Pyramids can be built only on desert tiles

[Dark_Jedi06]

But the city they're built in in the screenshot doesn't have any floodplains. In fact, it only has one single desert tile (which is quite odd). My best guess is that it adds a good yield to the tile it's built on instead of boosting the yields of all tiles of a certain kind.

Bear in mind that these screenshots are always heavily staged to show us certain aspects of the game and aren't necessarily meant to be taken at face value.

 

[isau]

This doesn't sound different to me than having to search for specific resources early if you want them (horses, iron, etc). If you're a wondermonger, place your cities where they make sense for what you need.

 

[sherbz]

I dont really understand this post. You have to have a costal city if you wanted to build the great light house, the colossus, or any other naval wonder. I dont really see how this is that much different on land (desert for petra, mountain for machu pichu). And it also fleshes out the resources for wonder production thing. Whats the beef?

 

[meatpardle]

Makes sense to me. Anything that drives diversity based on civilization choices and terrain locations is a good thing.

 

[meatpardle]

Bear in mind that these screenshots are always heavily staged to show us certain aspects of the game and aren't necessarily meant to be taken at face value.

Absolutely, they'll be created to show a variety of things in a single screenshot, and as such that may never be possible in the finished version.

 

[Hail]

Excuse me but petra worked the same way in civ v, how is that new ? If pyramids are the new petra aka they give desert tiles special yields, would it make sense to build them in grass plain area ? Dont think so.

You dont know the effect of those wonders..Jumping the gun a bit hey ?

where is Petra on the tech tree and where is the Pyramids?

this. it seems to add both to the eXpand and eXplore side. Want a specific wonder? you have to go find the right places and take it. Really want that wonder, but you need the district? make a choice!

in the context of early (early as in position on the tech tree) wonders it will add nothing. almost always these wonders will be build by the capital that satisfies the tile requirements due to the generosity of the map generator.
there is another issue that some terrain types are better (based on yields) than others. all else being equal, spending one grassland tile among many, on Stonehenge is preferable to spending one desert tile among many, on Pyramids.

early wonders should be requirement-free. classical wonders and beyond may have tile requirements.

Stonehenge is near southern Wales by Civ standards, especially if you're judging by a typical Civ 5 continents scale map.


And if all else fails, eXterminate, of course!

if all else fails, moders should fix the game.

 

[Krajzen]

if all else fails, moders should fix the game.

Modders should never 'fix' the game, they should expand and enrich it Fixing the game and making it not terrible is the responsibility of devs and no game should be defended by the argument 'mods can fix it'. If anything, it should be last resort desperate consolation 'the base game has huge flaws, ehhh at least modders will probably fix it'.

Anyway,

the responses in this thread actually convinced me, partially at least, that wonder restrictions may not be bad thing. Or even if I disliked it, that other people would enjoy such limitation, so I shouldn't use the argument of 'common good'.

 

[BttLsht]

Terrain requirements for all wonders are a welcome change in my book as it allows for more balance, but the real problem will always be that certain wonders would be inherently stronger than other thus making spawn bias again something way too important than it should be.

 

[dexters]

Terrain requirements for all wonders are a welcome change in my book as it allows for more balance, but the real problem will always be that certain wonders would be inherently stronger than other thus making spawn bias again something way too important than it should be.

what if... multiple wonders give the same or approximate version of a buff?

Can't build the pyramid? no problem, Mausoleum of Halicarnassus gives an approximate buff.

Design wise, it would be easier to balance 4-5 major types of wonder buffs per era, although actual buildable wonders could easily be double or triple that

 

[BttLsht]

No no no

What you just described is pretty much the opposite of what wonders are supposed to be, they should be completely unique and separate from each other allowing for niche playstyles.
they shouldn't give you an improvement in every department but should make some playstyles more viable with them.

 

[Zaarin]

As someone who fanatically builds wonders, this is going to have a huge effect on my playstyle and I look forward to adapting to the challenge. Building wonders will become an increasingly tactical decision, as each city can only support a certain number of them, wonders take away tiles needed for other purposes, and wonders have restrictions where they can be built. Despite my fondness of building every wonder I can get my hands on in my capital, I rather like how this will more realistically distribute wonders.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

As someone who fanatically builds wonders, this is going to have a huge effect on my playstyle and I look forward to adapting to the challenge. Building wonders will become an increasingly tactical decision, as each city can only support a certain number of them, wonders take away tiles needed for other purposes, and wonders have restrictions where they can be built. Despite my fondness of building every wonder I can get my hands on in my capital, I rather like how this will more realistically distribute wonders.

Yup, same boat here, I'm curious to see how this changes my gameplay.

Now if only it was closer to release

 

[dexters]

Alternatively, they will go down the path of what they've been doing in BNW, which is to lock wonders behind playstyles.

So Civ6's equivalent of Civis/social policies/governments could very well allow you to allot certain districts that would make it possible to build a wonder of a certain type .

The pyramid on sand thing is a bit of a red herring IMHO. A whole lot of wonders will be more dependent on districting than on just terrain type

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Alternatively, they will go down the path of what they've been doing in BNW, which is to lock wonders behind playstyles.

So Civ6's equivalent of Civis/social policies/governments could very well allow you to allot certain districts that would make it possible to build a wonder of a certain type .

The pyramid on sand thing is a bit of a red herring IMHO. A whole lot of wonders will be more dependent on districting than on just terrain type

I think that the wonders need more restirctions so that you can't plop say the Statue of Zeus on a your only Snow tile and still benefit from all the other areas around your city.

I think it's a balance thing that could make more opportunity cost, "you want Artemis and the extra food? but you gotta sacrifice a hill for it!" kind of thing (ToA bonus a reference to Civ 5 btw)

 

[dexters]

I think that the wonders need more restirctions so that you can't plop say the Statue of Zeus on a your only Snow tile and still benefit from all the other areas around your city.

I think it's a balance thing that could make more opportunity cost, "you want Artemis and the extra food? but you gotta sacrifice a hill for it!" kind of thing (ToA bonus a reference to Civ 5 btw)

I think the district spanning wonders is already the opportunity cost.

I'm talking more generally about the complaint upthread at Pyramids only on desert is too restrictive and responding generally about how wonders might operate.

Ed Beach and his team has been moving away from Wonders as the be all buildings and toning down their power a bit, while also spreading the wealth by locking some wonders behind certain policies/strategies/geography, so it's really a continuation of that.

 

[AlphaShard]

They did not say that Stonehenge needed to be on grassland, they said it had to be built near stone. Not to mention in Civ IV there was a resource bonus to building it faster if you had said stone.

 

[Trappisto]

I think they want early and mid game civs to be somewhat a product of their environment and actions. I think this is kinda cool, but the effect should certainly diminish from mid game onwards.

 

[Karmah]

What about one use wonders, or free units and nothing much else.

Stonehendge gives what 5 faith, I'd rather 4 food to 5 faith most of the time (ignoring the culture) after religion was founded.

Except stonehenge has a early 1 engeener point which usually turns into an engineer early renaissance , late middle age. My point being , its a strategical choice to get a religion and another wonder like sixtine or forbidden palace.

 

[unpossible251]

Theres a lot of criticism floating around, but i'm quite excited.

The restrictions? Hopefully not too restrictive, and still leave most every civ start winnable or playable. Lots of jungle give angkor watt a bonus, while desert civ takes pyramids. Whoever got copper and the coast takes the colossus, while statue of zeus next to iron inland. Not sure how it will work, but im excited

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

You will have to adept more to the terrain. If you start near tundra it is not likely that you will build the pyramids for example.