SK138
Warlord
I rarely win sea battles with a Privateer, even against galleys. Do you think the Privateer's attack should be higher to make it a little more useful?
Privateer's Attack
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YES! I made Privateers more powerful in my game. I increased they're attack and they're speed. It's a lot more fun that way, and it actually makes it seem like the age of sail really happens in your games. Of course, if you increase the Privateer's values, it would be wise to increase other values as well for other sea units. Use common sense.
SK138
Warlord
If you increase other units abilities, too, wouldn't that still make the Privateer weak compared to the others?
Clown2TheLeft
Prince
I'd bump it up slightly and give it a bombard capability...
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TrailblazingScot
I was kittenOFchaos
Really what Privateers need is...
THE BLITZ ABILITY TICKED?
Why? At present they engage and even if they win they will in all likelihood be clobbered. Better and more realistic if they attack and win that they can quickly vacate the scene of their crime rather than face counter-attack by stronger vessels.
The trouble with giving them an attack higher than 2 is then they are then the best ship on the water and that would be detrimental to the game in my opinion.
THE BLITZ ABILITY TICKED?
Why? At present they engage and even if they win they will in all likelihood be clobbered. Better and more realistic if they attack and win that they can quickly vacate the scene of their crime rather than face counter-attack by stronger vessels.
The trouble with giving them an attack higher than 2 is then they are then the best ship on the water and that would be detrimental to the game in my opinion.
lord42
Prince
They need more power but also should be the barbarians ship.
That way you never could be sure of what was attacking you.
As it is you can sometimes reason out the source.
Bombard would also be helpful.....
That way you never could be sure of what was attacking you.
As it is you can sometimes reason out the source.
Bombard would also be helpful.....
DiamondzAndGunz
Lurking
Well, if you make it a barbarian ship, it will always be a 2 hp conscript. An since no one can build conscript ships, you will always know that those conscripts are barbarian.
JonathanValjean
Porschephile
I voted yes, for it would be nice to have a more effective anonymous unit.
hbdragon88
haunted by blackness
I think that the privateer doesn't have a good function this game. They were used heavily in the War of 1812 where the Americans captured hundreds of merchant ships. But there rae no merchant ships here - just military and transport sea units.
It'd be nice to raise the values, but how much is too much?
It'd be nice to raise the values, but how much is too much?
farting bob
ThEy MaDe Me Do iT.
they should be kept as normal.
becase ofthere stealth ability, put 5 or 6 in a stack and attack pople you will find them very strong.
i occiasionally use them even in modern times.
i'll line my coast with them so so ships can get within bombardment range, and even in war, they will not attack my privateers. ill also have a few goin around, picking of transports and weakening other ships etc.
use them in numbers and they are great for defending as well assneak attacking.
becase ofthere stealth ability, put 5 or 6 in a stack and attack pople you will find them very strong.
i occiasionally use them even in modern times.
i'll line my coast with them so so ships can get within bombardment range, and even in war, they will not attack my privateers. ill also have a few goin around, picking of transports and weakening other ships etc.
use them in numbers and they are great for defending as well assneak attacking.
Strider
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I voted yes, but I think thee privateer would be much better "evolving" when you get to each age.... Or just another boat you can upgrade it to.... It will still be the most weakest boat tough, but it'll make it slightly more useful during the modern age's.
Yes, they should be more powerful, and with the blitz ability. The main purpose of these was to disrupt the ships from enemies. It can't do that if it gets clobbered, and if it retreats and does some damage, another privateer can finish it off. Right now, they're not scary at all.
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
I think if you gave it a weak bombard ability, that would be enough. If you raise it up to a 3 attack, you're going to offset the balance too much and make them the dominant ship of the time, when in reality IIRC they were not.....not saying that it wouldn't make for an interesting game
TrailblazingScot
I was kittenOFchaos
You can decrease the default number of hitpoints for a unit with the PTW editor. You could give the privateer bombard and attack 3 (and blitz 
) but make it default build with only 2 hit points.
) but make it default build with only 2 hit points.warpstorm
Yumbo? Yumbo!
Or you could do like I tried in a mod, make them zero upkeep (this only works in PTW). The AI will build them like crazy.
Yes! Definitely. Privateers should have an attack value of 3, but no bombardment value tough - I know that in order to be more historiclly correct, they should have a bombardment value, but still - think about it: you have a far-away colony, poorly guarded - and some privateer comes and bombard it. It wouldn't be fair at all. If at all, then the privateer should have a bombardemnt value of 1 or 2, but then it would be rather useless, don't you think?
Another comment: maybe, though it will totally change the game rules (and probably not for good) the privateers should have a capacity value of 1, so you can engage in marine suprise attacks? Would be funny, don't you think?
Another comment: maybe, though it will totally change the game rules (and probably not for good) the privateers should have a capacity value of 1, so you can engage in marine suprise attacks? Would be funny, don't you think?
lord42
Prince
I was thinking along simmilar lines..
Perhaps add a pirate unit that only they can carry that is amphibious but only has the same affect as barbs.
Ex: they steal gold, ruin production, kill people.
Perhaps give them an attack of 3?
Also barbs would need to have these to implement it well...
Perhaps add a pirate unit that only they can carry that is amphibious but only has the same affect as barbs.
Ex: they steal gold, ruin production, kill people.
Perhaps give them an attack of 3?
Also barbs would need to have these to implement it well...
holy king
Deity
it would definitely be too powerful at the time it becomes available, but there should be a stronger upgrade later in the game, that has a chance to win against mech. inf.
Bismarck
The Iron Chancellor
Historically, privateers were fast and maneuverable, designed to engage merchant shipping, not ships of the line.
A good frigate would have annihilated the average 'teer. So, I don't think privateers should be made stronger than (or even as strong as) frigates in Civ3.
The trouble with privateers is that they're incompatible with the Civ3 model of trade. If Civ3 required the actual moving around of naval trade units, than a medium-strong privateer unit capable of destroying unescorted merchantsmen would make perfect sense.
But with the abstract model of trade in Civ3, privateers are kind of pointless.
A good frigate would have annihilated the average 'teer. So, I don't think privateers should be made stronger than (or even as strong as) frigates in Civ3.
The trouble with privateers is that they're incompatible with the Civ3 model of trade. If Civ3 required the actual moving around of naval trade units, than a medium-strong privateer unit capable of destroying unescorted merchantsmen would make perfect sense.
But with the abstract model of trade in Civ3, privateers are kind of pointless.
