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Since when were Oceania and Australia conterminous?

I've been avoiding NZ as "England" since the UHV clearly says "Australia". And not Oceania, or Australasia, or anything similar. Christchurch isn't a bad site what with two sea resources. Likewise never considered the Falklands, since the Faklands are not part of "South America" any more than the isle of White is part of Great Britain, and yet Rhye says you can get 3 South America cities by including one in the Falklands. Bizarre.
The definitions of the UHVs are alas very poor.

And why should the English be limited to the Falklands and the Suriname region anyway, given attempts at founding places elsewhere, such as Chile and Argentina? I have been generally ignoring the "historical" placement considerations when playing as England, since I suspect they are not very accurate due to comments like this, but no doubt the game penalizes me for this. I have no problems with UHVs guiding your colony placement, but I do have problesm with the game's engine saying your should preferably found colonies here and not there.

Cheers, Luke
 
Hey first post, love your mod.

Just one small problem I encounter, sorry if it's been asked before couldn't find an answer. When your given the option to choose a recently spawned civ and you choose to whenever all active units have used their turns the end turn button is automatically pressed. I can't manage much without it going to the next turn and it's really frustrating.

Any help appreciated.
 
donovan515 said:
Hey first post, love your mod.

Just one small problem I encounter, sorry if it's been asked before couldn't find an answer. When your given the option to choose a recently spawned civ and you choose to whenever all active units have used their turns the end turn button is automatically pressed. I can't manage much without it going to the next turn and it's really frustrating.

Any help appreciated.
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Try saving and then reloading the game.
 
Likewise never considered the Falklands, since the Faklands are not part of "South America" any more than the isle of White is part of Great Britain
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Oh? What continent would you classify the Falklands as then?
 
Clearly the Falkands are not part of any continent.

May I suggest you take a good long look at the word "continent" and try and define what it means. I'm pretty sure something under 15000 square kilometers won't fit any definition you care to come up with.

Cheers, Luke
 
Luke you are not really making sense...what continent is England on then? We are part of Europe even though we have no straight connection, so is Iceland, Falklands is part of the South American Continent...

The Earth's land masses are divided into 7 large landmasses called continents. The Earth's current continets are: Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, and South America.
www.enchantedlearning.com/explorers/glossary.shtml

There are thousands of small islands...
 
donovan515 said:
Hey first post, love your mod.

Just one small problem I encounter, sorry if it's been asked before couldn't find an answer. When your given the option to choose a recently spawned civ and you choose to whenever all active units have used their turns the end turn button is automatically pressed. I can't manage much without it going to the next turn and it's really frustrating.

Any help appreciated.
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I know EXACTLY what you mean. Gabriele has yet to find many of us with the same problem. In game, open the options menu, then go to the Other Tab. Look for the "Do Not End Turn Automatically" button. There's a great chance that the button is already selected. Just unselect, then reselect. It may seem too easy to be true, but it worked for me.

BTW, are you having trouble reloading the game after a dynamic switch (No body else is helping me) Best of luck!
 
LukeUeda-Sarson said:
Clearly the Falkands are not part of any continent.

May I suggest you take a good long look at the word "continent" and try and define what it means. I'm pretty sure something under 15000 square kilometers won't fit any definition you care to come up with.

Cheers, Luke
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I think clearly you're talking utter crap. There are numerous conventions on what constitutes a continent but none of them place all islands in some continental limbo. The Falklands are on the same continental shelf as the South American mainland, if the sea level were lower you'd be able to walk between them. And the term Australia is usually used interchangeably with Oceania and Australasia.
 
"Crap" eh? If we want to start talking continental shelves, then "clearly" South America and North America are the SAME continent... But since the game says they are different, the game isn't talking the continetal shelf model. And clearly is isn't referring to continental plates.

As for "Australia is usually used interchangeably with Oceania and Australiasia" , well only Northern hemisphere dweller could say that... unless you means it's true in the "most people think so, because they are ignorant", that's hardly a great endorsement, it is? I don't think you will find too many Kiwis that will be impressed by this statement for instance.

As for what continent is "England" is on then - none. That's why people in England routinely refer to "going over to the continent". The meaning of "continent" after all is primarily "mainland". Yes, the UK is part of the European Union - but so is Tahiti.

As for the enchanted learning refrence, that really is pretty rubbish - I suggest you look at the much better one on, dare I say it, but wikipedia. It has a very full deiscussion about the various definitions and meanings of continent.

Cheers, Luke
 
Can't you read...? That link clearly support what we're saying!

