Printing press = zoo = WTH!
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The Romans used animals in the colleseum, its sort of like a zoo because people enjoyed seeing exotic animals. Rome was a city of a million people. Besides just the colleseum, I'm sure that they had places where people could pay to spend an afternoon seeing animals from the far reaches of the empire. And I would not be surprised if the Persians, Chinese or other ancient empires did the same thing.
After the fall of Rome, I do agree that animals were mostly for food and Labour (at least in Europe). The modern idea of a zoo probably didn't develop until the 1800's.
After the fall of Rome, I do agree that animals were mostly for food and Labour (at least in Europe). The modern idea of a zoo probably didn't develop until the 1800's.
Biologist
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Zoos with Printing Press is not nearly as confusing as Internet without Computers. Do people stand in a long chain around the world and pass pieces of paper back and forth? I think the devs didn't want to have a "theater" building anymore because all "cultural" buildings are supposed to tie in to the culture/great works system now. They needed to replace the theater with an entertainment-focused building that was invented at roughly the same time, and a zoo fit the bill as well as anything. There were obviously private menageries prior to the opening of the first public zoo, but most people probably couldn't just pay a small fee and walk on in.
IAmOzymandias
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it's so you can print off sales reciepts when you buy/sell/transfer animals, duh.
Taegost
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Brilliant!
whiplash27
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Apparently zoos have been around since ancient times. So yeah, having them only as of the time of the printing press is silly.
Where would you put zoos then? In another around that time that is already loaded? In its current state, it shouldn't come earlier or later (there are already similar buildings then). So the choices are limited. It's irrelevant what tech it's in.
I think the main cause for people to raise an eyebrow at the Zoo is that the game already had a completely logical building in place: the Theater was a building that entertained people, and theaters of the time really would have become easier to set-up with the invention of moveable type, which is the Printing Press. Hence, it was something that didn't really need a change.
Now, I understand a bit that the developers probably wanted to move away from using words/items with cultural connotations to affect something other than culture: note that of all the happiness-granting buildings prior to BNW, only the Theater is thought of as relating to high-art: coliseums and stadiums we think of more in relation to sports (gladiators, professional leagues, etc.)
Beyond that, there was also the issue of having both Ampitheaters and Theaters in the game, and one was for culture and the other for happiness. Hence, that too might have influenced the decision.
But I still think that Theaters are a better design decision for the tech-tree than are Zoos. As others have said, Printing Press has an obvious connection to Theaters, whereas the Printing Press has, at best, a limited connection to Zoos. And I imagine that most gamers would get over any initial confusion about both Ampitheaters and Theaters being present in a very short amount of time. The decision to go with the Zoo while still having the building occur at Printing Press, to me, seems like trying to over-clarify that this building is not cultural. But I never really heard too much about people getting Theaters confused in the first place.
Now, I understand a bit that the developers probably wanted to move away from using words/items with cultural connotations to affect something other than culture: note that of all the happiness-granting buildings prior to BNW, only the Theater is thought of as relating to high-art: coliseums and stadiums we think of more in relation to sports (gladiators, professional leagues, etc.)
Beyond that, there was also the issue of having both Ampitheaters and Theaters in the game, and one was for culture and the other for happiness. Hence, that too might have influenced the decision.
But I still think that Theaters are a better design decision for the tech-tree than are Zoos. As others have said, Printing Press has an obvious connection to Theaters, whereas the Printing Press has, at best, a limited connection to Zoos. And I imagine that most gamers would get over any initial confusion about both Ampitheaters and Theaters being present in a very short amount of time. The decision to go with the Zoo while still having the building occur at Printing Press, to me, seems like trying to over-clarify that this building is not cultural. But I never really heard too much about people getting Theaters confused in the first place.
Nice!
spherejoint
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Made me think of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dürer's_Rhinoceros
Woodblock and printing press are different things but I think this example does make the collusion of exotic animals, early mass media and happiness make a little more sense. Exotic animals from India and Africa were prized gifts to European courts in the early Age of Discovery, where a rhinoceros or lion or giraffe hadn't been seen since Roman times. This is a world in which Western Europe had never even seen a gorilla. Such shockingly new animals caused sensations in the royal courts which spread around the kingdom. The case in point of Durer's rhino is that it was a second-hand account of a gift to the King of Portugal which Durer, in Germany, had never seen. So I think images like Durer's would have caused a lot of wonder in the populace at the time, giving way to happiness bonuses from zoos in a computer game 500 years later.
