sometimes it doesn't (depends on the policies in question). But EP that hasn't been taxed (total EP - taxable EP) gets reinvested with a random (market) efficiency, whereas government reinvestment is pegged to a sub-mean value. The problem is this still works out better for the central planners in the long run because the sub-mean value is still usually pretty good, and the random efficiency is unrealistic. Also it doesn't work quite like how I described. Hence why I am revisiting the market model.

On that note, I'd like to state that tomorrow I'll be rolling out the new stats and system, and today I'll be answering PMs and hanging out on chatango. In recognition of the fact that I have been deliberately ignoring all of you conspicuously absent for the last week or so, I am declaring ex post facto to have been on a much-needed vacation, and as of today I'm back in the slog. Nuke and I will discuss extending the current update cycle to accommodate this down-time, but for now plan on a revised May 28 deadline.

Finally, Nuke and I will be sending out some hot tamales tomorrow. If you get a hot tamale, don't tell anyone. They are very special hot tamales.

 

[Double A]

So txp is basically just a measurement of how much dosh gets skimmed off the top?

 

[Crezth]

That's right.

 

[Nuka-sama]

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OOC: I would have signed a a peace which would ahve crippeld me, amking me loose terretory and most influence in italy, after which both the king and the current goverment would have resigned.
But now I'm stuck wth fighting until there's not much left of Italy. Just one question to the Nuke and Czetch. How stubborn is the Italian establishmeant ? THeir fighting and losing a pretty much (population wise) at least 4 on 1 war, and only because of some minor victoris on sea and over sea they believe that they have a chance ?
Second, how weak do you think the Italian military is ? I mean it fought against overwhelming odds for several years now and managed to hold most of northern Italy.
The Italian navy managed to gain dominance over the med ( Not counting in those anglo freaks) and is gaining the upper hand in North Africa.
But still, most reserves are spent and at least 2 % of the total Italian population, if not more, have already died in this war.
I could even invade Greece and win, without even weakening the front much.
I could even give up Northern Italy and shorten the front line to the point where advantage in numbers isn't that useful.
What i want to say is: " It's a long way to Rome" and against an military that actually has the will and means to fight, it won'T get easy and will propably decimate the Socialists quite heavily.
I'll retreat all the way to Mogadischu and fight from there if I have to.

Just some thoughts.

See, the thing is that your people aren't looking at these stats thinking "We're CLEARLY going to lose this, it's a 4 to 1 disadvantage in population". They are not even looking at the stats! When Hitler declared war on the USA or USSR, he didn't have a bunch of charts looking over their advantages. Same thing with Poland! In a NES, Germany's stats would clearly indicate its superiority but Poland was not going to just give them Danzig.

Quite frankly, the Italian establishment prefers fighting like this, because look what Germany did to Austria. They infiltrated it, assassinated its leaders, and overwhelmed their armies. A white peace not only validates Germany's actions, but it may very well encourage the same path in Italy. A peace short of the liberation of Italian allies and Austria will embolden socialists in Italy and will have Italy diplomatically isolated in a sea of enemies.

Meanwhile in the war, you've actually won some victories AND you're pushing back against Germany. Besides, you're not fighting elites, you're fighting peasants. They have no blood of heroes in them. Losing against these Germans would be a shattering of the modern Italian state.

The elites believe they will win. The Germans will be driven from Vienna, or they will simply try turning Italy to socialism as they turned Austria. It is truly victory or death.

If you're not comfortable fighting a war to the end, I once again recommend switching to a different country. But if you are ready to lead Italy to a glorious future, then fight on! I think you can do it!

 

[tobiisagoodboy]

Well, then Italy will fight as long as it has to. Like I said, even if have to retreat all the way to Mogadischu.
I mean in the end the glorious German socialists had to run to big brother France, because otherwise the Italian army was too scary for them.
Still ´, the Diplomatic situation for italy is horrible.
There are hardly any,real democracies left and even those are already getting controlled by Britain and only God knows whats going on the Cluster known as the two Americas.

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[JohannaK]

the Han Republic is one hell of a real democracy, good sir.

 

[tobiisagoodboy]

European democracys, Democracys that can actually help Italy in that war. Unless the Hand Republic marches all the way through Russia towards Berlin, they won't much help ^^

 

[Masada]

Still ´, the Diplomatic situation for italy is horrible.

You've made it that way.

Also it doesn't work quite like how I described. Hence why I am revisiting the market model.

Yeah, I think, ah, how you described it is exactly how I imagined it and exactly what I disagreed with.

 

[tobiisagoodboy]

How did I made it that way. Because I made reasonable remarks about the situation in the med and asked for Cooperation in that matter. Was my blockade of France med coast and the idea that Italian ships escort and controll vessels so horrible ? Or is it just that some Anglo nations are simply so full of themself that they stumble of their own ****. And don'T even get me started on Russia.

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[gay_Aleks]

Wasn't Italy railroaded into war in first place? I can also assume that once the White Peace offer came, some certain GMs might have sent a PM that signing it would mean that the King would be couped.

 

[JohannaK]

He joined with the country at war, then proceeded to alienate pretty much the only person near him that he might have had a good relationship with.

 

[gay_Aleks]

To be fair, that wasn't a big number in first place. France? Socialist. Germany? They started the war! Russia? On Germany's side, in first place. Who could he ask? Spain? The Ottomans?

At best UK will intervene so that Italy isn't torn into a thousand pieces.

 

[Masada]

How did I made it that way. Because I made reasonable remarks about the situation in the med and asked for Cooperation in that matter. Was my blockade of France med coast and the idea that Italian ships escort and controll vessels so horrible ? Or is it just that some Anglo nations are simply so full of themself that they stumble of their own d****. And don'T even get me started on Russia.

Way to prove the point.

Wasn't Italy railroaded into war in first place? I can also assume that once the White Peace offer came, some certain GMs might have sent a PM that signing it would mean that the King would be couped.

That's called simulating domestic politics. It should happen more.