Preventing Culture Flips of Captured American Cities

[eyrei]

The American cities we have recently captured are all in danger of overthrowing our rule, and rejoining their former government. These are ways to prevent this:

1. Maintain a large garrison.
2. Build a cultural improvement - This reduces the chance of a flip by reducing or eliminating foreign influence on tiles within the workable radius of the city.
3. Connecting the city to the trade network. - This reduces the chance of a flip by increasing the happiness of the citizens via luxuries.
4. Keeping out of disorder - This is very important, and easily achieved. The president(or whoever is playing the game) must make sure each turn that they will not go into disorder.

The situation will become more difficult if we capture Washington, especially if the new capital is to the SE of Washington, and very near Philly and New York.

I suggest that, should we capture Washington, we rush a library there as soon as possible. The same goes for New York, as it is close to other cities. This is probably not as pressing in Philly, though. Also, we should move as many defensive units to these cities as we can spare, until they have at least a couple more than they have population. The Immortals should obviously be moved to the southern and eastern fronts ASAP, and replaced by these spearmen.

 

[donsig]

The best way to prevent these cities from flipping back to Abe is to wipe America from the face off the planet. The American cities are almost the same color as ours are anyway.

Seriously, I'm not much of a whipper but what is the cost and benefit of rushing a temple versus a library in these cities? I know we can make libraries cheaper but temples would help to prevent a flip and keep our new American citizens content.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by donsig
The best way to prevent these cities from flipping back to Abe is to wipe America from the face off the planet. The American cities are almost the same color as ours are anyway.

Seriously, I'm not much of a whipper but what is the cost and benefit of rushing a temple versus a library in these cities? I know we can make libraries cheaper but temples would help to prevent a flip and keep our new American citizens content.

To rush a temple, we must either 21 shields worth of building first, or have a pop of 4+, so we can use two citizens. We can keep them happy in other ways, the culture borders must be expanded ASAP.

A library can be rushed the same turn we quell the resistance.

 

[Cyc]

The library would produce more culture per turn and increase science research 50%.

the temple would only produce 2/3 the culture, but would make one unhappy citizen content.

 

[eyrei]

If we can get those cities hooked up to the trade network, the 3 luxuries plus the garrison should take care of any unhappiness problems, unless the cities were pop-rushed extensively before their capture, which seems to be the case with Philly. We should also have peace treaty soon, which will eliminate some of the unhappiness as well.

 

[Falcon02]

I vote for Libary, cheaper, and we get more culture points to prevent fliping.

 

[ssmith619]

Definitely go culture, and I would for the temple. Citizens are bound to be unhappy because of out "aggresion" to their mothercountry and that happy face would go a long way. But eventually we need to get both built anyway, because those are the two most important culture improvement you can build (and plus, the library brings us beakers).

 

[SKILORD]

temples are good

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by SKILORD
temples are good

I agree with everyone that temples are good. However, they are significantly more expensive than libraries for our civ. We can rush a library for one shield and one population, while to rush a temple we need either 21 shields and one pop, or 1 shield and 2 pop (requiring that the city be at least size 4). Temples will not be completed fast enought to have any effect. If one of these cities is going to flip, it will probably be within the next twenty turns.

 

[das]

Need I remind you that right after city is captured there is resistance?

 

[Cyc]

Well Das, I'm sure if Eyrei could put the resistance in the ovens first, he would.

 

[eyrei]

Most of these cities are going to be small when we capture them, and the resistance in a size one two city normally ends within one turn. Washington will be a different story, however.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Cyc
Well Das, I'm sure if Eyrei could put the resistance in the ovens first, he would.

Ovens? What's an oven? The penalty for their resistance will be forced labor, and then exile. Nothing more.

 

[allhailIndia]

From experience, I've found that large cities do tend to culture flip, so I reccomend that resistances be squelched as early as possible and a temple or library(whichever is cheaper) comes up first. THe smaller the captured city and the further from the border, chances of a culture flip is less.

Of course easier soln. would be to destroy America(No I am not in the hills of Tora Bora

 

[Daaraa]

Another option would be to starve the city down to a manageable size. I usually rush a worker and starve the city at the same time.
I try to get the border towns down to size 1 and the more inland ones down to size 2.
I then place the remaining citizen(s) on high food squares to grow quickly. It is harder for a city to flip if 1 is american and the other 1 or 2 persian.
Call it ethnic cleansing if you want. It works.

 

[Falcon02]

Darra, I honestly don't like that plan. I have no doubt it's effective, but I'd like to be able to turn the American cities into productive cities, esp. for this current war. I feel that would only be a LAST resort, moral implications aside.

 

[Daaraa]

Falcon02 : I guess I just look at it with these things in mind

1 The cities aren't big anyways. This suggestion was only for size 2 or 3 and bigger.
2 We are fighting near Washington and if we take it the capital only moves. The capital being close by is a big factor int he culture flipping.
3 We don't have the quanity of troops to garrision to prevent culture flipping and have units out in the field conducting the war.
4 If we whip any citizens the discontent will be high for a while rendering the cities less effective for probably the duration of the war, disorder may set in promoting a culture flip.

I'm not one to ever use the "whipping" technique of pop-rushing. I think that accomplishes exactly what you said. So I';m not an very experienced pop-rusher. At least by building workers fast you can use them throughout the empire and they require no upkeep.

 

[Justus II]

I would echo the vote for Libraries, for the reasons mentioned. It is the most efficient use of forced labor (1 pop + 1 shield = Library!), has more culture, and the science benefit as a bonus. Besides, that is one of our advantages as the Phoenaticans, lets use it!!

Meanwhile, lets finish the job and annihilate the remaining American cities, which is the best long-term solution to our problem.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Yeah, just take out ALL the American cities. That'll prevent any 'flipping' alright. It's not that hard to do, given our resources.

 

[allhailIndia]

Let the last lingering taste on American mouths be the taste of our steel