Best I can think of.
Woodblock and printing press are different things but I think this example does make the collusion of exotic animals, early mass media and happiness make a little more sense. Exotic animals from India and Africa were prized gifts to European courts in the early Age of Discovery, where a rhinoceros or lion or giraffe hadn't been seen since Roman times. This is a world in which Western Europe had never even seen a gorilla. Such shockingly new animals caused sensations in the royal courts which spread around the kingdom. The case in point of Durer's rhino is that it was a second-hand account of a gift to the King of Portugal which Durer, in Germany, had never seen. So I think images like Durer's would have caused a lot of wonder in the populace at the time, giving way to happiness bonuses from zoos in a computer game 500 years later.
Best I can think of.
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Printing press is needed now a days also for printing advertisments and tickets of the zoo but most probably for the promotion you have to link it properly so its ok
isau
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Well for one thing, its unrealistic that a city the size of New York or London would only have 1 Library, 1 Market, and so on. The buildings have always been abstractions. A size 30 city without a Market is more or less physically impossible. The buildings either represent one very good, useful building, or perhaps development plans for the city that all of the markets utilize.
As for zoos specifically, they don't have anything in common with the printing press, but they actually are a relatively modern thing, if we're talking about public zoos rather than "royal menageries." The word "zoo" itself wasn't coined until 1847 (previously "zoological garden" from around 1828.) There were some isolated zoo-like things open to the public prior to that, but they were limited in scope, not something every mid-size city in an empire would potentially have.
As for zoos specifically, they don't have anything in common with the printing press, but they actually are a relatively modern thing, if we're talking about public zoos rather than "royal menageries." The word "zoo" itself wasn't coined until 1847 (previously "zoological garden" from around 1828.) There were some isolated zoo-like things open to the public prior to that, but they were limited in scope, not something every mid-size city in an empire would potentially have.
Wodan
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I've always wanted a much more open tech tree. Civ is all about what "could have happened," that is, alternate history.
So why, oh why, is the tech tree mandated to how it happened in real life?
It'd be nice if Civ6 was more open. Some techs truly are enabler techs for another, which is what OP is looking for with the Zoos/Printing Press question. But there's really no reason why things couldn't have happened differently.
It'd sure be nice to be able to have a civ that went down different paths... e.g., invent hydraulics a little earlier and you get into steampunk areas.
Abraxis
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ignoring the fact that game-play balance comes before literal representation...
The game does not show absolutely everything in your civilization. Think of everything you actually see as just the major events. Your culture writes millions of books, for example, but you only see those special few that are considered great. Battles that occur, there may be skirmishes all over your borders all the time for minor objectives, but only your major forces are represented.
The same can apply to your theaters and zoos. Perhaps they'd always existed, but it wasn't until printing press that marketing allowed them to achieve widespread acclaim enough for the happiness to have a "great" impact on your people, enough for it to be considered worthy of representation.
The game does not show absolutely everything in your civilization. Think of everything you actually see as just the major events. Your culture writes millions of books, for example, but you only see those special few that are considered great. Battles that occur, there may be skirmishes all over your borders all the time for minor objectives, but only your major forces are represented.
The same can apply to your theaters and zoos. Perhaps they'd always existed, but it wasn't until printing press that marketing allowed them to achieve widespread acclaim enough for the happiness to have a "great" impact on your people, enough for it to be considered worthy of representation.
its simple, you need printing presses to print books about how Sun-Tzu beat the crap out of animals and made zoos from them!
(Refer to this video if you have no idea what the flying potato I'm talking about)
http://youtu.be/h42d0WHRSck -(youtube link ain't working for me :c)
(Refer to this video if you have no idea what the flying potato I'm talking about)
http://youtu.be/h42d0WHRSck -(youtube link ain't working for me :c)
Doktor Vic Tim
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These printing presses are special.
They print animals.
They print animals.
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