The ideal criterion that each continent be a discrete landmass is commonly disregarded in favor of more arbitrary, historical conventions. Of the seven most commonly recognized continents, only Antarctica and Australia are separated from other continents.

Several continents are defined not as absolutely distinct bodies but as "more or less discrete masses of land".[9] Asia and Africa are joined by the Isthmus of Suez, and North and South America by the Isthmus of Panama. Both these isthmuses are very narrow in comparison with the bulk of the landmasses they join, and both are transected by artificial canals (the Suez Canal and Panama Canal, respectively) which effectively separate these landmasses.

"Crap" eh? If we want to start talking continental shelves, then "clearly" South America and North America are the SAME continent... But since the game says they are different, the game isn't talking the continetal shelf model. And clearly is isn't referring to continental plates.
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You miss my point, its not that every continental shelf has its own continent, it's that the Falklands is linked to South America by the fact they're on the same continental shelf, as if the fact that that's the largest landmass its physically closest to isn't enough. I thing the think you're having trouble with is there is no absolute, scientific definition of continent. Like the Wikipedia article says, the actual definitions are somewhat arbitrary. But otherwise they would be useless.

As for "Australia is usually used interchangeably with Oceania and Australiasia" , well only Northern hemisphere dweller could say that... unless you means it's true in the "most people think so, because they are ignorant", that's hardly a great endorsement, it is? I don't think you will find too many Kiwis that will be impressed by this statement for instance.
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Well, those kiwis are over-reacting. All three of those terms were given to the "southern continent" by English explorers in the last 150 years. It's not like there's misuse of an indigenous term, when Australia was discovered it was assumed to be one continent and called Australia. Over time large nearby islands like NZ or Tasmania were discovered and named, the mainland was never renamed.

As for what continent is "England" is on then - none. That's why people in England routinely refer to "going over to the continent". The meaning of "continent" after all is primarily "mainland". Yes, the UK is part of the European Union - but so is Tahiti.
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That's ridiculous. I'm English, of course I live in Europe. The "continent" is a colloquialism for "mainland", it doesn't reflect some innately better understanding of what a continent is shared by the entire British populace...
 
Luke you really are not making sense. If you are to be believed, then Africa/Europe/Asia are in fact a single continent...divides were made for a reason in the past!
 
I know its not realy related to RFC but can I use the map for a scenario I want to make?
 
You'd have to incorporate that part of the python I guess? And art...
 
"I thing the think you're having trouble with is there is no absolute, scientific definition of continent. Like the Wikipedia article says, the actual definitions are somewhat arbitrary. But otherwise they would be useless"

Of course I'm having trouble with it - that was the point of my post! The UHVs calls for various continents. Without knowing which of many competing definitions of continent applies, as you concede above exist, then you can't say what the UHV means. AAre you using continent in a geopolitical manner, an historical manner, a physical geographic manner? They all give different answers.

Somebody posted an atlas at: http://www.joeyroe.co.uk/rfc_atlas/
This could be useful - if it was part of the game, but it isn't, and until it or something similar is, the mod is severely flawed in this area. Is it in any case accurate? Does Mecca really count as being part of "Africa" as well as "Asia" for the English UHV? Likewise Brunei is both "Asia" and "Australia"? I suppose the last one at least vaguely makes some sort of game sense in that it would encourage you to emulate the White Raja, but wouldn't Singapore be better choice if any city location in the area was going to do double duty?

Cheers, Luke
 
Somebody made the map without swamps and BTS compatible so that doesn't matter, but can I use it for my scenario?
 
I might add that evcery single stament in the following is false:

"All three of those terms were given to the "southern continent" by English explorers in the last 150 years. It's not like there's misuse of an indigenous term, when Australia was discovered it was assumed to be one continent and called Australia. Over time large nearby islands like NZ or Tasmania were discovered and named, the mainland was never renamed".

Australia as a term for the continent is older than 150 years, not younger, albeit coined by an explorer. Australasia and Oceania are not explorer's terms. When Australia was "discovered" it was not assumed to be a continent, although some time after it was named, it statred to be counted as such (there was a hypothetical content that Australia got it's name from, but Austrlia wasn't that continent). Tasmania and New Zealand were both "discovered" before Australia, not afterwards, and New Zealand, over 2000 kilometers distant, can hardly qualify as "nearby", unless you believe Turkey is "nearby" Great Britain.

You should read a little more beforte pooh-pooing others.

Regards, Luke
 
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