Pyramids built by the blacks in Africa!

polymath said:
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The ridicules Bird and leg does not even fit together on that Abydos tablet, it out figures the proportion of the helicopter and don't get me started on the Propellers. The helicopter looks like a helicopter. Period. :rotfl:
 
No, the helicopter is the result of erosion and trying to recarve different inscriptions. You'd be surprised how many "plane" glyphs are found in other places in Egypt.:p

Also, even if they weren't carved by Egyptians, where is the proof they were carved by hyperadvanced blacks?:p
 
Umm, it's just a smiley. And used frequently as a kind of "so there!" type thing within these forums. No offense.

But anyways, how do you know they're carved by hyperadvanced blacks?
 
HamaticBabylon said:
Don't stick your tongue at me, it's rather rude.
Given some of the things you've called me on this very forum, you should be happy I've not sent my furniture-eating goons at you.
 
Yeah wait a minnit, HB. You should have thought about that when you called us all "Imperial Bastards".

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
 
Hamatic, it's just a wacky coincidence. Honestly, you have to take the stuff you are told or read about with a strong dose of scepticism. The closer the claims are examined, the less they hold water.
One solid fact is that water levels around the world have risen drastically since the last Ice Age. If you are looking for an ancient civ, the best place to look is probably anywhere up to 200 miles off the west coast of India.

Trust me, I've looked into it.
 
There's quite a few sunken cities. I'm not sure where they are, but think they are around N.Africa and they are possibly the result of rising sea levels.

Never the less, the people living there would not have been lost - they would have moved. There are plenty of abandoned Roman cities on dry land in N.Africa aswell and I don't know why that is.

Why would any peoples (not sp. Africans) abandon cities and return to nomadic life? :confused:
 
"Never the less, the people living there would not have been lost - they would have moved" - Stormbind

Mostly, but not always. The flooding was catastrophic after the last Ice Age...water levels have risen around 150 metres in the last 15,000 years. Anyways...
 
There's quite a few sunken cities. I'm not sure where they are, but think they are around N.Africa and they are possibly the result of rising sea levels.
Drowned Indian city could be world's oldest

16:03 18 January 02

Evidence of an ancient "lost river civilisation" has been uncovered off the west coast of India, the country's minister for science and technology has announced. Local archaeologists claim the find could push back currently accepted dates of the emergence of the world's first cities.

Underwater archaeologists at the National Institute of Ocean Technology first detected signs of an ancient submerged settlement in the Gulf of Cambay, off Gujarat, in May 2001. They have now conducted further acoustic imaging surveys and have carbon dated one of the finds.

The acoustic imaging has identified a nine-kilometre-long stretch of what was once a river but is now 40 metres beneath the sea. The site is surrounded by evidence of extensive human settlement. Carved wood, pottery, beads, broken pieces of sculpture and human teeth have been retrieved from along the river banks, according to a report in the Indian Express newspaper. Carbon dating of one of the wooden samples has dated the site to around 7500 BC.

"The carbon dating of 7500 BC obtained for the wooden piece recovered from the site changes the earlier held view that the first cities appeared in the Sumer Valley [in Mesopotamia] around 3000 BC," said B Sasisekaran of India's National Science Academy.

Tom Higham of Oxford University's Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit says submerged wood is often well-preserved and should be relatively straightforward to carbon date. "I don't see how you could get it grossly wrong," he says. "In the past, it has been said that you shouldn't pin all your interpretations on a date from one sample. But that's not so true these days. And dating a sample that's between 5000 and 10,000 years old is pretty easy."

Critical examination

If confirmed, the find would also push back the date of India's earliest known civilisation by 5000 years. The Harappan civilisation has been dated to about 2500 BC. The newly identified site "looks like a Harappan-type civilisation but dating way back to 7500 BC," said minister Murli Manohar Joshi.

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'Lost city' found beneath Cuban waters

A team of explorers working off the western coast of Cuba say they have discovered what they think are the ruins of a submerged city built thousands of years ago.
Researchers from a Canadian company used sophisticated sonar equipment to find and film stone structures more than 2,000 feet (650 metres) below the sea's surface.

They say they still do not understand the exact nature of their discovery, and plan to start a thorough analysis of the site - off the tip of the Guanahacabibes Peninsula - in January.

Advanced Digital Communications is one of four firms working in a joint venture with President Fidel Castro's government to explore Cuban waters, which hold hundreds of treasure-laden ships from the Spanish colonial era.

Robot scanner

The explorers first spotted the underwater city last year, when scanning equipment started to produce images of symmetrically organized stone structures reminiscent of an urban development.

In July, the researchers returned to the site with an explorative robot device capable of highly advanced underwater filming work.

The images the robot brought back confirmed the presence of huge, smooth blocks with the appearance of cut granite.

Some of the blocks were built in pyramid shapes, others were circular, researchers said.

They believe these formations could have been built more than 6,000 years ago, a date which precedes the great pyramids of Egypt by 1,500 years.

"It's a really wonderful structure which really looks like it could have been a large urban centre," ADC explorer Paulina Zelitsky told the Reuters news agency.

"However, it would be totally irresponsible to say what it was before we have evidence."
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991808
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1697038.stm

Im sure there are many other underwater sites all over the world that we either havent discovered, or havent recognized them for what they are yet.

Theres also the Bimini Wall and a site off the coast of the Japan that appears to be the ruins of a large temple.
 
Birdjaguar said:
So now you imply a nuclear explosion!! Your A bomb destroyed the tools and all other signs of the builder's civ...

It isn't the only point in history where evidence suggests such a scenario. As far as a high powered nuclear explosion - no, but an explosion nonetheless. Many other aspects can be attributed to the destruction of such tools. One should take all in with skeptism - but also an open mind.


DP:

I just saw a show on the History Channel that estimates 1300 or more known locations of sunken cities throughout the world. I only wish the technology for deep sea exploration was better - it would be quite amazing to see these lost cities, sunken ships, planes, even oceanic life, not to mention the undiscovered. Obviously current funding for such exploration is limited, but it seems that every major project reveals more advanced technology then we thought such societies to use, or other bizarre structural builds, tools, statues, etc.
 
@Sourboy: I can't be any less skeptical with seeing some evidence, which you have yet to produce. So far we haven't even seen the name of a book or an author to back up any of your claims.

I am very open to the likelihood of cites innundated by the rising seas. I accept the notion of a Black Sea flood about 7500 BC that forced migration out of that area into mesopotamia (and elsewhere). I have yet to see any evidence, though that would shift the discovery of agriculture or the rise of cities earlier on the timeline.

Any pre Sumerian culture in Egypt that was more advance would have had to developed agriculture and cities prior to such a discovery in mesopotamia and advanced at a substantially faster rate without the technology or cultural changes disfusing to neighbors. Not a very likely scenario given human nature. Within the current "history" there is a fairly uniform development among neighboring civs that makes sense.
 
1300 flooded cities dating back to 7500BC. All over the world.

Nope, no evidence of a global flood... :rolleyes:
 
FearlessLeader2 said:
1300 flooded cities dating back to 7500BC. All over the world.
Nope, no evidence of a global flood... :rolleyes:

Post your list of cities (sites or places) or information source or archaeological data. 1300 is a lot. Why don't you start with the top 25 with the most information.
 
birdjaguar (and other skeptics):
Tuesday I will provide sources. I know I have not provided them quickly, but between life, job searching, final beta-testing of my Civ3 scenario, and some sources being borrowed out - I just plain haven't had time. I'll get you some resources tomorrow afternoon when I know I'll have some time & you can form your own opinion...or refine, as you have assumed otherwise at this point.

I feel like it's some hundred years back and I'm saying the world is round, but the norm is that it's flat - and I'm taking unnecessary flak for it. Of course, then I shouldn't have to spoon feed you the fact that most history books are inaccurate, misleading, or biased - but then, you have the right to your own opinion.
 
Dumb pothead said:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991808
I'm sure there are many other underwater sites all over the world that we either havent discovered, or havent recognized them for what they are yet.

In further checking of the site about the submerged city off india I found several interesting sites about two lost cities: one off Poompuhar and the other at Mahabalipuram.

Location #1 Poompuhar, from Graham Hancocks website:
"In March of 1991, marine archaeologists from India’s National Institute of Oceanography discovered a massive structure 75 ft deep in the Bay of Bengal, a few kilometers off the coast of Poompuhar in south-east India. South India is an area rich in flood traditions, which tell of an ancient civilization of great learning that was lost to the waves many thousands of years ago."

His later post about the same lost city:
"Though I know there is nothing conclusive here, it was the overwhelming opinion of both myself and the other divers who we involved first hand that the anomaly was man-made. However to date the ‘smoking gun’ piece of evidence has yet to be found which could definitively state it one way or another."

The anomaly he is talking about is a large "U" shaped mound 4 to feet high on a generally flat seabed. The artifacts he found are debunked here:

http://www.intersurf.com/~chalcedony/geofact.shtml

Local 2: Another sunken city at Mahabalipuram. Read the long post at:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/features/maat_methods-p5.htm

and you will see that Hancock took a known temple site from historical India that sank in shallow water within the last few generations and pretended it was 6000 years old and fulfilled ancient Indian mythology.

Crap!!! You've got to do better than that.
 
Great news Sourboy! Thanks for the update. I will not judge your sources until I have studied what ever you post or link to.
 
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